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I've probably got a below average IQ; I can only even gain access to the University of Life by climbing in through the khazi window. But I love politics, and don't see how anyone can not. Think about it: politicians are the only people we can legitimately hate in life. They're at a perfect, schizophrenic nexus point of the modern phenomenon of society being woke and pro-active, and the secret truth that everyone is self-indulgent, only committing good acts on the flimsiest of whims.

Sit back and enjoy the chaos innit.

@ pe7erpark3r
Allah (God) created this world only to worship Him alone because He commanded us to do so in all the heavenly books and because He deserves to worship as well. This is my vision for life. We are created for a specific goal and we must strive to reach it which is the satisfaction of our Creator.

Happy New Year

Maybe one day our planet will turn into a 3D decahedron. 😐

@sarah_the_magpie said in Why I think democracy is the best of all the horrible systems to govern a state...:

now, to be fair, totalitarian governments may be more efficient in pursuing short-term goals, but no one actually wants to live in a dictatorship (or at least i hope so!)

People are tempted to want to live in that. For example someone might realize that the government is completely unaware of a real danger for the country, while the military leaders see it is clearly as night and day. Of course this situation is not just some stupid example, it's actually real, and will be real. So they might be tempted to think, that a country led by those who see what's important is better.

But ofc that's short sighted, for those people will be blind to the next problem. And also, they do not realize, that a dictatorship will be hell, for it does not allow any opposition, not even the one in your own living room...

@pe7erpark3r I am a Catholic, and I do not know of a rational reason not to believe in angels. According to my understanding of the holy book, they exist and they are here to guide us on our path towards God.

For it is written: “ ‘He will command his angels concerning you to guard you carefully; - Luke 4:10

Anyone who claims to be a Christian and yet doesn't believe in the existence of angels must be either confused or an iconoclast.

@Indrid-Cold said in The shroud of Turin:

political standpoints as pro-life lobby

This is the first time, that I've heard the term pro-life lobby. Seems a bit odd to me, for the term lobby usually denotes a group of people who try to further their own interests over other people's interests.

Most pro-lifers however seem to be worried about the innocent children. Maybe I'm missinformed, but I haven't been able to make out a single monetary advantage for them.

The pro-choice lobby on the other hand concists of people who make billions from killing the unborn, even selling body parts for research, and of the people who make billions from selling the pill (pro-choicers are for the pill, while pro-lifers are against it, since it might cause early abortions). And then of course they consist of all the people who want to be able to get rid of a baby that doesn't come at the right moment... Did you know that 80% of all abortions (at least in the west) are done because the baby is just inconvenient right now?

Also since we are talking about souls here already: a soul seems to be able to live on after death, that is without a body. If a soul needs no body, it certainly does not need a functioning brain or a heartbeat. So if a baby has a soul, then certainly from the moment of conception on...

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@AllAboutGay said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:

@Vex-Man Yes, according to Islam, Jesus is not exactly the biological offspring of god and not exactly god. But the bible says that the person who will admit that Jesus is from god will not perish.

The Bible says whoever will believe in Jesus, will not perish/die. For the God has sent Jesus (not Christians) to save this world, not to condemn it. We were talking about the wars between Christians vs Muslims, but not Muslims vs Jesus.

that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. (John 3:15-17 NIV)

Islam agrees that Jesus is from god

Islam rejects-

He is a son of God. (According to Koranic verse 5:116) He was crucified. He was raised from death by holy ghost/God/himself.
Islam only accepts- He was saved by the God

Surah 5 verse 116-
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.

As Islam states only Allah knows what unseen is situated in Jesus’ heart. Thereafter, he is not son of the God. Allah could see the Biblical God if it was situated in Jesus' heart.

and gives high importance to Jesus

The Koran does not give importance to Jesus but rather states he was so common that he slept, ate, felt like humans. Surah 5 verses numbers 69-75 elaborate, “he was just a human being and was tempted by even a Satan once. It describes he was neither a God nor his any type of associate. Christians are believers of an imagination being Messiah who never got divinity.” The whole Christianity is based on the idea of trinity, the gospels' truth and the Koran denies these 2 main concepts. Therefore, Christians are not Muslims or vice-versa.

though it disagrees that Jesus himself is god.

True

So according to the literal bible, a person believing in islam will not perish. So, muslims are technically christians although christians are technically non-muslims.

Not true because the Koran does not consider Jesus as a son of God and it does not believe in Jesus either. So, Muslims are not Christians.

But, i think that people should leave Islam and Christianity and join LGBT❤

It does not affect me because I belong to neither religions. I am a materialist and naturalist.

The Islam and the Christianity are two biggest threats to humanity.

Yes, both Islam and Christianity are homophobic religions.

Absolutely true.

And LGBT=Humanity❤

Humanity consists of 753 crores people not only LGBTQ.

So, you are right.
All humans should join LGBT to achieve universal love❤

#No Comment because I consider LGBTQ is much more better and peaceful than Abrahamic religions

EDIT- I saw your edited post later so I would reply it here.

According to Islam,both Prophet Muhammad and Prophet Jesus are ordinary humans who were sent by god.

Islam agrees on a point that Muhammad got divinity of God but Jesus did never get it. It dislikes and criticizes those people who associate Jesus with Allah/God. (Surah 5 -many verses)

A letter written by Prophet Muhammad:
"In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
From Muhammad the Messenger of Allâh to Negus, king of
Abyssinia (Ethiopia). Peace be upon him who follows true
guidance. Salutations, I entertain Allâh’s praise, there is no god
but He, the Sovereign, the Holy, the Source of peace, the Giver
of peace, the Guardian of faith, the Preserver of safety. I bear
witness that Jesus, the son of Mary, is the spirit of Allâh and
His Word which He cast into Mary, the virgin, the good, the
pure, so that she conceived Jesus. Allâh created him from His
spirit and His breathing as He created Adam by His Hand. I
call you to Allâh Alone with no associate and to His obedience
and to follow me and to believe in that which came to me, for I
am the Messenger of Allâh. I invite you and your men to Allâh,
the Glorious, the All-Mighty. I hereby bear witness that I have
communicated my message and advice. I invite you to listen
and accept my advice. Peace be upon him who follows true
guidance."[Za'd Al-Ma'ad 3/60]

Zad Al-Ma'ad is not written by prophet Muhammad but is written by an Islamic scholar Ibn al-Qayyim who was born after almost all crusade wars. And it was not a letter, it was a book. Btw none Muslim follows him, they rather follow Muhammad (Sunni) or Ali (Shias/Shiites) or Wahab (wahabis) as their true prophets and the book Koran as their doctrine.
Source- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zad_al-Ma'ad

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@pe7erpark3r said in Pet and Vex Man debate WAR:

@Vex-Man said in Pet and Vex Man debate WAR:

Sorry for taking my time to answer, I'm a busy man, just like you. So please forgive...

Plays*
But I say some or a/the few (but not 0) wars are actually caused by the religions or doctrines. I stand for this thesis. Also, I say religious or doctrinal elements are enough for a whole war in my examples.

Duly noted :grin:

Taiping rebellion- Hong got divinity of Jesus and according to him, he was a brother of jesus .He was inspired by 10 commandments of Jesus and somewhat communism too. He went to thistle mountain to conspire against religious traditions of that place. On that moment, he wanted to arrest a lot of leaders of that religious group and wanted to join God worshiping society. He did not only accepted thistle mountain charcoal burner who claimed to channel God but also a farmer who claimed to channel Jesus. Also, he claimed that worshipers will go to heaven during prayers. Then he divided his society into four parts and liked to fight against demons. In 1850, he declared that he will be fought for the heaven and Jesus had urged him to do so. Demons were supposed as Qing dynasty. In 1851, unexpectedly he won but he continued this battle. When he won Yongan, he strictly told his soldiers to follow almost all commandments. Then he occupied Nanjing and he declared to cease warfare. He had Nanjing for 11 years and he left secular matters of governance thereafter. Europeans helped Qing dynasty to seize back and it was not expected by Hong. In 1864, Hong was found to be dead and during Nanzing seizing 30 to 70 million Taipingings were killed. It was an all out war because both sides destroyed farmland, butchered cities & villages, and killed animals. This war was not against only soldiers but also showed merciless to civilians. The Qing killed all the prisoners who were rebelling against him in Guangxi. Both sides exterminated whole population when they occupied a new specific territory.

I think the taping rebellion is a great example for a war that happened because of social injustice. The population that followed Hong Xiuquan were the Hakka. They did follow him, because the Qing dynasty did not allow for any social advancement for the Hakka. They were at the bottom, and society kept them at the bottom.

“I think the taping rebellion is a great example for a war that happened because of social injustice” which was caused by a political ideology ‘Confucianism’. The code of Confucianism stated three social categories in which scholars were put at top, peasant farmers were put in the middle, artisans and merchants were at the end. All Hakkas were belonged to second and third categories.

But I concede, that religious elements played a big role in keeping his followers in line.

True and the real war initialized when Hong protested against ‘Confucianism's beliefs’ on thistle mountain.

According to the general definition of a war is- an armed fighting between two or more countries or groups:https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/war. If police of USA fights against those religious extremist groups, it will be said a limited war. Or if USA fights against a terrorist country such as Iraq after getting permission of Christians, it will be said a limited war too.

I agree with your definition.

But I agree with you that war against terrorism or war between two or more terrorist groups are limited than an all out war is. You have no mercy for your opponent and you do not follow any type of battles’ rules in an all out war. However, you did not choose this thesis ‘no all out war is caused by any doctrine’. Now I think it is your thesis, correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, this is what I meant indeed!

I would talk about an all out war i.e. Vietnam war. The two dangerous ideologies, communism and capitalism fought in the Vietnam war. The main reason between this war was communism threatened to expand to almost all south-east Asia. The Capitalist country USA had a phobia for communism. North Vietnam was leaded by USSR, China and N.Korea. On the other hand, South Vietnam was leaded by USA, S.Korea, Cambodia and by some other nations. 13 to 42 LC people were killed. This war became an all out war when USA released nuclear radar bombs through F-105 and B-52.

The Vietnam war is a Proxy war fought between the US and the USSR.

Vietnam war was not a proxy war. Here is a list of proxy wars- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proxy_wars. Here is the list of total wars (it is all about recent wars) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_war

So yes, certainly 2 groups fought each other. In thase case I wouldn't even say that the US is united by its ideology as much as the USSR. I don't think capitalism is an ideology or doctrine, and I don't think capitalism unites people.

I can cite a Wikipedia article for ‘capitalism is an ideology and doctrine’. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ideologies_of_capitalism.

But communism certainly is. It is a fight for dominion, it is a fight for power...

Doctrine of communism contains conflict for dominion and power between two social major classes. According to communism, social resolution resolution is compulsory for ending this conflict. And communism was an ideology made against capitalism. Capitalism states every person is the owner of his life and each has a right to live according to his own way until it does not violate the right of others. If he violates the right of others thru power, the state can interfere. Since rights can only be violated by initiating force, the government would only use force in retaliation of those who initiated it. Therefore, capitalism definitely unites people too.

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well, obviously taking a shower is the second-best way to refresh :D

@wet-teri said in Pleasure & Happiness:

@pe7erpark3r
I would not have thought my soul weigh anything either although sometimes it feels quite heavy and other times it's light as a feather.

That's good! :joy: I couldn't agree more.

please fact check that for me and let me know what you find it's been at least 10 years since I heard that are read that but please let me know what you come up with

ahhh. if I just had the time :(

So to stop beating around the bush and I guess what everyone is trying to avoid saying here so here you go... Atheists believe that aliens created us and that the gods B. C. We're aliens. Why does no one really talk about this? I was raised an atheist and I am a 43 year old woman and this subject still seems very much about one god... Not anything really about atheism...

@depin said in Do you like death?:

@petrapark3r i started hating it since last time when it came unexpectedly... rest everything was fine till then

Do you mean when someone you loved died unexpectedly? Yeah, I can definitely relate to that. I don't like the death of those I love to be honest. And I am more afraid of their death, than of my own. Well I'm not afraid of my own but you get the idea...

@Anastasia-Smith hahaha..shhhhh!!

@Sabo-go-thud said in Why do you believe what you believe?:

@petrapark3r okay. That makes the morning more interesting! ON ATTENDING Mormon church; I go at least twice a month at minimum. This is due to the church being 5 miles (8 kilometers ) away by bicycle.

I keep my mind sharp by debating with the Elders ( these are the kids 16 and older) who are soon to preach their "book" as they are sent to Africa, South America and such for 3 years. I test their Faith with my logic AND research in Old Testement translation and the Jewish translations.

Very interesting! How do the mormons react? Or do you pretend you're mormon?

Let us end this overly stretched UN meeting. Delegates and council members are expected to go back to their respective caves. Condoms and adoption services will take care of overpopulation issue.

@Indrid-Cold said in Tell me about your dream job...:

@petrapark3r Maybe that injured bird you found has done a mind-swap with you and is sneaking around in your body?

It's indeed possibly. Feels stupidly.

@Sup you should tell everyone what shocked you :smirk: