@AllAboutGay @AllAboutGay said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?: @Vex-Man Yes, according to Islam, Jesus is not exactly the biological offspring of god and not exactly god. But the bible says that the person who will admit that Jesus is from god will not perish. The Bible says whoever will believe in Jesus, will not perish/die. For the God has sent Jesus (not Christians) to save this world, not to condemn it. We were talking about the wars between Christians vs Muslims, but not Muslims vs Jesus. that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. (John 3:15-17 NIV) Islam agrees that Jesus is from god Islam rejects- He is a son of God. (According to Koranic verse 5:116) He was crucified. He was raised from death by holy ghost/God/himself. Islam only accepts- He was saved by the God Surah 5 verse 116- And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. As Islam states only Allah knows what unseen is situated in Jesus’ heart. Thereafter, he is not son of the God. Allah could see the Biblical God if it was situated in Jesus' heart. and gives high importance to Jesus The Koran does not give importance to Jesus but rather states he was so common that he slept, ate, felt like humans. Surah 5 verses numbers 69-75 elaborate, “he was just a human being and was tempted by even a Satan once. It describes he was neither a God nor his any type of associate. Christians are believers of an imagination being Messiah who never got divinity.” The whole Christianity is based on the idea of trinity, the gospels' truth and the Koran denies these 2 main concepts. Therefore, Christians are not Muslims or vice-versa. though it disagrees that Jesus himself is god. True So according to the literal bible, a person believing in islam will not perish. So, muslims are technically christians although christians are technically non-muslims. Not true because the Koran does not consider Jesus as a son of God and it does not believe in Jesus either. So, Muslims are not Christians. But, i think that people should leave Islam and Christianity and join LGBT It does not affect me because I belong to neither religions. I am a materialist and naturalist. The Islam and the Christianity are two biggest threats to humanity. Yes, both Islam and Christianity are homophobic religions. Absolutely true. And LGBT=Humanity Humanity consists of 753 crores people not only LGBTQ. So, you are right. All humans should join LGBT to achieve universal love #No Comment because I consider LGBTQ is much more better and peaceful than Abrahamic religions EDIT- I saw your edited post later so I would reply it here. According to Islam,both Prophet Muhammad and Prophet Jesus are ordinary humans who were sent by god. Islam agrees on a point that Muhammad got divinity of God but Jesus did never get it. It dislikes and criticizes those people who associate Jesus with Allah/God. (Surah 5 -many verses) A letter written by Prophet Muhammad: "In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. From Muhammad the Messenger of Allâh to Negus, king of Abyssinia (Ethiopia). Peace be upon him who follows true guidance. Salutations, I entertain Allâh’s praise, there is no god but He, the Sovereign, the Holy, the Source of peace, the Giver of peace, the Guardian of faith, the Preserver of safety. I bear witness that Jesus, the son of Mary, is the spirit of Allâh and His Word which He cast into Mary, the virgin, the good, the pure, so that she conceived Jesus. Allâh created him from His spirit and His breathing as He created Adam by His Hand. I call you to Allâh Alone with no associate and to His obedience and to follow me and to believe in that which came to me, for I am the Messenger of Allâh. I invite you and your men to Allâh, the Glorious, the All-Mighty. I hereby bear witness that I have communicated my message and advice. I invite you to listen and accept my advice. Peace be upon him who follows true guidance."[Za'd Al-Ma'ad 3/60] Zad Al-Ma'ad is not written by prophet Muhammad but is written by an Islamic scholar Ibn al-Qayyim who was born after almost all crusade wars. And it was not a letter, it was a book. Btw none Muslim follows him, they rather follow Muhammad (Sunni) or Ali (Shias/Shiites) or Wahab (wahabis) as their true prophets and the book Koran as their doctrine. Source- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zad_al-Ma'ad