Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?
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@Sij There is a structural difference. In both Quran and Bible different people are talking about a messenger of God and his actions. But the legends like Odyssey , Iliad are stories. As for Mahabharata and Ramayana, although they have the structure of a legend they are both considered as holy texts in India along with other religions texts. So I don't think books of monotheistic religions were originally supposed to be legends.
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@spaceboy said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:
If hid didn't exist, why we are speaking about him now?
My counter question to you- If Spiderman did not exist, why children or even adults talk about him now ?
And at the same time Jesus is also mentioned not only in Bible.
The Bible is a book of which first edition does not exist anymore. Will you indeed cite that book to me ? None of the messenger i.e. Paul and Peter met with Jesus who supposedly existed on this earth.
For example he was mentioned by roman historian Gaius Cornelius Tacitus and roman-jewish historian Josephus Flavius.
Here is what Josephus wrote-
18.3.3 — “About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man.
For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the
truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when,
upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those
who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored
to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him.
And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.”
20.9.1 — “...brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was
James...”The point should be noted the phrase “was called Christ” is awful and some transcriber inserted it. The later lines which Josephs referred to Jesus was the son of Damneus. That sentences looks like a christian was hoping to prove that Jesus existed. Of course it was a later assertion done by a church historian Eusebius. He referred it in 325 CE. At that time, Emperor Constantine's Council was present. I got to know thru these reasons-
- Inspite of this fact that Josephus' writings were widely read, none Christian or scholar before Eusebius referred to it, especially not the Christian scholar Origen, whose library Mr. Eusebius used
- Oringen wrote that he (josephus) never believed in Christ.
- If the devoutly religious Jew Josephus really thought that Jesus was the Messiah, he would become a christian.
- There was never ever a “tribe of Christians”
- If you did read his texts carefully, you would know his texts were out of the context. There was a paragraph around his texts and it really interrupts his story line. This is how next paragraph begins from, "About the same time also another sad calamity put the Jews into disorder...". It was referred to the previous paragraph in which Pilate along with his soldiers did massacre of Jews in Jerusalem
- Josephus did write about minor-minor people of his time extensively. A single paragraph written on Messiah is impossible.
Tecitus wrote about “christos” (in 117 CE) and christos were being executed by Pilate. He could have used name ‘Jesus’ but not his religious title ‘Christos’. The second point you could note is, the reference of Tacitus’ was never mentioned by Origen, Eusebius, Tertullian in 3rd century. Tertullian was the one who quoted Tacitus’ great deal. I have a strong evidence https://web.archive.org/web/20190723132715/http://www.textexcavation.com/documents/zaratacituschrestianos.pdf which shows the tacitus’ oldest copy was modified to change “Chrestianos” (i.e. "Chrestians" - the followers of Chrestus) to Christianos" (i.e. "Christians" – the followers of Christ). Generally, it was modified or manipulated in 1468 because there was no mention prior to it.
As Peter mentioned, besides the Gospels at the beginning of the first century, there were lot's of apocrypha that were also based on the events that happened to Jesus. (Lately all this books were banned, by the church, but some of them have been saved to the present day. The Nag Hammadi library for example.)
Paul and Peter never referred to Bethlehem, Nazareth, Galilee, Calvary or Golgotha or any other pilgrim. Paul did not write about earthly existence, life and his teachings. The epistles which were the part of paul’s writing, were written after 48 CE. Both did not mention any type of miracle which worked, his trial, his virgin birth, his disciples or the empty tomb
@pe7erpark3r said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:
@Vex-Man is of the opinion, that Jesus was not a historical person.
I hold the position, that Jesus was indeed a historical figure.
I hold the position that Jesus was a fictional character.
So how could one prove or disprove that Jesus did exist?
No need to disprove it. The one who is affirmative claiming, ‘the burden of proof’ implies on him. In this case, you are affirmatively claiming, therefore it implies on you.
The first problem of course is that all that which we are talking about happened 2000 years ago. We have a lot of religious texts, in the bible and also apocryphical ones that talk about Jesus' deeds. Is a religious text enough to prove a person's existence?
The question is, what should we expect to find other than christian texts? Should Jesus not be in some register?
I'll let Vex, or anybody who wants to join in, open the debate :joy:
I have joined already.
Please note I'm a busy man, so the debate will be slow like any other :yum:
I too am busy xD
@AbhiKerala said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:
I believe he existed. But he was probably a normal jew who thought too much about the universe and the society. I'm not christian but I feel he has done many good things even as a human and should be admired as a historical figure.
I said ‘burden of proof’ not 'burden of believe or belief'.
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@Vex-Man seems like u research on it a lot
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@Dubidubiduba33 said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:
@Vex-Man seems like u research on it a lot
True.
@AbhiKerala said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:
@Sij There is a structural difference. In both Quran and Bible different people are talking about a messenger of God and his actions. But the legends like Odyssey , Iliad are stories. As for Mahabharata and Ramayana, although they have the structure of a legend they are both considered as holy texts in India along with other religions texts. So I don't think books of monotheistic religions were originally supposed to be legends.
I agree with you but the life of those characters was still near or same to one-another. Lets take an exmaple of Jesus (from the Bible) and Krishna (from the Mahabharat)-
- Both had a divine father
- Both were dead by violent deaths
- While being infants both were tried to be killed by tyrants.
- Announcement of stars before their birth
- Both had a virgin mother too
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😂y'all searching for Jesus on the internet 😂🤦🤦🤦. When you can just get on your knees (even if you don't at least believe) and ask Him to show himself to you.
YOU WANNA SEE JESUS CHRIST? Well then PRAY and WAIT ON HIM the truth is in every single humans heart but y'all too deaf to hear it.
For those of you who believe, believing is good but it's not enough, get to seek Him. Get to know Him!! The internet is just a confusion device, Jesus Christ is in everyone's heart knowing constantly for you guys to open the door. Me personally I Know Jesus Christ is real, He brought heaven to man, He is God (I Am) made man, Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. God was with man in the flesh! but man was too filthy to recognize Him, too blind and too Deaf! I know God doesn't exist but He IS . God IS (you need to meditate on the Bible (kjv) to be able to make sense out of this)
Y'all looking for prove of Jesus and God is real? Just search your hearts respectively, not google (lol).
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Countless people have killed and died, built societies, loved and hated others over the idea of Jesus Christ. Does that make him real? Maybe more real than if he actually lived and died 2000 years ago
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@Vex-Man I think Mahabharata was written some 1000 years prior to Jesus. And the old kingdoms of Bharata spread as far as modern Afgan. Maybe the stories of JC's divinity is influenced by stories of Krishna. But still I believe JC was real and his story was made divine .
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@Vex-Man said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:
No need to disprove it. The one who is affirmative claiming, ‘the burden of proof’ implies on him. In this case, you are affirmatively claiming, therefore it implies on you.
Lets start like this: you can apply this burdon of proof to history in the same way you could with physical things. I mean yeah, of course we should do our best to check all the references and weigh up carefully the propabilities of things. And I will do so.
But really I think it is insane (edit: I apologize for the insulting choice of word) to say people who cannot be proven to have existed with absolute certainty did not exist. That would mean that 95% of humanity in the past did not exist, and that I have to prove they did before you accept that they do.
So I'll say again what I said before: you cannot expect to find a lot of documents on Jesus, because he was not at all a big political figure. And the documents that existed are lost in 2000 years of history. You simply cannot expect to find much other than religious texts. This is history. History is not science. Sadly :joy:
So consequently, even if you were right, that Jesus was added to Josephus Flavius writings and Tacitus writings, your claim that He did not exist is at best circumstancial.
I would even say that the history that follows after Jesus death allows me to say, you bear the burdon of proof. There is so much literature on him, so many people who follow his teachings, not only in the roman empire, but also in the holy land, which is basically christian after the Jews are driven out by the romans in 70 AD. There is so much reason to assume that Jesus was indeed historical, simply by the impact he had in isreal alone, that you need to find more than just the lack of mentioning him in official roman writers, to say he did not exist.
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@AllAboutGay said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:
@pe7erpark3r If you try to prove Jesus you should at least try to prove gays as well, since gays are by far the most persecuted,disbelieved (and invalidated!) group in the world.
@AllAboutGay is of the opinion, that gays were historical persons.
I hold the position, that gays were indeed historical figures.
So how could one prove or disprove that gays did exist?
The first problem of course is that all that which we are talking about happened 6900 years ago. We have a lot of LGBT texts, in the book of homosexuality and also apocryphical ones that talk about gays' deeds. Is an LGBT text enough to prove a gay's existence?
The question is, what should we expect to find other than LGBT texts? Should gays not be in some register?
I'll let straight people, or anybody who wants to join in, open the debate <3
Please note I'm a gay man, so the debate will be gay like any other 😋
😂😂😂😂😂😂y tho? Why you have to do the bro like this 😂😂?
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@Kaneki-kun said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:
😂y'all searching for Jesus on the internet 😂🤦🤦🤦. When you can just get on your knees (even if you don't at least believe) and ask Him to show himself to you.
YOU WANNA SEE JESUS CHRIST? Well then PRAY and WAIT ON HIM the truth is in every single humans heart but y'all too deaf to hear it.
But the Bible says even Christians do not know how to pray.---- In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. (Romans 8:26)
For those of you who believe, believing is good but it's not enough, get to seek Him. Get to know Him!! The internet is just a confusion device, Jesus Christ is in everyone's heart knowing constantly for you guys to open the door.
You wrote a verse written by Paul. That is nice but Paul himself originally never wrote Jesus’ story in his gospel. The original gospels have been changed according to time for editing and improving the omissions by the transcribers. It was added in the medieval time. Btw Paul himself never met with Jesus -
Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. (Acts 9:8), The Jewish name of Saulus was Paul.Me personally I Know Jesus Christ is real, He brought heaven to man,
But the Bible states nobody has ascended into the heaven - No man hath ascended up to heaven.” Not even Enoch or Elijah? (John 3:13).
He is God (I Am) made man, Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. God was with man in the flesh! but man was too filthy to recognize Him, too blind and too Deaf! I know God doesn't exist but He IS . God IS (you need to meditate on the Bible (kjv) to be able to make sense out of this)
Y'all looking for prove of Jesus and God is real? Just search your hearts respectively, not google (lol).
But the Bible states we should not follow our hearts-
Seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring (Num 15:39)
And Lamentations 3:18 and 3:44 state he doesn’t listen to your prayers until you don't cover out yourself from clouds
Even when I call out or cry for help, he shuts out my prayer. (Lamentations 3:18 NIV)
You have covered yourself with a cloud so that no prayer can get through (Lamentations 3:44 NIV)I followed my heart and found Batman in it. Yes I meditated on Batman’s comic book to make sense out of it. Thank you. Second point- a preposition must be true, if there is no contradiction in it. It is one law of logic.
@pe7erpark3r said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:
@Vex-Man said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:
No need to disprove it. The one who is affirmative claiming, ‘the burden of proof’ implies on him. In this case, you are affirmatively claiming, therefore it implies on you.
Lets start like this: you can apply this burdon of proof to history in the same way you could with physical things. I mean yeah, of course we should do our best to check all the references and weigh up carefully the propabilities of things. And I will do so.
But really I think it is insane
Burden* Probabilities*
Ad-hominem argument. First respect you opponent and then you may debate.to say people who cannot be proven to have existed with absolute certainty did not exist.
I said theistic God (with certain properties) does not exist with absolute certainty (in that debate, not this one). God of philosophy is different from God of religion. However, you have always inserted your christian God into a philosophical God.
That would mean that 95% of humanity in the past did not exist, and that I have to prove they did before you accept that they do.
The main proof can be fossil evidence of him. 95 percent of humans existed- we can date their dead bodies with several scientific methods. We have dated 4 billion years ago paintings and our ancestors’ fossils too. We could date his fossil which existed 2000 years ago. Of course scientists have not found any fossil evidence of him- https://medium.com/predict/the-fossil-argument-for-the-existence-of-a-historical-jesus-11d7cdd4a5e7
So I'll say again what I said before: you cannot expect to find a lot of documents on Jesus, because he was not at all a big political figure.
You never said to me so. Maybe you said to someone else. You are debating with me rn, not with ‘someone else’.
And the documents that existed are lost in 2000 years of history. You simply cannot expect to find much other than religious texts.
There will be no reason to debate on this topic if we do not find anything else than his religious texts.
This is history. History is not science. Sadly :joy:
A straw-man argument. You cannot refute your own claim. I never said history is/was science or vice-versa. An evidence is something which can be provided for supporting one’s assertion in any type of debate.
So consequently, even if you were right, that Jesus was added to Josephus Flavius writings and Tacitus writings, your claim that He did not exist is at best circumstancial.
Circumstantial*
Claim or evidence ? I mentioned the oldest edition of Tacitus' book. You can read the date or year of his book. Mr. Spaceboy or you did not give evidence for original writing of him. Where is it ?
you bear the burdon of proof.
I repeat myself- you started the debate with your assertion, I didn’t. I hold the negative position- Jesus did not historically existed. You cannot shift this burden towards me and it is argument from ignorance. You think your thesis is true because it is not proved to be false (supposedly). Until he is not proved true, it is reasonable to say that he did not exist.
I would even say that the history that follows after Jesus death allows me to say, There is so much literature on him, so many people who follow his teachings, not only in the roman empire,
There are more than 12 Gods who were born on the same day of Jesus. And those birth of all 12 Gods were celebrated by the Romans. Romans followed their teachings too.
but also in the holy land, which is basically christian after the Jews are driven out by the romans in 70 AD. There is so much reason to assume that Jesus was indeed historical, simply by the impact he had in isreal alone,
Israel*
Go back to more past (in 4th to 5th centuries). There were some non-orthodox religions which could not reside with Christianity. The scriptures of those religions (awesome books especially in 4th to 5th century) were not copied or destroyed by the Christians. In the fourth century, under the rule of Constantine, his opponents were compelled by threat of death and prison or by dispossession to fall in line.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190723132715/https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13812that you need to find more than just the lack of mentioning him in official roman writers, to say he did not exist.
Did they even mention originally ? Cite a credible website for your claim ‘original lack of mentioning’.
Unless you don't learn how to respect someone, I cannot debate. Therefore, I leave both debates.
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@Kaneki-kun said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:
😂y'all searching for Jesus on the internet 😂🤦🤦🤦. When you can just get on your knees (even if you don't at least believe) and ask Him to show himself to you.
YOU WANNA SEE JESUS CHRIST? Well then PRAY and WAIT ON HIM the truth is in every single humans heart but y'all too deaf to hear it.
For those of you who believe, believing is good but it's not enough, get to seek Him. Get to know Him!! The internet is just a confusion device, Jesus Christ is in everyone's heart knowing constantly for you guys to open the door. Me personally I Know Jesus Christ is real, He brought heaven to man, He is God (I Am) made man, Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. God was with man in the flesh! but man was too filthy to recognize Him, too blind and too Deaf! I know God doesn't exist but He IS . God IS (you need to meditate on the Bible (kjv) to be able to make sense out of this)
Y'all looking for prove of Jesus and God is real? Just search your hearts respectively, not google (lol).
I've been trying to get this point across to Vex too :grin:
You wouldn't be worrying for lack of Jesus found in some registry, if you had direct experiential contact with Him. You can indeed find Him in your heart, and indeed, as not just the kjv points out, but even many philosophers note that God does not exist: the verb existing is only valid for anything other than God. Instead God is.
And those who approach Him with a humble heart, that is not filled with material things, glamour, fame, skill, money will be able to hear His Voice. For me it happened when I read TLIG. I just recognized His Voice and to this day, I cannot deny that it is indeed His Voice speaking...
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@Vex-Man said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:
But the Bible says even Christians do not know how to pray.---- In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. (Romans 8:26)
Correct, the bible says that the spirit will help you pray.
You wrote a verse written by Paul. That is nice but Paul himself originally never wrote Jesus’ story in his gospel. The original gospels have been changed according to time for editing and improving the omissions by the transcribers. It was added in the medieval time. Btw Paul himself never met with Jesus -
Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. (Acts 9:8), The Jewish name of Saulus was Paul.But Paul met and spoke with those who did.
But the Bible states nobody has ascended into the heaven - No man hath ascended up to heaven.” Not even Enoch or Elijah? (John 3:13).
And the bible states that the heavenly kingdom is among them in Jesus Christ.
But the Bible states we should not follow our hearts-
Seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring (Num 15:39)
And Lamentations 3:18 and 3:44 state he doesn’t listen to your prayers until you don't cover out yourself from clouds
Even when I call out or cry for help, he shuts out my prayer. (Lamentations 3:18 NIV)
You have covered yourself with a cloud so that no prayer can get through (Lamentations 3:44 NIV)I followed my heart and found Batman in it. Yes I meditated on Batman’s comic book to make sense out of it. Thank you. Second point- a preposition must be true, if there is no contradiction in it. It is one law of logic.
You do not believe in batman to be real. You did not find batman in your heart the same way we did find Christ...
Burden* Probabilities*
Ad-hominem argument. First respect you opponent and then you may debate.I am very sorry. You are absolutely right. I should not have said it in this way...
to say people who cannot be proven to have existed with absolute certainty did not exist.
I said theistic God (with certain properties) does not exist with absolute certainty (in that debate, not this one). God of philosophy is different from God of religion. However, you have always inserted your christian God into a philosophical God.
Lets not return to the other discussion please. In this discussion the christians have spoken of the God of religion, and we spoke of Him in the language of religion, for this is how you can find Him.
The main proof can be fossil evidence of him. 95 percent of humans existed- we can date their dead bodies with several scientific methods. We have dated 4 billion years ago paintings and our ancestors’ fossils too. We could date his fossil which existed 2000 years ago. Of course scientists have not found any fossil evidence of him- https://medium.com/predict/the-fossil-argument-for-the-existence-of-a-historical-jesus-11d7cdd4a5e7
This article argues that the people saying "Jesus does not exist" are making a positive claim and thus have the burden of proof. So yeah, good article.
So I'll say again what I said before: you cannot expect to find a lot of documents on Jesus, because he was not at all a big political figure.
You never said to me so. Maybe you said to someone else. You are debating with me rn, not with ‘someone else’.Woops sorry, that was in the topic's draft only. My mistake. I deleted that...
Point holds however: it cannot be expected to find much: Jesus was a relatively unknown figure in the roman empire... even many of the prominant figures in the israel of that time are not mentioned in non-religious texts, and they also existed. Many high priests of israel are not mentioned at all, there names are all lost. And yet they were the most prominent political figures at their times...
And the documents that existed are lost in 2000 years of history. You simply cannot expect to find much other than religious texts.
There will be no reason to debate on this topic if we do not find anything else than his religious texts.
Yes, a religious text is enough for a debate about wether the person existed, but there is a lot more.
This is history. History is not science. Sadly :joy:
A straw-man argument. You cannot refute your own claim. I never said history is/was science or vice-versa. An evidence is something which can be provided for supporting one’s assertion in any type of debate.
Yes, but you will not find proof of many many historical events. Evidence yes. Proof no. And for many many historical events you will find an utter lack of evidence other than religious texts...
So consequently, even if you were right, that Jesus was added to Josephus Flavius writings and Tacitus writings, your claim that He did not exist is at best circumstancial.
Circumstantial*
Wehuuweehuu grammar police :yum:
you bear the burdon of proof.
I repeat myself- you started the debate with your assertion, I didn’t. I hold the negative position- Jesus did not historically existed. You cannot shift this burden towards me and it is argument from ignorance. You think your thesis is true because it is not proved to be false (supposedly). Until he is not proved true, it is reasonable to say that he did not exist.
No, there is enough evidence of him in the religious texts. It is reasonable to think he exists, since quite a few other clearly historical figures wrote religious texts about him. It is not true, that a religious text cannot count as evidence.
However I concede that it is reasonable to say he did not exist after providing good arguments as to why the religious texts are not enough evidence.
I would even say that the history that follows after Jesus death allows me to say, There is so much literature on him, so many people who follow his teachings, not only in the roman empire,
There are more than 12 Gods who were born on the same day of Jesus. And those birth of all 12 Gods were celebrated by the Romans. Romans followed their teachings too.
Yeah, they follow somebody's teachings about those Gods, which tend to be hundreds of years old. They did not follow a person's teaching, who lived only a few decades ago.
but also in the holy land, which is basically christian after the Jews are driven out by the romans in 70 AD. There is so much reason to assume that Jesus was indeed historical, simply by the impact he had in isreal alone,
Israel*
Israel is just as an ambivalent term as holy land. People know what holy land means. You know what it means. I will continue to use this term.
Go back to more past (in 4th to 5th centuries). There were some non-orthodox religions which could not reside with Christianity. The scriptures of those religions (awesome books especially in 4th to 5th century) were not copied or destroyed by the Christians. In the fourth century, under the rule of Constantine, his opponents were compelled by threat of death and prison or by dispossession to fall in line.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190723132715/https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13812So? Seems off-topic to me.
that you need to find more than just the lack of mentioning him in official roman writers, to say he did not exist.
Did they even mention originally ? Cite a credible website for your claim ‘original lack of mentioning’.
"Lack of mention" means that he wasn't mentioned. It is your argument that there is a lack of mention, not mine. I allowed this claim, despite not agreeing. And I said even if it was true, this is not enough.
Unless you don't learn how to respect someone, I cannot debate. Therefore, I leave both debates.
I am very sorry for my use of the word insane. I need to learn to not use such harsh language. It is not just insulting, but an exaggeration too. Exaggeration is a rhetorical trick, and as you know I despise those. Sadly its an old habit of mine to speak like this (also about myself) so please forgive.
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@Vex-Man I'm not trying to prove he existed. I'm just saying it is possible that a certain human named Jesus might have lived in that era and done some good deeds. I mean you dont have to be divine to do some good in the society. But his followers could easily spread news that he did something impossible. I mean we are talking about a 2000 year old civilization. I have seen people even in these times of science believing some random guy did some impossible things. If you think about it the Christian community could be really small in the time of his death , only a bunch of idiots maybe. But once such a powerful resurrection story spreads people will follow him naturally.
I'm pretty sure that the birth date of JC is fake and roots back to some pagan roman traditions. All new religions have copied from existing ones. Also the story of angels visiting him during his birthday could be fake too(probably made after his death).But proving he lived scientifically is not easy considering there is no archaeological evidence. This also mean we can't say he did not live either. So the best way to put it would be Jesus was a normal human and his divinity was fabricated after his death by his followers to gain popularity for the religion.
@Kaneki-kun Everything you see happens inside your brain . If you can truly believe something exists you might see random things that look like it. You sound more idiotic as you try to sound more intelligent. No Offence ;)
Mind Rides The Wind Without Reins.
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One of the main reasons to why there is today (almost) a scientific consensus that Jesus was a historical figure is an archeological one: that there have been found many many christian house churches in israel from the first century. This means, that people who heard little of St. Paul, believed in christ. Many of them have propably known Jesus in person, or at least their parents have. If he did never exist, such a presence of believers in the holy land during the first century is inexplicable.
Edit (2019-11-10): @Vex-Man please disregard this argument for now. I realized we already have too many open arguments in our previous posts. So let us both try to return to the debate rule we reached an agreement on: only 1 argument per post, max 500 words, then wait for the argument to be answered.
So consequently, if you answer to other people please make a separate post. Off-topic arguments should also be separated from the posts that pertain to the debate itself.
After having answered an oponent's argument I think its okay if we create a new post with our next argument, so that there will be max. 2 open arguments (one of the opponent + your new one).
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@pe7erpark3r said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:
You do not believe in batman to be real. You did not find batman in your heart the same way we did find Christ...
I used to believe anime characters were real and I used to fight with my friends because they found other anime characters real.
I mean I understand your point man. Some of this anime characters have helped me in my hard times too. Of course then I grew up and lost my ability to believe 100% in imaginary characters. I'm not joking. We all need an imaginary friend. :D -
@AbhiKerala said in Vex Debate: was Jesus historical?:
@Vex-Man I'm not trying to prove he existed. I'm just saying it is possible that a certain human named Jesus might have lived in that era and done some good deeds. I mean you dont have to be divine to do some good in the society. But his followers could easily spread news that he did something impossible. I mean we are talking about a 2000 year old civilization. I have seen people even in these times of science believing some random guy did some impossible things.
Yes, and sometimes its true, sometimes its fake, and sometimes its true but luck.
If you think about it the Christian community could be really small in the time of his death , only a bunch of idiots maybe. But once such a powerful resurrection story spreads people will follow him naturally.
I would like to question if this resurrection story really is so powerful. In fact St. Paul states that to the romans the story of somebody coming back from the dead is folly.
I think what is more powerful is that his followers, those that knew him in person, especially the apostles continue to preach this insane story (hope this time I'm not offending anyone :yum:) despite being repeatedly thrown in prison, flagellated, tortered and most of them even killed for it...
I'm pretty sure that the birth date of JC is fake and roots back to some pagan roman traditions. All new religions have copied from existing ones. Also the story of angels visiting him during his birthday could be fake too(probably made after his death).
Not just the date is fake, but also the year. In fact the orthodox church does not celebrate christmas on the 25th. And Jesus was propably born between 4-6 before Christ. That was the error of a monk that came up with our calendar. Incidently around 6 years BC was also the star constellation of the star of the jews (I forgot which planet) and the star of the kings (forgot which other planet too :sweat_smile:) were together. This would have been interpreted as the birth of a jewish king by near eastern astrologists.
But proving he lived scientifically is not easy considering there is no archaeological evidence. This also mean we can't say he did not live either.
This is a good formulation of also my position on the historicity of Jesus.
@Kaneki-kun Everything you see happens inside your brain . If you can truly believe something exists you might see random things that look like it. You sound more idiotic as you try to sound more intelligent. No Offence ;)
Yes and no. It depends on what happens. I concede christians (like any other) often see things as signs, that are clearly random. But. What happens is not quite so random. The things that happen to us should not happen so often statistically. And not to millions...
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I said kjv cuz compared to niv, nlt, and some translations there's no omission of verses. But yeah, when you experience Jesus and the Spirit of God personally into your life you don't need any philosopher, google, pastor or whatever to give you proves.
Bible says You need to believe to be able to see. Many of the world will know the Bible as much as Lucifer does and they'll derive philosophies from it whiles being led by false spirits. It's sad but it's OK, because unless you experience darkness you'll never acknowledged light. Because light IS and doesn't exist. People who live in clouds of darkness, conditioning and confusion if you tell them about The Light of the World they'll always tell you there's nothing like light because they don't know and don't even want to believe just a little bit something called 'Light' is ( "exist" in their terminology)
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You do not believe in batman to be real. You did not find batman in your heart the same way we did find Christ...
I used to believe anime characters were real and I used to fight with my friends because they found other anime characters real.
I mean I understand your point man. Some of this anime characters have helped me in my hard times too. Of course then I grew up and lost my ability to believe 100% in imaginary characters. I'm not joking. We all need an imaginary friend. :DThe nature of the things we are talking about is very special. You should really check out TLIG and read (quite) a bit. If you open your heart, you might understand what we are talking about, and why it is different from believing that comic characters are real. I mean you can never understand an experience really until you make it. Same for me, I cannot possibly imagine what it feels like to believe that anime characters are real.
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The Engaging Landscape of Talk With Stranger's Recent Page"
The "Recent" page on Talk With Stranger serves as a hub where users post new content and updates across various topics. It enables members to engage in free chat rooms, share experiences, and reconnect with chat partners. View this post on Tumblr Members can chat in free public chat rooms, share suggested experiences, and join their chat buddies back. When you visit Reddit Chat, then the next thing to do is go through different posts, from finding new friends and random chats to random chat rooms. This allows community members to message, aid and learn from others in a robust, interactive environment. The page encourages an interactive platform by linking between people who really have nothing to link but their willingness for spontaneous interactions around the world.
The Recent Page on TWS Website
Recent page in Talk With Stranger (TWS) can be a static or dynamic place where all users who are looking for recent thoughts, ideas posts and chat with past people. This page serves as a live feed of activity alerts users to new user actions, conversations and chat invitations. The "Recent" page is the core of community-centrism, providing running participation that allows users to quickly participate in free chat rooms and random charlatan index
This page is just as important for new arrivals as it is for users who have been lounging in TWS meta-mall since December, because it captures the pulse of a community. It does not only pin the last posts but also permits followers to respond at lightning speed, either by replying to someone else or starting a new thread.
In this post, we will address the details of how users are active on the Recent page, what types of content they share mostly and how incorporating free chat rooms or random chats level up their experience. In this series we will explore the keywords chat, free chat, chat rooms, free chatroom and random chats at the heart of each of the dynamics that constitute Talk With Stranger.
The Role of the Recent Page: The Catalyst for Live Commerce
The importance of the Recent page on Talk With Stranger cannot be overstated — it serves as a key place where new and previous content can both be discovered and interacted with. This is one such useful page as it displays all the posts in a chronological way which reflects what is really happening on the platform. Whether it be a follow up to the new conversation you just engaged with or ongoing discussions on the topic, there is always something for users to talk about instantly. There are many posts by strangers who want to chat with strangers and talk to strangers online in private stranger chat.
By simplifying the process of connecting, the "Recent" page aims to promote community involvement. Rather than having to go through many areas of the website to locate ongoing conversations or chat rooms, visitors may visit this page and immediately become involved in the most recent exchanges.
Typical post categories on the "Recent" page consist of:
1. Private notes to get in touch with former conversation partners.
2. Requests to join particular chat rooms for talks or games.
3. Queries on a range of subjects, from technical inquiries to life guidance.
4. Friendly salutations or requests to start casual conversations with new users.
TWS makes sure customers don't miss any action by offering a single, user-friendly page, which makes it easier for them to keep informed about current discussions and community developments.
The Foundation of Interaction on Talk With Strangers: Free Chat Rooms
The free chat rooms on Talk With Stranger, which let users text and converse with individuals all around the world, are the center of the community. Because they give users an adaptable and convenient way to meet new people depending on their common interests or needs for impromptu conversation, these chat rooms are an essential feature.
To accommodate a variety of tastes, free chat rooms are separated into several categories. There is something for everyone on TWS, regardless of whether users like the excitement of random talks or would rather join a themed room focused on technology, music, or lighthearted banter. Some chat rooms' randomness enables members to meet individuals from different backgrounds and step outside of their comfort zones.
Common Categories of Free Chat Rooms
1. General Chat Rooms: These rooms provide an informal setting for discussion on any subject. These rooms are great for casual conversations, whether someone wants to share a strange idea or speak about their day.
2. Themed Chat Rooms: A lot of people want to participate in discussions that are tailored to their interests. Users may interact with others who share their interests in relationships, technology, gaming, movies, and other topics by joining themed chat rooms.
3. Random Chat Rooms: One of the TWS platform's most well-liked features is its random chat rooms function. Users are paired with random people in these rooms to have impromptu talks. Random voice chat rooms provide an element of excitement and unpredictability, whether you're wanting to meet someone new or just want to have a surprise conversation.
Random Conversations: A Special Way to Speak With Strangers
One of Talk With Stranger's key features is its random chat feature, which matches users with random people from all around the world. Users never know who they'll be conversing with next because of this feature, which gives the site a sense of surprise and originality.
The popularity of random conversations has increased for a number of reasons:
1. Spontaneity: Random conversations offer a totally unexpected experience, in contrast to other chat platforms where users may join particular groups based on interests. Users who like making new friends or who just want to kill time by striking up a random discussion will find this appealing.
2. Global Reach: Due to the platform's global user base, casual chats frequently result in discussions with individuals from other nations and cultural backgrounds. Because of its diversity, the user experience is enhanced and learning and cultural exchange are made possible.
3. Anonymity: Because TWS random conversations are primarily anonymous, participants are able to express themselves honestly without worrying about disclosing personal information. Because of their anonymity, users may be more at ease and authentic.
The random chat function improves TWS overall by encouraging special and impromptu relationships that would not occur in more formal conversation environments.
Actual Instances of User Engagement on the Recent Page
There is a wide range of active engagement on the Recent page. Users share a variety of content, such as invites to games or group discussions and personal narratives. The "Recent" page can be used in the following typical ways to facilitate connections:
Seeking Former Chat Partners: A lot of people utilize the "Recent" tab to post in an attempt to get in touch with someone they previously spoke with. This is especially typical in situations when participants are chatting randomly and may not have had time to share contact information before the chat ends. As an example, a user could post:
"Searching for the girl who spoke about Harry Potter the day before." Message me if you see this, please!
2. Inviting Users to Join Group chat conversations in group chat rooms: Some users invite others to themed or group conversations by going to the "Recent" page. These entries may provide an overview of the subject matter and an open invitation to participate for everyone who is interested.
"Hi everyone, today we're playing a game of truth or dare in the "Random Fun" chat room. If you're ready for some fun, please feel free to join!
3. Asking queries or advice: Users frequently post queries on TWS in an effort to get advice from other members of the community, which is highly helpful. These might be more serious questions about life, personal recommendations, or suggestions for movies or literature.
"Hey, I need some guidance on how to deal with a challenging circumstance at work. I'd be delighted to hear your opinions!
4. Sharing Personal tales: Users can also share tales or personal experiences with the community on the site. These posts frequently start conversations and bring people together via similar experiences.
"So, last night I had this strange dream. Just curious if anyone else has had something like it." Let's talk about weird dreams!
The community is kept alive and active by the diversity of involvement, which guarantees that there is always something fresh going on the "Recent" tab.
The Influence of Inclusive and Anonymity in Free Chat Rooms
Talk With Stranger's dedication to anonymity is one of its best features. Because sharing personal information is not mandatory, users are able to converse openly and without fear of repercussion. Those who might be reluctant or bashful to express their opinions in more conventional social settings will find this option very intriguing.
Additionally, anonymity creates a level playing field by removing prejudices and preconceptions from interactions between people from different backgrounds. It promotes candid and open discussion since users may voice their opinions without worrying about the consequences.
The website is also quite inclusive, providing free chat rooms that accommodate a wide variety of hobbies and backgrounds. You'll discover a room that works for you whether you want to play games, have in-depth philosophical discussions, or just chat about music.
How to Use the "Recent" Page and Navigate It
New users may easily navigate the "Recent" page.When you log in to the site, the website transforms into a live feed featuring the most recent posts. Here's a little tutorial to help you make the most of it:
1. Look for interesting topics. To see the most recent posts, navigate to the "Recent" page, which is often updated.
2. Post Your Own Message: All it takes to initiate a discussion or pose a query is to make a post. This area can be used for asking for guidance, inviting others to join a discussion, or sharing a thought with the group.
3. React to Others: One of the simplest ways to participate in the community is to reply to other users' postings. Reacting to postings, whether by giving counsel or just jumping into a conversation, promotes deep ties.
4. Invite People to Chat Rooms: You are welcome to publish an invitation on the "Recent" tab if you would want to start a chat room or if you have a particular one in mind. This is a fantastic method to get like-minded people together for games or conversations in groups.
The Significance of Community Engagement and Feedback
Initiating discussions is only one aspect of engagement on the "Recent" tab; community members' feedback and interactions are equally crucial. Feedback can come in a variety of forms, such as answers to queries, supportive comments during conversations, or even helpful critique.
Promoting Positive Criticism
1. Establishing a Safe Space for Sharing: It's critical to have an environment that is encouraging when people offer feedback. Constructive criticism promotes users' confidence in voicing their thoughts, which might result in more in-depth conversations.
2. Encourage Active Listening: Active listening is necessary for participating in discussions on the "Recent" page. Before replying, users should carefully read the posts made by others. This exercise aids in creating pertinent responses that significantly advance the current conversations.
3. Acknowledging Contributions: It's critical for other community members to recognize the insightful viewpoints and helpful counsel that others have shared. To help people feel appreciated, a brief "Thank you" or a more thorough answer might be quite beneficial.
Activities to Foster Community
Community contact is essential for Talk With Stranger to flourish, and the "Recent" page acts as a spark for a variety of community-building events. In addition to maintaining user engagement, these activities help participants form enduring relationships.
Games and Tasks for Groups
By using the postings on the "Recent" tab, a lot of users take the initiative to set up challenges or group activities. These exercises, which encourage cooperation and healthy competition, might be anything from quiz contests to creative writing assignments.
1. Trivia Nights: Users can suggest a trivia night and extend an invitation to others to attend. In order to ensure that everyone may participate, regardless of knowledge level, questions can cover a variety of topics.
2. Creative Writing Challenges: People who love to write in the community often organize writing contests in which participants are required to come up with short tales in response to suggestions. This encourages creativity and gives individuals a platform to demonstrate their writing abilities.
3. Collaborative Projects: people may work together on projects, including starting a blog or community newsletter using content from different people. Everyone feels more invested in the community and more engaged as a result of this team effort.
The Value of Restraint and Safety Procedures
Despite the typically warm and inviting attitude on Talk With Stranger, it's critical to have policies in place that safeguard users and promote a constructive environment. Moderators are employed by the site and are vital in maintaining civil and entertaining interactions for all users.
1. Active Monitoring: Moderators keep an eye out for improper conduct or content on the "Recent" page and in other chat rooms. Their presence guarantees that users feel secure interacting with others and helps discourage bad interactions.
2. Giving users more power: Users are urged to help keep the group honest by sharing any questionable behavior. We can make sure that everyone is responsible for making the workplace nice if we all work together.
4. Educational Initiatives: Another area of the community's concentration is instructing individuals on safe online behavior. A safer environment is achieved by consistently reminding people of the value of preserving personal information and having polite conversations.
Establishing Consistency in Building Trust
Any community needs trust, and developing that trust requires patience and steady work. Users may cultivate trust through their interactions and communication dependability on the "Recent" page.
1. Consistency in Engagement: Engaging in conversations on a regular basis contributes to building a presence in the community. Those who often offer insightful commentary and assistance are likely to establish lasting bonds with one another.
2. Keep Your Words: Users must keep their word when they agree to join a group chat or take part in an activity. Reliability in keeping promises sustains credibility and entices people to interact with you.
3. Transparency in aims: Establishing rapport during discussions can be facilitated by being forthright about one's aims. Clear communication creates a trustworthy atmosphere, whether one is looking for companionship, guidance, or just a good conversation.
Individual Development via Community Involvement
Talk With Stranger conversations offer chances for self development in addition to social connection. Through networking with a variety of people, users may broaden their views and improve their social skills.
1. Improved Communication Skills: Having talks on a daily basis helps users improve their communication skills, making it easier for them to express their thoughts and actively listen to others.
2. Broadened views: Engaging with others from different backgrounds exposes people to a range of countries, ways of life, and views. Having this exposure may increase one's understanding and empathy.
3. Enhanced Confidence: Taking part in discussions, particularly random ones, may give people a boost in confidence. Users could grow more at ease expressing themselves in real and online contexts over time.
The Future of Virtual Communication: Chat Community Trends
The community's ideals and interests are reflected in the content that people have contributed on the "Recent" page. This user-generated content, which ranges from artistic creations to personal narratives, acts as a mirror to the users' varied viewpoints and experiences.
By identifying what appeals to users most, analyzing this content may provide light on the community's collective identity, promote a feeling of community, and inspire others to share their perspectives.
Future developments in technology and user behavior will probably have an impact on Talk With Stranger and other similar services as online communication continues to change. Users' interactions with one another might be influenced by innovations including more individualized chat experiences, AI-driven moderation, and improved privacy options.
Communities will also need to change in response to the increasing desire for inclusiveness and diversity in order to continue being welcome places for people looking to connect and have a discussion.
Concluding Remarks on Engagement Techniques
Here are some last ideas to keep in mind while customers explore the ever-changing "Recent" page to improve their experience:
1. Remain Curious: Enter into discussions with an open mind. Deeper relationships might result from posing questions and demonstrating an interest in the experiences of others.
2. Be Respectful: Regardless of the outcome of a discussion, always show others respect. It is possible to avoid misunderstandings and create a pleasant environment by acting with respect.
3. Promote Inclusive: Try to interact with users who could come out as more reserved or uninvolved. Encouraging everyone to participate contributes to the development of a well-rounded community.
Users may enhance their own and others' experiences on Talk With Stranger by adhering to these rules and helping to create a vibrant and encouraging community.
Summary
Talk With Stranger's "Recent" tab is a hive of activity where people publish updates, participate in free chat rooms, and exchange content with one another. People come together to engage in real-time interaction in this melting pot of concepts, feelings, and relationships. The page's lively interaction demonstrates the platform's function as a global discussion center, making it a fun location to make new friends and get in touch with existing ones.
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQS)
Q1: What does the Talk With Strangers "Recent" page entail?
Answer: Users may share their most recent updates, re-connect with others, and have discussions in free chat rooms and sporadic chat sessions on the "Recent" part of the website.
Q2: How do TWS free chat rooms operate?
Answer: Users may join or establish free chat rooms to converse on a variety of topics without having to pay anything. Everyone is welcome to use these rooms, which encourage impromptu conversations.
Q3. Is it possible to locate particular people on the "Recent" page?
Answer: A lot of people do post on the "Recent" tab in an attempt to get in touch with someone they spoke with before. Users can use this function to look up friends or conversation partners from past sessions.
Q4: Is there no cost to utilize Talk With Stranger?
Answer: Users do not need to pay to access random conversations, free chat rooms, and other services on the site.
Q5: What kinds of subjects are covered on TWS?
Answer: A broad variety of subjects are discussed by users, such as dating, movies, technology, life guidance, and more.
Conclusion
The "Recent" tab on the Talk With Stranger platform embodies the spirit of contemporary internet conversation. TWS creates an atmosphere where community members feel linked even when they are geographically separated by providing a place where users may participate in random conversations, have free chat sessions, and post updates. The platform provides a dynamic and varied area to satisfy your social requirements, whether you're looking for a brief chat or a deeper conversation.
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😂😂😂 It's like saying we play basketball and I am the referee hahaha stfu plz you made me laugh seriously .
You should learn how to debate with the people, TM. A constructive debate always has rules. It is not your public chat where you can abuse or assert to write essays to shut my mouth up. You should not participate in a debate if you disagree with the rules on the first place. A debate is not a sport nor it is played, make common sense.
I replied on each and every false thing you said with links and evidence from the Quraan and sunna ..
What if I considered The Koran as legitimate source ? I will show why it does not change the argument. But ofc this will be mine last reply to you as you disqualified to yourself and I do not have time to answer what you write further. You always write what you want to and interpret any verse without citing a single weblink.
now you don't wanna accept it
Now or always ? It is written in the topic initially. Apparently, you did not bother to read the rules
Treatment to disbelievers -
"˹Remember, O Prophet,˺ when your Lord revealed to the angels, “I am with you. So make the believers stand firm. I will cast horror into the hearts of the disbelievers. So strike their necks and strike their fingertips.”
"This is because they defied Allah and His Messenger. And whoever defies Allah and His Messenger, then ˹know that˺ Allah is surely severe in punishment."(8:12-13)Source - https://quran.com/8?startingVerse=12 (this is how someone writes if they have to post a source; they do not just write (8:12-13)). This is what a weblink is.
"So when you meet the disbelievers ˹in battle˺, strike ˹their˺ necks until you have thoroughly subdued them, then bind them firmly. Later ˹free them either as˺ an act of grace or by ransom until the war comes to an end. So will it be. Had Allah willed, He ˹Himself˺ could have inflicted punishment on them. But He does ˹this only to˺ test some of you by means of others. And those who are martyred in the cause of Allah,1 He will never render their deeds void."
Source - https://quran.com/47?startingVerse=4
Public lashing of fornicators -
"As for female and male fornicators, give each of them one hundred lashes,1 and do not let pity for them make you lenient in ˹enforcing˺ the law of Allah, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a number of believers witness their punishment." (24:2)
Source - https://quran.com/24/2
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That verse is already mentioned in the wikipedia link I posted first. You failed to counter-argue after making 14 record posts. You did not even care to quote it. You brought your own assertions and then you tell me what I wrote is false.
Also, the contradictory verses were written in the same webpage. You failed to even quote them as well.
evidence from the Quraan
You cannot even spell Koran/Quran correctly and you read it five times. Huh ?
A forum like this https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/topics/extraterrestrial-intelligence is enough for you to think aliens exist.
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Conclusion: Saudi girls attain menarcheal age earlier than their mothers, reflecting a downward secular trend in menarcheal age.
So, Mother's puberty age > Daughter's puberty age. In Ayesha's time, it was around 15.74. Do the math with Cuzick test for trend (0.049).
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@Zack-Williamson I replied on each and every false thing you said with links and evidence from the Quraan and sunna now you don't wanna accept it ... it's up to you but for me it's more than enough whether you like to read it or not . Thank you 👋
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@Zack-Williamson 😂😂😂 It's like saying we play basketball and I am the referee hahaha stfu plz you made me laugh seriously .
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@ODIN said in Can Islam really teach ethics to anyone ? Think again.:
I understand your point, perhaps you have learned alot from different legit sources about islam and koran itself.
The reference links of the page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Quran#Notes
Ibn Ishaq is different legit source ? Every islamic work depends on him. In fact, he was the first guy who wrote biography on Muhammad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq
And you came to conclude about how intolerant the quran and islam is toward women and other religions. Thats a good step toward knowing the truth about islamic religion.
The proof is always backed up by evidence. It is very simple to say I have thousand ants in my cupboard. If I tell this to everyone, almost 100% people will ask for the evidence. They are not going to believe me. When people opened my cupboard and recorded the video and showed it to me, I tell them you get to know cupboard does not have any ant. Different sources describe it has ants.
If you wont mind perhaps i would share how i understand islam, koran and different sources describing about this religion
I do mind this. When I mind this, I don't want you to teach me.
Talking about Quran and intolerence toward woman and other religions, in my point of view, i find Koran is actually shows us how blessed woman is in many ways.
The Quran, the holy book of Islam, indicates that both men and women are spiritually equal. The Quran states: "Those who do good, whether male or female, and have faith will enter Paradise and will never be wronged; even as much as the speck on a date stone."BTW I said all people to argue with evidence otherwise you will be disqualified. Read the rule 2. I am not gonna answer any of your reply.
And fight in Allah’s way those who fight you, but do not commit aggression—Allah does not love the aggressors...Surah al-Baqarah
And kill them wherever you overtake them, and expel them from where they have expelled you. Oppression is more severe than murder. But do not fight them at the Sacred Sanctuary, unless they fight you there. If they fight you, then kill them—such is the payback for the unbelievers.
MUSLIMS SHALL ONLY FIGHT WHEB OPRESSED AND PUSHED BY VIOLENCE FRON THIER HOMELAND FOR OPRESSION IS MORE SEVERE THAN MURDER AS ALLAH SAID.Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. MUSLIMS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ATTACK THOSE WHO DO NOT ATTACK THEM BUT ONLY TO FIGHT BACK OR PREPARE FOR A FIGHT IN A WAR OR GHAZWA WHICH MEANS INVADING THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO INVADE US OR WILLONG TO PUSH US OUT OF OUR HOME AND FIGHT US IN OUR RELIGION .
You too violated rule 2 multiple times. As I have already said, don't assert without evidence. I am not gonna answer this. Proof by assertion is a fallacy in logic. Your other arguments contain a forum link which is not an encylopedia nor a individual research website so I dismiss your all arguments. I do not want to read them. I just did read blue letters aka links.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion#:~:text=Proof by assertion%2C sometimes informally,regardless of contradiction and refutation.
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(You cannot cite an unauthentic website especially which lacks any reference. Encylopedias and research websites bring more weightage of evidence to other websites. Do not assert w/o evidence.) Islamic sources has islamic content isn't that a simple common sense thing for you to understand ? Lol Wiki and Encyclo are more general content that provide answers to those who wanna read the titles before going in depth analysis and main sources . THANK U .
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(You cannot abuse anyone. People who abuse, lack rational arguments. You cannot argue like this) replying to this : THAT WAS NOT AN ARGUMENT BUY A JOKE LOL YOU CUT OFF ALL THE PREVIOUS ARGUMENT ON WHICH YOU SURRENDERED AND AGREED TO AISHA HIT THE PUBERTY AND WAS CAPABLE OF MARRIAGE ! BUT YOU SIMPLY NEEEEED TO BRING ANYTHING YOU CAN TO SHOW THAT U ARE ARGUING WHILE I HAD NO LOGICAL REPLY TO FEEL LIKE A WINNER . THAT'S WHAT LOSERS USUALLY DO. NEXT TIME BRING LESS SHIT FOR ME TO WHIPE OFF AND MORE RATIONAL POINTS TO ARGUE ABOUT .
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The median age of puberty is declining in Saudi Arabia, so it means the median age of Saudi Arabian's girls' for puberty was higher than now. It was 11 to 14 between 2006 to 2012. Replying to this : THE ANSWER OF THIS CLAIM IS IN UR LINK ... U JUST REFUSE TO READ OR YOU ARE BLIND TO READ AND UNDERSTAND THE COMPONENTS OF UR OWN LINK !!!
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Who can teach us ethics ? The one who himself married, 6 years old Saudi Arabian girl Aishah and slept with her when she was 9 years old ? Or the one who had 13 wives ? : 3) And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hands possess [i.e., slaves]. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice]. And give the women [upon marriage] their [bridal] gifts[161] graciously. But if they give up willingly to you anything of it, then take it in satisfaction and ease.[162] And do not give the weak-minded your property,[163] which Allāh has made a means of sustenance for you, but provide for them with it and clothe them and speak to them words of appropriate kindness.(6) And test the orphans [in their abilities] until they reach marriageable age. Then if you perceive in them sound judgement, release their property to them. And do not consume it excessively and quickly, [anticipating] that they will grow up. And whoever, [when acting as guardian], is self-sufficient should refrain [from taking a fee]; and whoever is poor - let him take according to what is acceptable. Then when you release their property to them, bring witnesses upon them. And sufficient is Allāh as Accountant.
AS YOU CAN SEE ALLAH HAS FORBIDDEN MARRIAGE BEFORE THE PROPER MARRIAGEABLE AGE ( PUBERTY) SO THE PROPHET DID NOT HAD SEX WITH HER BEFORE SHE HIT PUBERTY OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE SEEN ANY SIDE EFFECTS TO SUCH ( RAPE OR SHAMEFUL ACT ) AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO THINK .
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(Who can teach us ethics ? The one who himself married, 6 years old Saudi Arabian girl Aishah and slept with her when she was 9 years old ? Or the one who had 13 wives ?) Replying to this :https://islambasics.com/chapter/preislam-polygamy/
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(I do not think I have to prove that they are not the words of God because it contains a lot of contradictions, absurdities, inconsistencies, errors already. God would not commit such mistakes like humans since he is supposed to be an intelligent being.) ALLAH indeed is the almighty superior creator and this claim of yours has a perfect reply in the quraan : (46) So have they not traveled through the earth and have hearts by which to reason and ears by which to hear? For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts. Indeed a blinded heart is the cause of all sickness that's why the minds can't see the deep connection between the verses for they are blinded by their sick desires and weak soul that is eager to live here forever and thinks their will be no return to Allah after death : Then did you think that We created you uselessly and that to Us you would not be returned?" ...
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(People who think Quran is the word of God, also think that humans cannot decide what ethics are and only their holy book can decide them) Replying to this : And it is He who produced you from a single being, then a repository, then a depository. We have detailed the revelations for people who UNDERSTAND. Unfortunately the english dictionary cannot 100% reflect the meanings of words such as " تتفكرون ، تعقلون ، تفقهون ، تتقون ، تنظرون " All those words encourages the human being to Think , contemplate , understand , comprehend , see ( mindfully ) rationalize etc... all such words are mentioned in Quraan as Allah mentioned in soura Al-Baqara (53): And [recall] when We gave Moses the Scripture and criterion that perhaps you would be guided. As you can read the word GUIDED is the main reason for why the revelations were revealed to the prophets . The Quraan and Bible and Taorat and Zabor and Abraham's scriptures all are for guidence for us humans، to rise spiritually, psychologically and mentally and build a chain of ethics and social laws to be helped and saved . This is the path of Allah that we should follow with obedience or otherwise Satan will take over our will and heart and lead us to perish then go with him to hell .
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( In the Koran and Islam, you can see the umpteen amount of intolerance towards women and other religions.) Replying to this : Surah al-Baqarah
190. And fight in Allah’s way those who fight you, but do not commit aggression—Allah does not love the aggressors...Surah al-Baqarah
191. And kill them wherever you overtake them, and expel them from where they have expelled you. Oppression is more severe than murder. But do not fight them at the Sacred Sanctuary, unless they fight you there. If they fight you, then kill them—such is the payback for the unbelievers.
MUSLIMS SHALL ONLY FIGHT WHEB OPRESSED AND PUSHED BY VIOLENCE FRON THIER HOMELAND FOR OPRESSION IS MORE SEVERE THAN MURDER AS ALLAH SAID.
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(In the Koran and Islam, you can see the umpteen amount of intolerance towards women and other religions) replying to this : Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. MUSLIMS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ATTACK THOSE WHO DO NOT ATTACK THEM BUT ONLY TO FIGHT BACK OR PREPARE FOR A FIGHT IN A WAR OR GHAZWA WHICH MEANS INVADING THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO INVADE US OR WILLONG TO PUSH US OUT OF OUR HOME AND FIGHT US IN OUR RELIGION .
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(In the Koran and Islam, you can see the umpteen amount of intolerance towards women and other religions.)... Replying to this : Al noor 2 .The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment. EQUALITY IN PUNISHMENT FOR COMMITING ADULTERY .
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(In the Koran and Islam, you can see the umpteen amount of intolerance towards women and other religions)... Replying to this : Al-Ahzāb: (35) Indeed, the Muslim men and Muslim women, the believing men and believing women, the obedient men and obedient women, the truthful men and truthful women, the patient men and patient women, the humble men and humble women, the charitable men and charitable women, the fasting men and fasting women, the men who guard their private parts and the women who do so, and the men who remember Allāh often and the women who do so - for them Allāh has prepared forgiveness and a great reward. NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN AS ALLAH MENTION THEM BOTH EQUALLY .
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In the Koran and Islam, you can see the umpteen amount of intolerance towards women and other religions
Replying to this : "O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste." Prophet mohammad words before he died in the farewell seremon . https://atida.org/forums/node/2587
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It is very cowardly to cut my words and offer only the words that I was laughing at lol I'm coming to reply .
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Talking about Quran and intolerence toward woman and other religions, in my point of view, i find Koran is actually shows us how blessed woman is in many ways.
The Quran, the holy book of Islam, indicates that both men and women are spiritually equal. The Quran states: "Those who do good, whether male or female, and have faith will enter Paradise and will never be wronged; even as much as the speck on a date stone."
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Iron Within Meteorites
According to M.E. Walrath, iron is not an element that was naturally present on Earth. Studies suggest that a billion years ago, a meteorite struck Earth. This meteorite had iron on it, and when it exploded after coming in contact with our planet, Earth got iron. This scientific fact in Quran is stated in passage 57:25 as “we sent down iron with its great inherent strength and its many benefits for humankind”.
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Embryology
Embryology is a branch of biology concerned with the study of fertilization and embryo development. The central religious text, at one point, talks about embryology and states a significant scientific fact in Quran. It says, “We created man from an extract of clay. Then we made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then we made the drop into an Alaqah (blood clot), then we made the Alaqah into a Mudghah…” (Quran 23:12-14)Here the word ‘Alaqah’ can be defined as a leech, blood clot, or something suspended in the air. According to science, a foetus gets nutrients and oxygen from the mother. In this sense, it is not unlike a leech that sucks blood. Also, in the early stages, the foetus stays stationary and the blood does not flow, which renders it similar to a blood clot. Lastly, in the womb, the baby hangs from the uterus wall by the placenta and lies suspended.
Engaging Popular Topics and Daily Topics in Online Chatrooms
Online chatrooms have given rise to an animated platform, the beauty of which is that people can freely express their views on an infinite number of topics. This makes the chatrooms more appealing than ever. There are many aspects of the popular topics in the chat where people come to share their thoughts, ask questions, or even just talk, whether it is about daily life, fun, issues relating to people, or even news. No matter how quickly the world changes, and how fast paced the world of the internet becomes. These chatrooms make it possible for that ever-new wave of active discussions to take place, ensuring that there are new daily topics on which people will talk. Free chat with other strangers and make new friends online on Talk With Stranger by talking to strangers.
Specifically, in this article, we will look at the most common popular topics and the typical daily topics that sustain chatrooms and their relevance to users worldwide. This guide is designed to walk you through the focus areas that attract the greatest interest and where exactly in today’s reality, they have chatrooms turned into a melting pot of relations based on the commonality of interests. Chat online today on TWS (TalkWithStranger) free chat sites.
The Appeal of Popular Topics Available in Chatrooms
Interesting features include the extensive range of interesting topics available, which appeal to many people, in the chat rooms. Users on such platforms log in to participate in various topics. It includes news, entertainment, and personal life issues where one seeks advice. The interesting thing about these services is that they are very flexible. One can look for a particular chat room for a particular interest or just join general conversations on everydayevery day topics that are suitable to most members.
What Brings People’s Attention to Popular Topics?
Many factors make certain topics interesting in chat rooms:
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Users’ temptations: There is a tendency among users to love taking part in topics that appeal to them the most. This could go like my favorite sport, my best friend, my way of life, etc.
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Topics that grab people’s attention: Such topics would be politics, maternal care, and discussions of trends that are of the moment, the amount of response generated is always impressive.
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Communication: It is often the case that many people from different walks of life have something in common in terms of subjects of interest. Chat rooms provide the perfect medium for enhancing the attainment of the objective given the chances of being supportive.
Popular Topics: Chat Room Examples
Some topics tend to be focused on in chat rooms every time. The topics include:
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Entertainment: Most of the time, some topics revolve around movies, television shows, music, or video games. It could be an advertisement for the most recent movie or a review of the music tabs. One thing that is guaranteed is that entertainment is always booming.
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Personal Relationships: Most of the time chat rooms are used to air relationship challenges, seek assistance, or even share very amusing dating experiences.
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Health and Wellness: Most people seek participation in chat rooms from textbooks or fitness programs for sporting or health advice. Members will often share information concerning the different aspects of healthy living.
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Hobbies and Interests: Chat rooms are great for passionate individuals to unite and talk about photography, trips, or gaming.
The Dynamic Nature of Daily Topics
While popular topics help users join conversations, it is the daily topics that engage users in chat rooms that are activerooms active and interesting all the time. These conversations tend to be more relaxed and light-hearted. They enable users to log in every day and have something to say without feeling overwhelmed by the need to give a detailed response. These daily topics are also particularly useful in helping people form social bonds over ordinary daily enterprises.
How Daily Topics Maintain Interest in Chatrooms
Daily topics are introduced in every chat room to enhance user interaction in each room. These topics revolve around something going on in the current and global environment. Users can share how their day is going, offeringgoing offering their thoughts about any holiday or other memorable day. This strategy I believe aids in making the members active and hence making them wish to come back to the room more often.
Common Types of Daily Topics on Free Chat sites
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Daily Check-Ins: It’s common in most chat rooms to find a thread titled “How’s your day” where individuals post what has been happening to them.
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Current Events: A hot talk is a topic that arises from breaking news the most popular politics of the day or a hot global issue.
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Personal Milestones: Users like to express their achievements, presenting such events as a successful promotion, a new relationship, or losing extra weight.
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Lighthearted Fun: Coveted daily trivia and other everyday topics encourage users to take their time and look for lighthearted and funny themes.
The Change in Trends in Chats and Subjects in Chatrooms
With the advancement in technology, so do the topics in the chat room. Most people talk about the same things over the internet, like entertainment, relationships, health and so other aspects that are popular with the majority. The chat rooms of today are such that members are as likely to engage in understanding tech advancements and sharing thoughts on cryptocurrency and responsible living as much as they do about fetishes and lifestyle fads.
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Trending Popular Topics in Modern Chatrooms
There has been the development of popular topics in chat rooms, especially with the emergence of social media and the quick spread of information. Some of these niches that are becoming increasingly popular in chat rooms include:
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Tech and Gadgets: Since the technology era is ever getting advanced, some users just can never stay in a room without chatting about the most recent devices and applications thatapplications, that are revolutionizing the world today.
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Sustainability: Now more than ever, many people are conscious of environmental concerns and chat rooms are also more about modern living, climate, and sustainability as well.
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Cryptocurrency and Blockchain: Many are still catching up with the crypto world and as the market for cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin and Ethereum continues to grow. Many chat rooms center around the same helping users provide areas where they can talk about the latest in crypto, and even help investors time the market.
Integrating New Trends
It is one of the outstanding virtues of the chatrooms to incorporate new trends that come up. As new interests develop, chatrooms tend to adopt these changes by adding fresh popular topics that occupy users and keep the subject of the platforms. These trends in popular culture allow abandoning the claim that chat rooms in the modern world no longer have any reason to exist.
Inclusion of Popular Topics and Daily Topics in Building Community
Every active chatroom seems to be vigorous mostly due to the sense of community residing in it. Users do not simply engage in conversations; they relate with persons who have common interests with them. Popular topics become the points where users can strive to begin making conversations while daily topics aim to make the chat rooms more engaging and colorful.
Importance Of Popular Topics In Relating Users
Beginning from the fact that users in a chat room engage in certain popular topics quite frequently, certain bonds start forming. This can either be as a result of a common favorite show or advice given on personal stuff, these talks create an aspect of closeness and attachment among the members.
How Moderators Influence the Nature of Popular Topics
Moderators help scrutinize and enhance what is being talked about in the chat rooms. They keep the closure with users by topping and pinning some hot topics to avoid unnecessary diversion from the subject of discussion.
The Influence of Trending Topics on the Traffic of Chat Rooms
The variation of popular topics is one of the features that is responsible for the constant return by users to the chat rooms. Some topics, once they become popular, are known to draw an even bigger audience and hence create a lot of movement into the platform. This is particularly true of chatrooms which are mostly focused on current discussions concerning trends that are fascinating enough to pitch a large number of people to walk in and join in the talk that is actively going on.
User-Generated Content and Its Effects on the Popular Daily Topics
The nature of all the user-generated content is also one of the things that appeals more to popular topics. The main weakness which traditional media hosts is that it is very rare and poorly structured by active participants which are the members and audiences of free chat rooms. This therefore explains why popular topics are referred to as fluid and flexible to the will and wishes of people.
Some of the most common user-generated popular topics that have been known to attract traffic include:
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Live Event Discussions: Large events containing competitions like sports, award ceremonies, and others, are all great topics because they usually attract large numbers of users to chat rooms to discuss these events as they are happening.
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Viral Challenges and Trends: It could be an internet challenge, a viral meme, videos, or animations; chatrooms are channels that enable users to engage and talk about such trends.
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Advice Columns: It is no news that threads and discussions seeking to offer or request advice on matters of relationships, career choices, and even health are some of the most actively participated areas in chatrooms from their popular circles.
How Chatrooms Evolve Around Daily Topics
As time goes by, chatrooms change in their structure and contents. This is because the trends and preferences of the users also change over time. Daily topics are essential as they keep chatrooms functional as a channel of instant communication. These days, most of the chatrooms are adding up new technologies and features to meet the increasing expectation of instant communication.
The Rise of Real-Time Interactions
With social media being the key to communication, chatrooms also adopted a real-time interaction facility that allows users to participate in a conversation that has already commenced. Daily topics such as current affairs, news, or what is trending at that time can be used for such calls for discussions. This is the essence of immediacy and it is arguably why people would want to participate and interact with other people.
Mobile Chatrooms and Their Social Aspects
Mobile devices dominate the internet today and chatrooms have adapted their systems to this trend. The change has had a notable effect on the way people consume the questions of the day and interact with them. It is now possible for users to get into chatrooms from any location which ensures that conversations about questions of the day remain ongoing and current in real time.
Some of the factors that have contributed to the emergence of mobile chatrooms include:
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Push Notifications: Additionally, notifications will notify users about a daily topic of interest that has been posted and will enhance user engagement.
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Instant Messaging Features: For instance due to social mobile app chatrooms incorporating messaging features instant messaging features make convenient discussions around daily topics easier.
Popular Topics and Niche Communities
While most chatrooms deal with broad-based popular topics that capture thousands and thousands of users’ interest, the same cannot be said of niche communities which constitute an integral part of the chatroom ecosystem. Usually, people cluster in small groups with specific topics or interests that are more specific than just the broad original topic. It could be a fan club dedicated to this or that serial or the IT trends. These focus communities allow their users to address such a trend in more detail rather than attract a wider audience.
Why Niche Popular Topics Are So Trending Today
Niche popular topics are on the rise owing to how different chatrooms can cater to the individual user’s needs. As users are looking for more focused content, such specific forums enable discussions that are not just skin-deep. This approach effectively sustains user interest by allowing them to interact with those who share their interests and have different spheres of passion.
Some other examples of niche popular topics are:
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Science and Fantasy Fiction: Chatrooms that are dedicated to everything from the latest picture books and motion pictures to fan artfanart creation.
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DIY And Crafting: These boards help people exchange tips, tutorials, and projects and form a constructive activity-oriented community.
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Fitness And Wellness: In recent years niche forums focused on fitness training, meal plans, and mental health discussions have become quite popular as well.
The Future of Popular Topics and Daily Topics
Popular topics as well as daily topics will always be at the center of interaction by the users. The competition for live and engaging content has been fuelled as many more lounges introduce real-time elements. This transformation brought to light the relevance of chatrooms in bridging the gap between physically distant people while engaging and maintaining the chat as to the current needs of internet users.
An Overview of How AI and Automation Boost Popular Topics
With the growth of AI technology, it has become common to see chatrooms coming up with more automated features to contain conversations that revolve around trending topics. For instance, with the use of AI, most chatrooms can now predict the topics that will be relevant at a certain time and recommend which threads to place or which subjects to discuss. Not only does this improve the experience of the users, but also it keeps the discussions being talked about new and more active than at any other time in history.
Some AI-driven strategies that help maintain popular topics include:
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Intelligent Topic Recommendations: When users feel at ease sharing topics with others, they call upon popularity prediction strategies, which are employed by AI algorithms seeking user trends and behavior toward potential arguments within the community.
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Moderation: As more users join the chatrooms, particularly due to topics of the day or interest, there is a need to create and maintain a positive ambiance in the chatroom. Chat moderation tools based on AI will keep out inappropriate content during the day to ensure that topics remain respectful.
Gamification and User Rewards for Engaging in Daily Topics
Chatrooms are looking for ways to attract users’ attention towards the daily topics, thus, trying to include gamification features in topics. These features include but are not limited to, awarding users with points, badges, and leaderboards to individuals who contribute some reasonable discussions daily to increase and retain users. This makes chatting fun and encourages participation in all activities of the chat community.
Key gamification elements observed in contemporary chatrooms include:
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Star Contribution Leaderboards: Top contributors of the day for these topics are displayed.
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Badges: Users are rewarded with virtual badges for inverting or contributing in to hot debatable subjects.
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Exclusive Education: The best users are allowed to participate in special sections of the website’s top level based on their activity.
Predicting the Next Upsurge of Popular Topics
Both the chatroom administrators as well as the users constantly seek future prevailing subjects. If it is a burning social issue, new technology, or entertainment, being able to do so is precisely what may bolster the attractiveness of chatrooms to their users. Persistent growth in the volume and activity of these audiences will be experienced by those resources that promptly create therapeutic forums for trending topics.
Most Popular Chatroom Topics That Will Certainly Emerge In the Future:
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Sustainable Living and Eco-Friendly Practices: With the increasing global awareness of climate change, there will be a shift in the direction that chat room discussions will focus on sustainable living. They will focus mainly on sharing ideas, and materials, and talking about ways of living sustainably.
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Blockchain and Cryptocurrency: The technology of blockchain and the whole trend of cryptocurrency is still likely to be an ever-enticing subject among fellow forum members.
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Mental Health and Well-Being: As the world continues to focus on mental health issues, there will be more and more discussion forums on the sources of the problems self-care, and support which will be a very popular subject
Conclusion
The reason many chat rooms are still being used is because there are always interesting issues and current topics. It is through these conversations that users can interact with each other and share their experiences and people even establish relationships. Busy discussing current trends in newscasts, participating in comparative analysis of the newest dramas, or just posting their most important events, chat rooms have finally emerged as a hub for almost everyone who goes online. Talk to strangers in free chat rooms online without registration and meet new people and make new friends in anonymous text chat rooms as well as voice chat with random people and video chatrooms online. Talk With Stranger gives you access to thousands of free chat sites and free chat apps where you can talk to strangers and chat with strangers online without making any account. You can also make audio calls to strangers and phone call strangers online and chat free with random people.
A popular topic serves as a lure for a majority of newcomers, while a daily topic prevents the conversation from going stale. They constitute the keystones of a new order where the peripheral theoretical boundary actively exists as users all over the world converge, interact, and seek connection.
The landscape of chat rooms is very broad, rapidly changing, and accurately represents the current level of interest of the users. No matter whether you want to participate in discussions about popular matters around the world or express your opinion concerning other topics of the current day, a random chatroom like TalkWithStranger represents a great opportunity to stay in touch with diverse people.