A glimpse into an ancient religion almost forgotten.

[Silhouette]

@Scottish Fair enough, I see your point. I may have come across as excessively rude. I'm honest in my speech, I do not sugar-coat my opinions to make them palatable to the general public.

@sarah_the_magpie I apologize.

@Thales_BG Do not talk about things you do not know about. My country was slaughtered for most of the 20th century, yet we persevered. Both Stalin and Hitler wanted to make my people history and put them into extermination camps like cattle, and yet we're still here. Why?
Because God was watching over us and gave us strength to survive whatever calamities the godless despots tried to impose upon us. Faith saved us, and it will bring salvation to everyone who puts their trust in Him.

I am not a "hateful incel idiot" nor a "fucking Jihadist" as you so lovingly called me, I'm simply a traditional man with conservative views. Am I not allowed to have my beliefs simply because you find them inconvenient?
I don't hate women and I don't harbor any ill will towards irreligious people. I simply can't stand vapidity, stupidity, and degeneracy. I WILL call out these characteristics whenever I see them.
But I yield to your point and admit that I was wrong to accuse Sarah of being vapid. Her post history suggest a level of intelligence I was not aware of beforehand.

Last but not least: I agree, Opeth and Tool are fucking awesome.

@pe7erpark3r Interesting thoughts. I'm highly aware of my weaknesses and I praise them. I derive strength from knowing what they are.

The way I see it, God is with the weak in order to show them the way towards acquiring inner spiritual strength through faith in Him. But your interpretation is also correct. It is true that you cannot force someone to accept Christ as their Lord without their previous consent, and it would be immoral to do so. Love can never be forced.

I am interested in gaining power and victory in my personal life, but only in the name of God. I always subordinate my earthly desires to the teachings of the Bible. I may be excessively prideful, but none of us are perfect.

[Xandoré_BG]

@Silhouette I am well aware of the terror both Stalin and Hitler brought upon your people. Religion and God didn't do anything to stop them both. Don't misplace your trust dude. God and faith may have brought resilience to your people, that I would agree, but if it were for this God you call strong, stallin and Hitler would have done their evil deeds way longer then they did (Hitler was Catholic after all and the pope authorized and even blessed his maniacal quest). Glad you admitted you were rude and unnecessarily aggressive towards Sarah. Also, I never said you couldn't share your strong, harsh opinions about this topic, and I don't find it inconvenient, but I think since you were so harsh about it and didn't sugar coated your hateful speech, I thought about giving you a small dose of your own medicine. Unsweetened trollish reply. Full force. Br huehue style with some extra class.

PS: my favorite song by Tool would probably be laterallus (not for the whole fibonnacci stuff but the message) and from opeth I would have to say I think the whole Deliverance album would be my pick.

[pe7erpark3r]

@Indrid-Cold said in A glimpse into an ancient religion almost forgotten.:

@pe7erpark3r No way, pal. Alan Moore is the Ju-Ju master, where you can read it backwards, upsidedown and you still get hidden stuff ala The Shining. And Dave Gibbons is such a cool artist. Precise, shrunk-down art that's Cinebook quality? U got it. Not a standard colour palette? Not a problem. BELIEVE THE HYPE.

Good to know. Now I feel tempted to read a comic again, dang :joy:

[pe7erpark3r]

@Thales_BG said in A glimpse into an ancient religion almost forgotten.:

Hitler was Catholic after all and the pope authorized and even blessed his maniacal quest

The pope did not authorize or bless the quest. He should have said more than he did. But literally nobody thought, that Hitler would actually go that far. I mean the brits and the americans both knew of his manical hatred and his ideas and even the concentration camps and did not try to end him. They thought he wasn't that dangerous on the one side, and they did not want to heaten up the situation on the other. Stupid in hindsight yeah...

Hitler was catholic on paper... In truth he was an occultist. He collected relics thinking they would bring him power. But that has literally nothing to do with the christian faith. I mean the guy killed thousands of catholics :shrug:, there are quite a few catholic saints that died in concentration camps. You might want to get your history straight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany

[Xandoré_BG]

@pe7erpark3r I retract my words on that topic, seems like I was mistaken. Although my belief that saying that "God" and "Christ" did anything to resolve that situation is just being somewhat blind to the reality hasn't changed. some good christians helped, some bad christians made things worst. That's how it goes. And that whole "Christian on paper" thing is a very good tool to avoid linking religiousity into world problems... let's try that next time a Muslim terrorist do some shit... He was muslim "on Paper"... I mean, we really need to see things as they are, not as they should be.

[pe7erpark3r]

@Thales_BG said in A glimpse into an ancient religion almost forgotten.:

@pe7erpark3r I retract my words on that topic, seems like I was mistaken. Although my belief that saying that "God" and "Christ" did anything to resolve that situation is just being somewhat blind to the reality hasn't changed. some good christians helped, some bad christians made things worst. That's how it goes.

Yap. Too many bad christians out there :sweat_smile:

And that whole "Christian on paper" thing is a very good tool to avoid linking religiousity into world problems... let's try that next time a Muslim terrorist do some shit... He was muslim "on Paper"... I mean, we really need to see things as they are, not as they should be.

I think we should always differentiate.

I can show clearly that Hitler was not following christian morality, nor did he go to church every sunday... Most of the things he did contradicted the christian faith. I mean the catholic church even makes it really easy to define what a catholic is: you are catholic if you believe a certain list of things, and act accordingly. Hitler did neither.

Let's take the muslim terrorist. Imagine the newspaper headline: muslim terrorist bombs newspaper. Seems clear right? However there certainly are enough newspaper outlets today who would use this exact headline, when the guy in fact was fired by the newspaper because his new boss was a Nazi... But yeah, if a muslim terrorist is motivated by fundamentalistic doctrine, which definitely is the most common thing, you are absolutely right. We should be clear and honest about such things.

[Scottish]

@Silhouette fair enough to you to silhouette, it takes courage to admit when you are wrong

[Silhouette]

@Thales_BG Understood. No hard feelings.

You have an excellent taste in music. Lateralus is a quality song, with powerful lyrics. My chosen Tool track would be Ænema, but Lateralus would be a close second. Deliverance is also a wise pick.

[MarsAttacks]

Zoroastrians are plenty dude... i know lots of them. basically as far as i know it used to be the dominant religion in persia/iran till islam made a hostile take over and they all fled.
And btw its a very deep and meaningfull, more than christianity or islam..

[Xandoré_BG]

@MarsAttacks well, they seem to be very scarce outta India and Iran, but I agree with your point about being very deep and meaningfull. seems like that. I have to say "Core" Christian and Muslim are extremely deep, although equally hard to grasp due to thousands of years of corruption and straight up mistranslation. But they also had a very deep and meaningfull message and core values before they started killing everyone.

[MarsAttacks]

@Thales_BG I live in Cyprus mate. Were pretty tolerant here :v: Yeah haha in Iran you dont find any I think. The regime is very strict and the ppl that follow it are a bit... different lol.
Regarding religions Islam and Cristianity are a bit twisted nowadays. And...Christianity killed more people than Hitler lol.

[Xandoré_BG]

@MarsAttacks Oh really? Cyprus? Cheers dude, I heard about how the new generation there is kinda getting over the whole turkish/greek situation going on there. is that right? also... I double checked, They say there are some Iranians zoroastrians, but maybe they dont live in Iran, i'm not sure. would need to watch the video again to be sure. but, yeah, Iranm doesn't seem like the most welcoming place when it comes to religious liberties.

[MarsAttacks]

@Thales_BG Yeah kindoff guess the mentality is shifting but it will take a loooong time before everyone accepts the situation. And... its a bit more complicated than greek/turkish. Baxsically, were Cypriots. Greek/c and Turkish/c. Theres a lot of opposing ideals going around, Some support that were Greek period. Some dont like the Greeks caused they screwed us over again and again. Some dont like the Turkish occupation. Some dont like the T/c either even though this was their home long bfr 74 events. and a handfull of ppl, with whom i associate my beliefs, put everything in the past and dont care about it. Shit happens. It happened over 40 years ago. Its not changing so... why should I view the subject and ppl in a negative light?
Yeah lots of Persians are zoroastrians but fled the country. have a lot of prrrsian friends and cquaintances. Cool ppl. I like he lingo too.

[Xandoré_BG]

@MarsAttacks let's hope it can settle down for real in the future then, I've learned a bit about cyprus history, it is a very interesting place.
Lots of archeological sites as well

[MarsAttacks]

@Silhouette you just revealed your level.. We're not gonna bother downvoting you blab all you like, it doesnt make a difference.

[MarsAttacks]

@Thales_BG yep before ottoman occupation it was Greek. A lot of of ancient Greek ruins. Outside my city weve got an Apollo temple. Mehh Cypriots are very stubborn. Some idiots even want to increase our military, like the fact that turkey is kinda a superpower and if they wanted too invade we wouldnt withstand more than 24 hours before game over no matter how advanced our military is. Seriously..tsts

[Xandoré_BG]

@MarsAttacks Oh yeah... militaristic dudes are everywhere and no reason seem to penetrate their thick dumbskull sometimes... I mean... in here (brazil) we had people saying we should start making preparations to "defend our Sovereignty against whichever enemies", I mean, we couldn't even defend our country from a mexican cartel.

[MarsAttacks]

@Thales_BG No offense that president of yours and the regime are prickly! God damn fascist pig. Ours is a thieving lying bastard but nobody knows him or cares lol. Brazil huh? Shweet

[Xandoré_BG]

@MarsAttacks Bolsonaro is just a captain of the army. dude was never supposed to run a god damned country as messy as this one. But, you how it is... Democracy doesn't always work out the way it was supposed to... People are just dumb dude. everywhere, people are dumb.

[MarsAttacks]

@Thales_BG I concure... And its getting worse. Politics are a chaos today. Different everywhere. Democracy now seems a bit like an illusion, a lie we keep telling ourselves. mehhh fuck it all. Mooney and profit and capital is driving this bus..:/