Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.

[Rex]

What do you think what could help us people to regain hope or not give up in the first place? Personally I'd say the type of people those are sympathetic and never talk around your back and got a lot of patience. I do not mean the professional people who do this for a living.

[S_Dawn]

@rex I don't mean to sound negative, but as a person who was recently diagnosed with severe depression because of being bullied my whole life, I believe there's not much hope left. If you look at where our society has gone and where it's heading things will just keep getting worse and suicide will become a normal thing.

[RODIN]

@oasis that's right never give up

[Sir Devil]

@boujee-babe Although I do agree that looking at the direction the society is headed, things would get worse and suicide would become more frequent, I don't think that there's no hope left. People could be helped. They could be saved. It depends on the person. For some people, a companion is all that's needed and for some people, a more serious therapy is all needed. We should not lose hope. All around me I'm seeing people committing suicide along with people getting helped. Life's not black and white. Just don't lose hope.

[TheStrangest]

@Boujee-Babe and @Sir-Devil can you justify your belief that humanity is heading towards the worst. I would love to understand your perspectives since i feel like humanity can only improve from here

In either way we can all take something from this guy:

@girlwhois16 This is my favourite comedian and my 3rd favourite philosopher. . The guy i was watching this morning. I have watched 99% of his material and have all his books

[TheStrangest]

@sir-devil makes sense but technological advancement means improvement of human civilization. We're eventually going interstellar most likely in the 21st century and that's going to be great.

Genetic modification is getting easier by the second and we'd eventually be able to improve physical and mental health since a lot of the time genetic factors play into that too and just having a better level of hormonal balance caused by better physical health would help.

Scientists are working to make the average human lifespan(most likely the average financially well-off human lifespan) reach 1000 and they're saying that the first person to live to 1000/ be able to live to 1000 has most likely already been born.

https://www.google.fr/amp/s/futurism.com/aging-expert-person-1000-born/amp/

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/05/31/if-youre-alive-in-30-years-its-likely-you-will-be-alive-in-1000-years/

[TheStrangest]

@girlwhois16 said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

@thestrangest I accord with him except how he says that saving the planet isn't important. Yes, I understand the need to save ourselves before anything else. The planet evolves yes, I know. And even in the worst condition, it's going to renew, maybe even better than before.

I wonder how you are going to follow this up

But the kind of harm that we're causing it isn't about the planet anymore. It's now about the population that thrives here. How can we not care about that?

You mean the species on earth.

You mean the 99% of all species that have ever lived are extinct. We didn't kill them all

Yes, we are all on the highway to Death but who doesn't want to live a little longer? (Even the guy wishes to live a thousand years more) And by saving the planet by just doing our small bit, we can (I'm not sure but giving it a try won't hurt?).

I think i already answered this in my previous post

Also, it's not an argument that I'm starting. .

It can become one

Trust me, I can very well contradict my own opinions. I'm just the one to look at possibilities, even if there are a million of them.

He was making a reference to one of his bits. Not actually performing it. You should wztch it to understand what he was saying

[TheStrangest]

@sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

@thestrangest What you are saying is assumptions and speculation.

Maybe but most of what i mentioned will definitely happen. Isn't that improvement in many ways

It's not confirmed that it could happen.

Let's see. The trip to mars will 100% happen if we don't go extinct before the end of the 22nd century. Aging will definitely be solved at most by the 23d century because improvements in the search to cure aging are really fast. The ways of Genetic modification have already been created we just need practice. What's left

When we are talking about these things, things that are prevalent now, we should only use things that are confirmed and supported. Yes, we could be enhanced using Genetic modification but what if, they massively fuck up.

I doubt that's very likely just because it takes a lot of tests to get a pass to test on humans or finally make genetic modification widespread

Hell, what if we end up in a post-apocalyptic world with no future.

AI might do that. But my argument is that i don't think things are more likely to go to shit at least because we're definitely going interstellar.

Or more realistically, what if no one gives permission to utilize it and some end up doing it which in turns causes the general populace to hate it.

Religious bullshit might cause that in the US and other religious countries but not every country and when it gets widespread in non-religious countries it will eventually spread to religious ones. This is if religion doesn't generally disappear in the future.

Are you sure such things won't happen?

They're unlikely. Being f'd by AI is much more likely

What if we never attain interstellar?

It will most likely happen by the end of the 21st century. SpaceX and nasa are planning on reaching mars by 2025

What if we achieve but it not good and really stressful with a class-based hierarchy?

That would still be better than being stuck on earth. Who cares about this possibility. Class gaps do not annoy me aslong as everyone gets the basics like a house, food, education and Internet.

It's more likely to happen than anything.

Yeh we are differently going to mars

[TheStrangest]

@girlwhois16 sure

[TheStrangest]

Fuck my life. Here we go again
@sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

@thestrangest

It will take around 200-300 years

That's just a speculation. It might take longer. Then again, 300 years is too long of a time. With the current direction the world is going on, it way too long. There's a lot of chance for many things to go wrong within that time period. I said that it would take more than 200 years but actually, it's just the time required to pump enough CO2 and other stuff to melt its polar ice caps. There's a chance that the artificial atmosphere won't hold up. Even if it holds up, there' nothing one can do about the missing magnetic field.

500 years would not be much. If going interplanetary on a planet where we can comfortably stay takes 1000 years it would be good enough. My point is that aslong as we move some people to mars even if they can't live there comfortably then we won't go extinct if something bad happens on earth

Didn't i say " X will happen,.... Y will happen and L will happen ASLONG AS NOTHING HORRIBLY BAD HAPPENS before X date" like a hundred times

No, you said that things I suggested are unlikely to happen which is in line with my statement.

I said both. I actually said that atleast 2 times

Example:

WHAT is not confirmed to happen. In my 1st statement i only said "Definitely". We are definitely going to mars, curing aging, becoming able to do advanced genetic modification and what else did i say. As long as nothing horrible happens before the end of the 23rd century all of that will definitely happen

leaving the possibility of a disaster open along with your statements of nuclear being unlikely. Then when you provided stats and whatever i said k a nuclear disaster isn't too unlikely

They're unlikely.

Now you are contradicting yourself.

Where did i say "They're unlikely" in my previous reply? I did not

Yeh but anti-vaxxers are rare, right. When it comes to big outcry against something like stem cell research it's always religious people

Now, this hilarious and sad. They have brought an outbreak of measles which was cured years ago.

https://www.wired.com/2017/05/anti-vaxxers-brought-war-minnesota-came-measles/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/doctor-blames-andrew-wakefield-son-catching-measles-vaccine-mmr-autism-anti-vaxxers-measles-a7813001.html

This is sad but doesn't prove that anti-vaxxers aren't rare. Just proves that a significant enough quantity of them exists. How many anti-vaxxers are there

Do i really have to. This can't be the first time you've heard about religious people opposing embryonic or normal stem cell research. I'm not going to provide statistics you go do your homework. Here's a simple explanation of what's happening

They oppose stem cell research but are they the major reason for underdevelopment in Stem Cell Research?

YES

You said that they are holding it back but how?

Banning government funding in the US for like 10 years, having religious leaders like the pope being against embryonic stem cell research, and still having "religious activists" working against it . Watch the fucking vids I'm not an expert on this shit

Are they actively preventing or disturbing the research?

YES

I said that I'm not able to find any source for it. I'm repeating your statement to yourself.

The videos are notable sources from the first video being a neurologist and philosopher talking about the topic and the others coming from science shows. They all say that about religion. You should fucking watch them instead of asking questions already answered in them. All i know is that government funding was banned for like 10 years for religious motives starting from when G. Bush signed the ban to when Obama lifted it, that there are still protests against the research today, that muslim leaders are against the whole idea of stem cell research and that the pope is against embryonic stem cell research

You made the statement. You have the burden of proof

You are contradicting yourself again.

NO. You do not pull the "burden of proof" card o justify your ignorance on a topic 8/10 adults know about. You are being obnoxious. The videos were generous enough. If you are too lazy to watch them? Good for you. You want text to read? Look for it yourself

[TheStrangest]

@thestrangest not to mention that the videos were actually enough

[Sir Devil]

@thestrangest said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

Immoral according to religious beliefs. This is a religious reason

Immoral doesn't mean religion. It means that it doesn't conform to views of morality. You were the one to argue that religion is not necessary for morality.

This is just not even a reason to not do development of cells and tissue

That's not a reason to ban funding for research. If anything that means that we needed more reseach to understand how to grow adult tissue. We now know much more and can do things like this : https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.popsci.com/amp/scientists-grow-transplantable-hearts-with-stem-cells&ved=2ahUKEwiY--eDnJvZAhUBDOwKHUumBWAQFjAAegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw2NHXqUsufKusPHLB37snC0

This is plain stupid. You are citing an article written in 2016 against a article written in 1998. The point is, how could the people know about this when they are not even able to grow most cells, which makes them think that they are unnecessary which in turn makes them oppose it.

[Sir Devil]

@thestrangest said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

THAT'S THE ONLY ANTI E.S.C. RESEARCH ANSWERS AND ITS RELIGIOUS=EVERYONE WHO WAS AGAINST STEM CELL RESEARCH WAS USING RELIGIOUS LOGIC

THEY ARE RELIGIOUS STATEMENTS

NO FUCKING WAY FOR SECULAR MORALITY TO OPPOSE ESC RESEARCH BECAUSE YOU PRIMARILY NEED TO BELIEVE THE A EMRYO IS A SACRED LIFE FORM WITH A SOUL TO OPPOSE ESC RESEARCH THEREFORE THE ETHICS WAS RELIGIOUS. FUUUUUUUCK. HOW IS THIS NO CLEAR TO YOU

How many times should I repeat? We are talking about a period almost 20 years ago. Back then, it wasn't a widespread knowledge that the embryo can't be considered to be life. Back then, in this context, Secular ethics is not much different from Religious ethics. Can't you see the point?! Back then, almost everyone thought that the embryo was just a tiny form of the baby and thus, killing it would be similar to killing a baby. I will repeat again, it was not a widespread knowledge that embryo can't be considered to be a baby. To have that thought, one doesn't need to think that baby has a soul, he just needs to look at that as a tiny baby.

He thinks that the embryo is a life because of religious reasons like he said "sacred gift from our creator" and the ethics he was holding are religious ethics. Or did you mean burrow of ethics, yeah they also believed it was sacred life and should be preserved because of religious reasons since that's not what scientists stood for at the time and they're not scientists.

Like I said, I don't have anything on bush's statement

Do your own research please. It is very known among secularists and scientists that the reason for the ban of funding stem cell research is strictly religious. I was only explaining this to you, it has always been proven

I have shown you stuff that proved my point that ban was not strictly due to religion. Here's more
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2726839/
http://www.pewforum.org/2008/07/17/stem-cell-research-at-the-crossroads-of-religion-and-politics/

We are stuck in a loop. This is getting nowhere.
This would be my last. I quit.

[oasis]

I've been through it a lot and its a tough experienced. When your depressed you feel lost, you'll become a silent type of person, you can sleep like 12 hours straight without eating or just sleep inside your dark room, and when you tried to talk to someone you feel worst. I mean they don't understand you or either way. But its not helping you at all. The only thing that can help you is you yourself. You have to be strong and stand on your own feet. If your depressed you can go for a walk, drink, jog or exercise, watch movie, or write something in your diaries. Try to do those things that you think will make you fine even though drinking is bad or going to club is bad but doing it is a first step for me. Many people judge me for being a bad girl. Yes I am but actually they don't know I'm depressed. I rather drink and go clubbing than lacking myself inside the room and think about killing myself. Well, as time passes by when maybe your used in doing those bad things you'll realied something worth like I am lost, I have to change, I mean I have to value myself... And those thoughts will awaken you and maybe you'll find your way out of depression. But to tell you honestly depression don't come once. It is in us already. You might be depressed again but you know what to do when it happen next time around. We have to live with it but we must learn to adjust. For as time passes by you'll get stronger ever than before.

Your soul might be weak but strong enough to withstand depression.

[oasis]

@r0din Yap. hehe

[Stranger_Danger]

@oasis yes,depression didnt come at once..for 2 years owing to change of surrounding,moving away from friends ,no internet (yes,that can happen) & hence no people to talk with ,No phone ..no way to share things ...just basic human interaction ..(No i wasnt in juvenile prison ,but sometimes i felt like i was )...I crashed,fell into a deep depression

i was always so tired ...sleep for 14 hours straight ,yet dont want to get out of bed

...food started to lose its taste ,i started eating spicier food just so that i could enjoy eating

..I didnt care how i looked ,didnt take care of keeping fit anymore..

Started to have low confidence,couldnt even do things that I was doing handily just some months ago,just doubts everywhere...even where i was sure i was right,i got others to double check my results..

Dealing with other people was the worst,especially relatives, people I knew ... offers of help seemed to worsen things for me.

Its only when people left me alone ,i got to retreat in my own room(seems different from yours..i just wanted people to leave me alone) ,got onto the internet(a few years later & i had it then) & worked on what i loved ,talked with new people ,that i started to get back to how i was..

The more I did what i loved -(game creation,stock market,AI,machine learning application ) ,
Collaborated on projects & talked with people halfway across the world whom i didnt even know ..the more i felt better.
Strange how people who dont know you,can understand you better .

Its been a few years ,but I'm okay ...I have managed to work things out,get fit...but the most scariest thing for me in depression was the hit to my self confidence & self-respect.

Now,I joke,i shitpost ....now i cant even fathom how i was ever that quiet,inconfident person ...it's like a cloud of suffering was on me.

[oasis]

@stranger_danger I understand that feeling you felt before. Its so hard. I've been depressed last few months and still in the process of regaining myself again. But Im doing great now. And I'm happy to hear that your doing well because its really not easy to be depressed. Its like hell

[TheStrangest]

@thestrangest said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

@megatron said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

@thestrangest i have been diagnosed by many doctors, don’t act like you know everything. How fucking rude.

Sorry i forgot i was talking to you, thought you were a random teenager

Hey the people who disliked my statement
1st must be blind not to not realise that a lot of teens just diagnose themselves with depression as if it's just a synonym for sadness
2nd can suck my dick :)

[ninni]

@rex i agree as those type of people are like modern day healers and best people to be friends with

[S_Dawn]

@sir-devil ive been sent to a mental hospital ive been through counciling ive tried everything and nothing has changed i still wish i could just end it but i havent

[Sir Devil]

@boujee-babe I'm sorry for you and hope the best for you. I do hope that your life would get better. That's all that we can do. Hope for the best and move forward. We don't know what our future holds. For many, it works out in their favor. So, no matter what we can only endure it an move on because suicide is not the end.

[Sir Devil]

@thestrangest We would be achieving more and more technological advancement but most probably the mental health would go down. It's been the pattern.

https://www.befrienders.org/suicide-statistics
http://www.familyaware.org/who-2017-depression-report/
https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/statistics

Statistics would not lie. Unless something great happens, the patterns just going to continue. It's due to a multitude of factors. Some of the factors like increasing cost of living, population density, and increased competition could not be changed. Particularly the increasing population density is really bad. Just take a look at countries like South Korea and Japan which has one of the highest amounts of population density. The increase in the competition which had brought about an increase in expectation has resulted in it having one of the highest suicidal rates.

[girlwhois18]

@thestrangest I accord with him except how he says that saving the planet isn't important. Yes, I understand the need to save ourselves before anything else. The planet evolves yes, I know. And even in the worst condition, it's going to renew, maybe even better than before. But the kind of harm that we're causing it isn't about the planet anymore. It's now about the population that thrives here. How can we not care about that? Yes, we are all on the highway to Death but who doesn't want to live a little longer? (Even the guy wishes to live a thousand years more) And by saving the planet by just doing our small bit, we can (I'm not sure but giving it a try won't hurt?).
Also, it's not an argument that I'm starting. .
Trust me, I can very well contradict my own opinions. I'm just the one to look at possibilities, even if there are a million of them.

[Sir Devil]

@thestrangest What you are saying is assumptions and speculation. It's not confirmed that it could happen. When we are talking about these things, things that are prevalent now, we should only use things that are confirmed and supported. Yes, we could be enhanced using Genetic modification but what if, they massively fuck up. Hell, what if we end up in a post-apocalyptic world with no future. Or more realistically, what if no one gives permission to utilize it and some end up doing it which in turns causes the general populace to hate it. Are you sure such things won't happen? What if we never attain interstellar? What if we achieve but it not good and really stressful with a class-based hierarchy? It's more likely to happen than anything.

[Sir Devil]

@thestrangest and technological advancement doesn't necessarily mean the improvement of human civilization.

[TheStrangest]

@sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

@thestrangest and technological advancement doesn't necessarily mean the improvement of human civilization.

True but it does 99% of the time. Since technology involves everything used from cognitive science, earth/space science, computer science, médecin...

[girlwhois18]

Yeh we are differently going to mars

It's been a minute and I can't stop laughing at this one.

[TheStrangest]

@girlwhois16 why

[girlwhois18]

@thestrangest Explaining a joke doesn't keep the humour going.

[Sir Devil]

@thestrangest Going to mars doesn't mean interstellar and mars is not a viable place to survive. It's not going to be good option to live there.

Just look at your statement and see how many times you have used the words "Likely". It shows that they are not confirmed to happen. Then what are you arguing against? I said,

When we are talking about these things, things that are prevalent now, we should only use things that are confirmed and supported.

They're unlikely. Being f'd by AI is much more likely

Why are they unlikely? Are you sure about the probability? Are you suggesting that you have something that supports your belief that those are unlikely?

Who cares about this possibility

How many dystopian novels have you read? If such class hierarchy is going to exist, common people won't most probably get enough of their basic needs.

[Sir Devil]

@thestrangest said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

Religious bullshit might cause that in the US and other religious countries but not every country and when it gets widespread in non-religious countries it will eventually spread to religious ones. This is if religion doesn't generally disappear in the future.

Yeah, blame it on religion. I have one word for you, "Anti-vaxxers".

[girlwhois18]

@TheStrangest

You mean the 99% of all species that have ever lived are instinct. We didn't kill them all

extinct*

[TheStrangest]

@sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

@thestrangest Going to mars doesn't mean interstellar and mars is not a viable place to survive.

Ok. Interplanetary*

It will become a viable place to live after simple modifications

It's not going to be good option to live there.

WHY

Just look at your statement and see how many times you have used the words "Likely".

K. I didn't but sure

It shows that they are not confirmed to happen.

WHAT is not confirmed to happen. In my 1st statement i only said "Definitely". We are definitely going to mars, curing aging, becoming able to do advanced genetic modification and what else did i say. As long as nothing horrible happens before the end of the 23rd century all of that will definitely happen

Then what are you arguing against? I said,

When we are talking about these things, things that are prevalent now, we should only use things that are confirmed and supported.

WE ARE

They're unlikely. Being f'd by AI is much more likely

Why are they unlikely? Are you sure about the probability? Are you suggesting that you have something that supports your belief that those are unlikely?

You made the statement. You have the burden of proof to say that they're likely

Who cares about this possibility

How many dystopian novels have you read? If such class hierarchy is going to exist, common people won't most probably get enough of their basic needs.

The population on mars won't be big enough for such a possibility anyways. Would it

[TheStrangest]

@girlwhois16 autocorrect

[girlwhois18]

@thestrangest sure.

[TheStrangest]

@sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

@thestrangest said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

Religious bullshit might cause that in the US and other religious countries but not every country and when it gets widespread in non-religious countries it will eventually spread to religious ones. This is if religion doesn't generally disappear in the future.

Yeah, blame it on religion. I have one word for you, "Anti-vaxxers".

What is that supposed to mean. The only thing holding back things like stem cell research is religion. If genetic modification will be held back by superstition it will be religious superstition. In either case i don't know what anti-vaxxers have to do with this

[girlwhois18]

@thestrangest Why isn't stem cell research also termed as yet another arrogant attempt by humans to control nature?

[TheStrangest]

@girlwhois16 said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

@thestrangest Why isn't stem cell research also termed as yet another arrogant attempt by humans to control nature?

😑 because it's important. Not to mention it being fun

[TheStrangest]

@girlwhois16 i don't know how trying to remove human imperfections like cancer is arrogant. Stem cell research helps with cancer research

[TheStrangest]

@girlwhois16 along with many other illnesses but i don't know what they are. I'm not an expert on stem cell research. I just know it's important

[Sir Devil]

@thestrangest

simple modifications

Yeah, a Simple modification that requires planning and execution that would require at least 200 hundred years. For one, it doesn't have an atmosphere, then it's doesn't have a magnetic field and also, the temperature variation is too high. We can set up base stations on mars but we won't be able to make it into a habitual planet.

http://www.science20.com/robert_inventor/blog/ten_reasons_not_to_live_on_mars_great_place_to_explore-118531
https://www.popsci.com/how-did-mars-lose-its-atmosphere
http://time.com/4845251/mars-life-toxins-microbes/

K. I didn't but sure

Why are you adamant about disagreeing with me? Just take a look and see if you have used the word "likely"?

You made the statement. You have the burden of proof to say that they're likely

here you go,
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/here-are-5-ways-the-unthinkable-could-happen-nuclear-war-21522
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170821-how-prepared-are-we-for-the-impact-of-a-nuclear-war

and for the dystopian, I don't have to present a proof. It's been the way all these years. It's likely to happen again.

Then again, these things are probable. Are you sure that they won't happen? I used to the word "What if" to illustrate such themes which shows that they are not confirmed to happen but do have a chance to happen.

The population on mars won't be big enough for such a possibility anyways. Would it

One, if the population is big enough then that means it is not a good option. Two, in case of a small number of people leaving the planet, who do you think is more likely to be allowed to survive. Intelligent people; bullshit.

What is that supposed to mean. The only thing holding back things like stem cell research is religion. If genetic modification will be held back by superstition it will be religious superstition. In either case i don't know what anti-vaxxers have to do with this

In case you didn't understand, I presented the "Anti-vaxxers" as a proof to show that people can oppose useful things without basing it on religion an why do you think that stem cell therapy is held back by religion? Do you have any proof to offer? I can't find anything to show that religion is a responsible for hold back stem cell research.

[TheStrangest]

@sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

@thestrangest

simple modifications

Yeah, a Simple modification that requires planning and execution that would require at least 200 hundred years.

Yes that's simple. 200 years is nothing compared to the future 1000 year old human lifespan.

For one, it doesn't have an atmosphere, then it's doesn't have a magnetic field and also, the temperature variation is too high. We can set up base stations on mars but we won't be able to make it into a habitual planet.

You said it. It will take around 200-300 years. That's nothing

http://www.science20.com/robert_inventor/blog/ten_reasons_not_to_live_on_mars_great_place_to_explore-118531

https://www.popsci.com/how-did-mars-lose-its-atmosphere
http://time.com/4845251/mars-life-toxins-microbes/

K. I didn't but sure

Why are you adamant about disagreeing with me? Just take a look and see if you have used the word "likely"?

I said i agreed without looking. Still didn't look

You made the statement. You have the burden of proof to say that they're likely

here you go,
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/here-are-5-ways-the-unthinkable-could-happen-nuclear-war-21522
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170821-how-prepared-are-we-for-the-impact-of-a-nuclear-war

K you got me here

and for the dystopian, I don't have to present a proof. It's been the way all these years. It's likely to happen again.

Then again, these things are probable. Are you sure that they won't happen? I used to the word "What if" to illustrate such themes which shows that they are not confirmed to happen but do have a chance to happen.

Didn't i say " X will happen,.... Y will happen and L will happen ASLONG AS NOTHING HORRIBLY BAD HAPPENS before X date" like a hundred times

The population on mars won't be big enough for such a possibility anyways. Would it

One, if the population is big enough then that means it is not a good option.

Not true. It is a good place to survive if something bad happens on earth

Two, in case of a small number of people leaving the planet, who do you think is more likely to be allowed to survive. Intelligent people; bullshit.

Rich and intelligent people. Yes

What is that supposed to mean. The only thing holding back things like stem cell research is religion. If genetic modification will be held back by superstition it will be religious superstition. In either case i don't know what anti-vaxxers have to do with this

In case you didn't understand, I presented the "Anti-vaxxers" as a proof to show that people can oppose useful things without basing it on religion

Yeh but anti-vaxxers are rare, right. When it comes to big outcry against something like stem cell research it's always religious people

and why do you think that stem cell therapy is held back by religion?

Because it is. It is widely known that it is you can't oppose me on this one

Do you have any proof to offer?

Do i really have to. This can't be the first time you've heard about religious people opposing embryonic or normal stem cell research. I'm not going to provide statistics you go do your homework. Here's a simple explanation of what's happening

Atheist on the topic:

Other:

I can't find anything to show that religion is a responsible for hold back stem cell research.

Search better. This is too widely known for you not to know this

[TheStrangest]

@sir-devil i didn't even watch all those vids halfway through. But I'm sure they'll put you up to speed on stem cell research

[Sir Devil]

@thestrangest

It will take around 200-300 years

That's just a speculation. It might take longer. Then again, 300 years is too long of a time. With the current direction the world is going on, it way too long. There's a lot of chance for many things to go wrong within that time period. I said that it would take more than 200 years but actually, it's just the time required to pump enough CO2 and other stuff to melt its polar ice caps. There's a chance that the artificial atmosphere won't hold up. Even if it holds up, there' nothing one can do about the missing magnetic field.

Didn't i say " X will happen,.... Y will happen and L will happen ASLONG AS NOTHING HORRIBLY BAD HAPPENS before X date" like a hundred times

No, you said that things I suggested are unlikely to happen which is in line with my statement.

They're unlikely.

Now you are contradicting yourself.

Yeh but anti-vaxxers are rare, right. When it comes to big outcry against something like stem cell research it's always religious people

Now, this hilarious and sad. They have brought an outbreak of measles which was cured years ago.

https://www.wired.com/2017/05/anti-vaxxers-brought-war-minnesota-came-measles/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/doctor-blames-andrew-wakefield-son-catching-measles-vaccine-mmr-autism-anti-vaxxers-measles-a7813001.html

Do i really have to. This can't be the first time you've heard about religious people opposing embryonic or normal stem cell research. I'm not going to provide statistics you go do your homework. Here's a simple explanation of what's happening

They oppose stem cell research but are they the major reason for underdevelopment in Stem Cell Research? You said that they are holding it back but how? Are they actively preventing or disturbing the research? I said that I'm not able to find any source for it. I'm repeating your statement to yourself.

You made the statement. You have the burden of proof

You are contradicting yourself again.

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500 years would not be much. If going interplanetary on a planet where we can comfortably stay takes 1000 years it would be good enough. My point is that aslong as we move some people to mars even if they can't live there comfortably then we won't go extinct if something bad happens on earth

And you have completely missed my point. I said that it was a long time because before it is completed, many things could happen. Life wars or economic depression. After all, all our natural resources are about to be used up. It is more than enough a reason for a possible war. There are lot of reason that it won't be allowed to proceed easily.

Where did i say "They're unlikely" in my previous reply? I did not

Look it up. You did. Why are even asking me? You can do it yourself. It was your statement after all.

This is sad but doesn't prove that anti-vaxxers aren't rare. Just proves that a significant enough quantity of them exists. How many anti-vaxxers are there

If there's a significant amount of them, then that means that they are not rare. Anyway, what about 20-25 % of all parents. Are they rare still?

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/2/15/14231266/anti-vaccine-movement-trump

Banning government funding in the US for like 10 years, having religious leaders like the pope being against embryonic stem cell research, and still having "religious activists" working against it . Watch the fucking vids I'm not an expert on this shit

Okay. Since you didn't give another source or not care enough to research it (which is not good move during a debate), I found out an article published back then.

https://www.nature.com/articles/21942

If you read it, you would find that although the opposition was started by 100 anti-aborters, where a portion of them was basing it on religion, it was successful only because they had the support of many doctors. The supporters of that protest include the former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), a former surgeon general, director of the Center for Clinical Bioethics at Georgetown University, Washington DC, and a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore.

That protest was successful due to a lack of research and information.
From this, it proves that I was in the right to pull that card of the burden of proof.

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@thestrangest said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

500 years would not be much. If going interplanetary on a planet where we can comfortably stay takes 1000 years it would be good enough. My point is that aslong as we move some people to mars even if they can't live there comfortably then we won't go extinct if something bad happens on earth

And you have completely missed my point. I said that it was a long time because before it is completed, many things could happen. Life wars or economic depression. After all, all our natural resources are about to be used up. It is more than enough a reason for a possible war. There are lot of reason that it won't be allowed to proceed easily.

And what then? We are going to get the people working on mars to get back to earth because a war or lack of resources is preventing us from improving living conditions on mars. Why would we not keep people on another planet during nuclear war if there's a chance of the human race going extinct. When it comes to natural resources running out i think SolarCity has got this one covered

Where did i say "They're unlikely" in my previous reply? I did not

Look it up. You did. Why are even asking me? You can do it yourself. It was your statement after all.

I LOOKED AND DIDN'T FIND IT. In the post i was talking about how i changed my opinion and agreed with you after you provided sources. Jeez. You have the purden of proof here too

This is sad but doesn't prove that anti-vaxxers aren't rare. Just proves that a significant enough quantity of them exists. How many anti-vaxxers are there

If there's a significant amount of them, then that means that they are not rare. Anyway, what about 20-25 % of all parents. Are they rare still?

Holy fucking shit

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/2/15/14231266/anti-vaccine-movement-trump

This is fucking insane

Banning government funding in the US for like 10 years, having religious leaders like the pope being against embryonic stem cell research, and still having "religious activists" working against it . Watch the fucking vids I'm not an expert on this shit

Okay. Since you didn't give another source or not care enough to research it (which is not good move during a debate), I found out an article published back then.

https://www.nature.com/articles/21942

If you read it, you would find that although the opposition was started by 100 anti-aborters

Huh. 100 anti-aborters = 100 religious people

where a portion of them was basing it on religion

Bullshit. All of them were. I haven't even read the article and I'm 100% sure that they were. Non-religioys anti-aborters are extremely rare. 1 in a million I'd say

it was successful only because they had the support of many doctors.

DOCTORS OPPOSING ANTI-ABORTERS wtf are you talking about. Doctors are the ones who want to be doing stem cell research in the 1st place. This is definitely in America where there aredoctors that don't believe in evolution

The supporters of that protest include the former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), a former surgeon general, director of the Center for Clinical Bioethics at Georgetown University, Washington DC, and a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore.

WHICH ARE ALL RELIGIOUS. The only reasons to protest against stem cell research are religious ones. Find me a case where somebody used a non-religious reason. There isn't

That protest was successful due to a lack of research and information.
From this, it proves that I was in the right to pull that card of the burden of proof.

No. The videos are proof enough. Watch the fucking videos. Go read the speach of G. Bush when he banned government funding of stem cell research if you want. That's plenty generous. The value of the proof doesn't change from text to video format

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@thestrangest said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

I said both. I actually said that atleast 2 times
Example:

WHAT is not confirmed to happen. In my 1st statement i only said "Definitely". We are definitely going to mars, curing aging, becoming able to do advanced genetic modification and what else did i say. As long as nothing horrible happens before the end of the 23rd century all of that will definitely happen

You are citing a counter-counter-argument against a counter-argument which was an argument against your statement. You can't cite something like that when we are talking about your statement; not you counter-statement. It was because I said that you said "Unlikely" in your original statement and you proceeded to deny it and now, you are saying that you said both while citing a counter-statement to my argument, which was not part of the thing we were arguing about.

Banning government funding in the US for like 10 years, having religious leaders like the pope being against embryonic stem cell research, and still having "religious activists" working against it . Watch the fucking vids I'm not an expert on this shit

Ooh... Getting hot, are we? If you can't keep calm during a debate why then involve in it.

Btw out of the three examples, only the first one has actively responsible for the underdevelopment of the research (which I have shown that religion was not the primary reason for its success) and other two are just "Opposing" it. They are just showing their disapproval. They are not cutting funds or destroying lab.

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@thestrangest You haven't even read the article. So, you have any power to give out assumptions that all of them are religious. If you got to say that, give us the proof.

and Non-religious reasons you ask, Here you go, (These are direct quotes from the article)

The statement was coordinated by the Center for Bioethics and Human Dignity in Bannockburn, Illinois. It was released at a press conference at which Senator Sam Brownback (Republican, Kansas) said that research on human embryonic stem cells is “immoral, illegal and unnecessary”.

Young, who served as FDA commissioner under President Ronald Reagan, compared the development of cell and tissue therapies from embryonic stem cells to the making of saddles from human skins by Nazi Germans.

John Gearhart, a professor of obstetrics and gynaecology at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, says it is unproven that stem cells from adult tissue can generate all the tissues of the body.

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@sir-devil like I said, it was a success due to a lack of research and information