Fact check with Pet: Overpopulation
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@OliveOlivia said in Fact check with Pet: Overpopulation:
@petrapark3r I agree with @DAD_ . We are smart, we will find a way to provide for our growing population even if it seems impossible. That's what we do. That is our job. However, its not the feeding them and providing for them that is the problem.
Its the devastation we will cause from being over populated. Sure, we can provide for all humanity, but when doing so we kill off so much of Earths natural life. We are already going through a world water crisis and an incredible decline in the amount of fishable sea food.Yeah, there are problems and we have to solve them. Overfishing is a big one. The oceans are actually the one place that we are fucking up most. But we can solve them. Did you know that 98% of all garbage in the oceans comes from asian countries? E.g. we (as in murrica and europe) are actually doing pretty good.
And here is the solution hidden btw. Once a country reaches a certain stage of development it starts caring. Especially the people who live in the big cities do. So. What we should do is speed up the under-developed countries to the point, where their cities start working for the environment and no longer against it.
We can fix our problems that we have created, we don't have to be doomed.
But in all honesty, I think we already are. I think were already on the path of doom but were walking at the beginning so we don't see the devastation we will arrive to at the end.Yeah, path of doom. Agree. We are on that. In many different ways. But we're also working on leaving it. Many of us are.
We don't have to be doomed, but the likely hood of anyone giving a rats butt about our planet and the life on it to actually improve not just the life of humans but for all living things-our earth as well- is almost 0.
I have seen so amazing initiatives, movies, campaigns... 0 is definitely not the number I would have put there...
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@Sup MY FRIEND HAD A PROJECT ON OVERPOPULATION AND SHE FAILED IT BECAUSE ITS A PRETTY HARD CONCEPT BUT AH YOURE RIGHT
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@Connor27 said in Fact check with Pet: Overpopulation:
@Sup MY FRIEND HAD A PROJECT ON OVERPOPULATION AND SHE FAILED IT BECAUSE ITS A PRETTY HARD CONCEPT BUT AH YOURE RIGHT
I'm pretty sure what I wrote up there might have made me fail too. Cause teachers these days can be quite ideologically posessed... The good teachers of course not... They are able to give you a good grade based on wether you can support your claims with arguments, even if they would disagree with your opinion...
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@petrapark3r Sadly, I have no good teachers :(
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@Connor27 said in Fact check with Pet: Overpopulation:
@petrapark3r Sadly, I have no good teachers :(
Wow, I didn't know things were so bad! Not a single good teacher :scream:. What is this world coming to?
Let's pay them more! Honestly. Pay teachers more. Then better people will take the job. And the bad people will have to become activists instead...
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@petrapark3r exactly! And no, I haven’t had a good teacher since preschool (I miss it so much 😪😪😪😪)
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Jokes aside I completely agree with you on the fact that 'overpoulation is a myth' infact it has become an incentive for people to stop it and there has been seen a boost in the economy as well. I mean there are probably many things which we can't solve and overpopulation is Not one of them. We can surely come up and control our population( now who's interested in living like trash in the near future) by introducing sound policies and plans. What's gotten me more worried is the fact that we are exploiting the resources...I mean we obviously have the renewable ones to replace them but not everything can be replaced. -
@petrapark3r thank you for your theory test. Yes the data is there, but by that alone Americans Should Be the welthiest on the planet per debt to income ratio. Is it true? No. In college, I was taught that these factors were "realistic numbers". Only true if EVERYTHING listed holds true. Example; I am on a limited income of roughly $800 USA with a margin of error +/- 20%. With 67% going to rent/food/medical treatment. That leaves less than 30% left, giving me an ability to invest or save this. Does this prove true ALL the time? How about your own income? Because the Federal Income Bracket/ Gross National Income and the Federal Trade Commission say I should be topping over $10,000 a month in my Savings account.
"I ain't the sharpest crayon in the day, but teaching a fish climb!?"
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Fascinating. Glad I read this cos I was about to write my will & testament and leave my body to the Soylent Green factory.
What will the hobbledhoy do instead of having kids? I think they'll spend the whole time writing Fortnite fan fiction, and it'll get so sophisticated, it'll be like a Samuel Beckett play but with Fortnite combatants.
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@Anastasia-Smith said in Fact check with Pet: Overpopulation:
Jokes aside I completely agree with you on the fact that 'overpoulation is a myth' infact it has become an incentive for people to stop it and there has been seen a boost in the economy as well. I mean there are probably many things which we can't solve and overpopulation is Not one of them. We can surely come up and control our population( now who's interested in living like trash in the near future) by introducing sound policies and plans. What's gotten me more worried is the fact that we are exploiting the resources...Yap that is a problem, and we need to deal with it.
I mean we obviously have the renewable ones to replace them but not everything can be replaced.
I'm not so sure that's true. New technologies will keep being invented. Especially when it's economically feasible to invest into that development. Like Lithium-Ion batteries for example, they have become so incredibly powerful because there was a demand on the market.
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@Sabo-go-thud said in Fact check with Pet: Overpopulation:
@petrapark3r thank you for your theory test. Yes the data is there, but by that alone Americans Should Be the welthiest on the planet per debt to income ratio. Is it true? No. In college, I was taught that these factors were "realistic numbers". Only true if EVERYTHING listed holds true. Example; I am on a limited income of roughly $800 USA with a margin of error +/- 20%. With 67% going to rent/food/medical treatment. That leaves less than 30% left, giving me an ability to invest or save this. Does this prove true ALL the time? How about your own income? Because the Federal Income Bracket/ Gross National Income and the Federal Trade Commission say I should be topping over $10,000 a month in my Savings account.
First of all what is a theory test? I simply listed numbers and drew some conclusions, which you did not even reference, let alone refute. And then you compare them with something which it seems you haven't even understood properly. Because of course the 10.000$ must be an average, and with you not being in the top 1% of income (the billionairs), you will be below that. Americans are (prolly) the wealthiest on the planet in total (I didn't check your numbers), but most of that wealth obviously doesn't belong to you. And last but not least: just because one set of numbers doesn't work out for you, does not say anything about another set of completely unrelated numbers.
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@petrapark3r when theres 7.5 billion people and growing, the number is almost 0. I didn't say 0. If you want to get technical its like 0.01%. as I said, we can fix it. There is salvation. I just know it wont happen and that's just facts, sadly.
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@petrapark3r ....okay, I forgot to dot my"i"s and cross my "t"s @petrapark3r . What I was trying to say was (1.) test theory; the numbers and facts quoted are not tested scientific, if you read the fine print in the article itself on "overpopulation " it says "this is based on present fact and limited science with a margin of error of 0.02% or higher, on data" This is saying that many, many things have a roll of the dice chance of happening, or we could possibly roll back environment laws to the stricter 1990's possibly.
(2.) My numbers were based on educated guesses of my income, the GDP(how much money a country spends vs. what bank interest rates are) of what I SHOULD be able to save and the truth of how fast my spending goes due to things (sickness, health, taxes, how much i spend to ride a city bus, and so on and so on)beyond my control ."I ain't the sharpest crayon in the day, but teaching a fish climb!?"
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@petrapark3r What I meant was that there are little possibilities for everything. I did not mean that new things won't be invented to replace the old ones, obv they will. I'm just worried cuz of the bleak possibility of things not working the way we will want them to in the future. Thats all. But maybe they will. Who knows.
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@petrapark3r
after reading half I thought this planet needs thanos more than ironman. but I guess yeah. not all people get facilities/food as they need to. sounds like lack of supply not lack of production.
u said increasing rate is 1.06% is that after subtracting decreasing(death) rate or before that?
n I noticed tags this time 😇👌. -
Technology is what really overpopulates the world, People in high places encourage raping the world of it's resources, as they claim vast majorities of land, and populations. They create weapons to prosper further, and scheme to reduce the populous for reasons of delusion, and grandeur. As the world becomes more like a ghetto they use the idea of overpopulation to cover their tracks, and encourage themselves along with their followers to find clever ways to reduce the population when really it's more of a means of having power, and ruling with an iron fist using tactics of confusion, and chaos to maintain their sick ideas of order.
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@OliveOlivia said in Fact check with Pet: Overpopulation:
@petrapark3r when theres 7.5 billion people and growing, the number is almost 0. I didn't say 0. If you want to get technical its like 0.01%. as I said, we can fix it. There is salvation. I just know it wont happen and that's just facts, sadly.
Take india for example. Today, virtually no child dies of hunger. This was by far not the case 20 years ago. We have made enormous progress. But. Not dying of hunger, and having the luxury of having time for other things than work during your days, are 2 different things. Point here is, that most of the people on the planet, do not have the luxury to worry about the planet. But as you can see, we are moving in the right direction. And the internet is reaching millions of new people every day. This is why I said we have to push developing countries over the limit, where they can and will start worrying about the planet. And we are getting there. It feels really close. Well, in global society "close" sense, e.g. the next 50 years, we might already see big changes.
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@Sabo-go-thud said in Fact check with Pet: Overpopulation:
@petrapark3r ....okay, I forgot to dot my"i"s and cross my "t"s @petrapark3r . What I was trying to say was (1.) test theory; the numbers and facts quoted are not tested scientific, if you read the fine print in the article itself on "overpopulation " it says "this is based on present fact and limited science with a margin of error of 0.02% or higher, on data"
You mean the wikipedia article?
Yeah, measuring those numbers is difficult, and to get the prognosis right just as much. And yeah, many things can happen in the next 50 years, that divert us upward or downward from the prognosis I made. But the trend is clear. If nothing absolutely unexpected happens (like someone invents a drug that gives us eternal youth or something), then birth rates will continue to go down. And obviously people will continue to die.
And the numbers about the food production, even if they had an error of 10%, would still work out.
You mustn't forget that "Overpopulation" is a worry of the rich, e.g. us. Because we are the ones consuming most of the meat. We are the ones, having most of the electronics. We are the ones having most of the technology, that polutes the air and eats up the resources. And in the less developed countries, it is the rich too, who fear, that they might have to share those riches, with the masses.
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@dragonfly33 said in Fact check with Pet: Overpopulation:
@petrapark3r
after reading half I thought this planet needs thanos more than ironman. but I guess yeah. not all people get facilities/food as they need to. sounds like lack of supply not lack of production.
u said increasing rate is 1.06% is that after subtracting decreasing(death) rate or before that?Yes, that is after subtracting the number of dying people. Yes, it is a lack of supply. There is enough food.
n I noticed tags this time 😇👌.
:joy:
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@dragonfly33 said in Fact check with Pet: Overpopulation:
@petrapark3r
after reading half I thought this planet needs thanos more than ironman. but I guess yeah. not all people get facilities/food as they need to. sounds like lack of supply not lack of production.
u said increasing rate is 1.06% is that after subtracting decreasing(death) rate or before that?Yes, that is after subtracting the number of dying people. Yes, it is a lack of supply. There is enough food.
n I noticed tags this time 😇👌.
:joy:
Let me add something to that: the actual problem is an economical in nature.
