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RE: Ok,so if your up for the callenge do it,if not,hit the road
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RE: Does anyone know what midichlorians _really_ are?
@Indrid-Cold That didn't work out so well. The only option seems to be Mexican jumping beans. I disagree :joy:
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RE: So I just saved a bird, maybe...
@nightshifter said in So I just saved a bird, maybe...:
@petrapark3r , ahhhhh, google your local bird or wild animal sanctuary
I'll look tomorrow...
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RE: Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational
@Electrifying-Guy said in [Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational]
I meant perception is the most reliable source of knowledge after inference. You never included we can perceive the five elements but God is so far from our senses. God is not perceived. If perception is the only reliable source of knowledge, we can rationally assert only the reality of perceptible objects. God, heaven, hell and any unperceived law cannot be believed in, because they are all beyond perception.
Material objects are the only objects whose existence can be perceived and whose reality can be asserted. Matter is made of five elements. Not only non-living material objects but also living organisms, like plants, animal bodies, are composed of these five elements, by the combination of which they are produces and to which they are reduced on deathIf you call only perceivable things real, then you have got a problem because you shouldn't be using a device that sends non-perceivable signals through the air. Develish device eh?
If you only allow measurable things (the focus of science) and say anything that cannot be measured is not real, then you are an atheist.
If you allow deduction / inference from the perceivable things, then you can deduce, as I did, that the atheistic viewpoint is irrational.
If you remain with the perceivable things and simply say you cannot perceive the origin of the universe and thus you don't know, you are agnostic.
And what about materialistic agnostic atheism ?
There is no such thing as agnoistic atheism. Those two are contradictory, for atheism means believing you know that there is no God while agnosticism is believing you don't know that there is no God.
'Heaven' and 'Hell' are the inventions of the priests whose professional interest lies in coaxing, threatening and making people perform the rituals or prayers. Enlightened men will always refuse to be duped by them. Not only in the old era but also in this one, priests scare everyone away. Religion and God are based mainly upon fear. Fear is the basis of the whole thing -- fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand.
You propably don't know, but atheism in the form of communism has brought much more cruelty and fear. In fact communism had many times the number of victims that nazi germany did.
By this historic fact I conclude that fear, cruelty and evil are part of human nature and cannot be layed at the feet of religion.
It is because fear is at the basis of those two things. In this world we can now begin a little to understand things, and a little to master them by help of science, which has forced its way step by step against the Christian religion, against the churches, and against the opposition of all the old precepts.
Science was developed in catholic universities. Science is not anti-christian. Also "science" just like IQ is not an argument.
Science can help us to get over this craven fear in which mankind has lived for so many generations. Science can teach us, and I think our own hearts can teach us, no longer to look around for imaginary supports, no longer to invent allies in the sky, but rather to look to our own efforts here below to make this world a better place to live in, instead of the sort of place that the churches in all these centuries have made it.
Science cannot help you get over your fears. Fears are human. Religion on the other hand seems to be able to actually make you overcome your fears. This might be a bit counterintuitive but christianity is the only religion that gains followers by conversion in this day and age. This is even more incredible since we have the greatest persecution (and murder) of christians in all of human history today. And in the places where christianity is persecuted the most it grows the fastest. Freaky right?
But of course I concede this has nothing to do with the philosophical argument of wether God is the first cause or not.
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RE: How do you waste your time one earth?
@leelah said in How do you waste your time one earth?:
It seems we waste alot of our life caring about things we have no actual control over. Also I think Mark Twain said "I've spent my life worrying about things that have never happened".
I guess any kind of worrying is basically a waste of your time.
A man once told God his plans. God laughed.
I mean really. Things always end up other than we expected and worried. And the bad things that happen are usually even things we didn't worry about in the first place...
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RE: If you HAD to write a word on your baby's forehead with a marker pen, what would it be?
@SynapticMisfire said in If you HAD to write a word on your baby's forehead with a marker pen, what would it be?:
"Radioactive Jelly Baby"
That's 3 words. You're dead :joy:
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RE: What are your thoughts on true love?
@cjko said in What are your thoughts on true love?:
@RoseoStarlo true love is when you choose the same person all over again against all odds. If that person is good for your mind, spirit and soul.. true love waits. :))
Yay, #cjkoisback :)
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RE: Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational
@paperbox said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
@petrapark3r i'd like to preface with: being atheist does not mean you think god does not it exist, it means you are not convinced of the existence of a god, there is still a possibility that one or many exist. What someone thinks is a "god" is really up to opinion. Saying that a god has to exist for a universe to exist is a bold claim. You can't say that "the universe cant just exist without something making it". How did "god" come to exist then, before the universe? There are some questions we just can't answer, and shouldn't pretend to know the answers to. Atheism is simply admitting that you do not know all the answers, and that you are not sure or unsure that a god does exist.
It might be the case that this is called "atheism" in common parlance, but the real name of what you describe is "agnosticism" and I as a former agnostic acknowledge its validity (it is logically valid, but I no longer believe it is true). However I do believe in God now and you might be interested in why. But that is a topic for another day.
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RE: My epilepsy symptoms are amazing
@leelah said in My epilepsy symptoms are amazing:
@cjko it is real. Some of my symptoms are unreality, which is the feeling of being an illusion, and indescribable feelings because it is a burst of electricity in my mind. When I'm having one I like for people to be with me but touching me is too much stimulation. Once I was having one at night where I couldn't talk, I remember feeling heartbroken because my boyfriend woke up and said "god dammit" and left the room.
Ouch. I wonder if he knew how much that must have hurt :'(
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RE: Q and A session with the oldest person on TWS...
How has the perception of the world changed from then until now, for you and the people around you? Do you see the world now more as a global thing? Or were you always othe pen to the world kinda guy?
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RE: What are your thoughts on true love?
@cjko said in What are your thoughts on true love?:
@petrapark3r well, stay curious then.
She minds :yum:
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RE: Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational
@Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
Why is there a bike? How can it always be borrowed, if there is no original owner?
Bike was borrowed by A to B, B to C. A bought it from a showroom or a shop. This shopkeeper bought the bike form manufacturer. E, F, G, H A.K.A. laborers and some machines manufactured it together. Human created the bike and human created the God. I will explain how human created the God ahead.
Absolutely true, the bike is there because there was a manufacturer. This is exactly my point.
In my analogy the bike stands for existence itself, which you have been given by your parents, which they have been given by their ancestors, which they have been given by the chain of evolution, which has been given its existence by the materials, which have been given their existence when they were formed in a star... anyways, you have a chain of things that have existence. Where does the existence come from?
Now everyone will ask
- Who made the first humans ‘Adam’ and ‘Eve’. ? -If Adam and Eve were the root causes or root cause of all things, they could birth the ants or plants together.
- Who created universe ? - I would elaborate materialism for it. It is more rational than assuming an invisible, unheard, unseen man in start of the chain.
Materialism gave things existence? You mean the universe itself gave the chain its existence? Whats the reason for the chain to exist?
You have no rational answer. That is the point of the argument I made. Whichever answer you give, may it be God or may it be an eternal chain, the answer is irrational = non understandable to our reason (reason = lat. ratio).
And the answer God is not more irrational than the other irrational answer.
In fact the answer God could actually be said to be more rational because it has the advantage, that if you say "God" is the reason, then the world would be rational in itself. If "the world" was the answer, then this world that you say is the reason for its own existence would be irrational.
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RE: Can you summarize all of human history in one paragraph?
Deeply woven in the dark, striving upward, failing, searching, have we been seeing, half blind. But more and more have we been turning to the light, learning reason, learning truth. Just to fall and fail again, plunging ever deeper into darkness with the wonders we created. The light keeps shining, yet we see and never see, we hear and never understand. The more we know, the darker our intentions become, the further we grow, the deeper we sink. But there is hope, for the two hearts will triumph in the end.
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RE: What Realizations Flabbergast You?
@OliveOlivia said in What Realizations Flabbergast You?:
@Cunt-Fistula said in What Realizations Flabbergast You?:
When i realized the inevitability of my death, that took a while to wrap my head around
For some reason knowing that we will all die gives me comfort. When I think about immortality and living forever... just waking up everyday for forever and living like forever, I cant even fathom it, but it sounds like hell.
Agreed. I'm so glad I don't have to live on this earth forever!
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RE: Which one do you prefer dating for marriage or for fun ?
You know, I think you got to date for fun. If you cannot enjoy the moment, if you cannot really let yourself fall into it, then you have already lost, is what I think.
So dating for fun, and then, proposal for marriage :joy:
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RE: Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational
@Electrifying-Guy I appreciate your far ranging perspective. However I do not have the time to answer to all of this.
So I'll just say this: this was never a discussion about the bible. You made it that, and my main argument was purely philosophical and has nothing to do with the genesis.
Philosophically we have shown that God is irrational (just like any alternative). It makes no sense to try and reason about what he can and can't do, since it is impossible to understand Him. Just as meaningless is reasoning in a philosophical way about what attributes God has or hasn't. There is no basis for argument. This is why much of what Aquinas did in this direction was meaningless, and he called it that too, after he had his vision of God at the end of his life.
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RE: Tell me about your dream job...
@Deimat said in Tell me about your dream job...:
Honestly I've never really been one for ambition or dreams sadly, but I do hope one day to be of use to people
isn't that an ambition?
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RE: HOW MUCH do your thoughts overlap with other people's?
@Indrid-Cold said in HOW MUCH do your thoughts overlap with other people's?:
@davitchen 50% with your pals sounds like winning. But yes, it is an abstract concept. I am Mr Abstract Concept.
Mrs.
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RE: Which one do you prefer dating for marriage or for fun ?
@cjko said in Which one do you prefer dating for marriage or for fun ?:
befriend that person, spend time with that person and know that person's story
Uh, I think I'm getting what we're actually talking about here. This is a cultural difference. Like, here, you just go on dates with different people to get to know them. It's called dating, yes.
The other thing, being together, is also called dating here, but I guess there (at your place) the first one is not, innit?
Talking before dating.. safest way (imo)
Nothing against being friends first...
´Do you "know" it when you look them in the eyes for the first time? I sure don't.
some did and it happenedIt's the exception though, not the rule...
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RE: Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational
@JessicaLou said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
@petrapark3r atheism is for those who believe that science is a panacea that can answer all the question in the universe. However, in reality, science has limitation and this is where religion comes in.
Indeed, but the question is how can you get to truth? In other words: how do you use the religious tools to gain objectivity?
Science drives to find what's objectively true about nature. Religion should drive to find what's objectively true in the transcendent.
But instead they tend to fight against each other, because most of them have no method of validating their claims. What do you think?