Is god real? Your thoughts



  • Absolutely not. Religion and the idea of a god have become ways to control mass amounts of people. It's easier to talk to 'god' aka yourself or say that 'god' has a plan than it is to take some self responsibility and say "The good or bad things that have happened in my life are a result of my actions. I'm the only one who can make an impact in my life and guide it to where I want to be."


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    @xerxes98 I doubt that you have any good reason o believe in a god but k



  • @topics27 to me, I fully believe in God and the Bible. Even though I don't have full knowledge on the bible, I still have some knowledge that makes me believe in him.


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    @elliestar said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

    you guys are hilarious. You see it is beyond ridiculous to believe that we know what is evil.

    BULLSHIT. Good and bad (evil) is arbitrary. But we can define it whatever way we want.

    By the way there can never be such a thing as an objective morality or objective good and evil.

    I define good as what positively effects well being and bad as what negatively effects well being and/or causes unnecessary pain. By the way we can define well being objectively through science.

    Because a God we could understand would not be much of a God, would He?

    No. I never heard that a god has to be incomprehensible to be a god. You can surely understand a god. Depends on how you define a god

    His ways are so complex, that if you were able to understand His "evil" it would make sense to you.

    Bullshit. There is no reason to believe in a god in the first place and there is no way for an omnipotent and omniscient god to exist at the same time as evil which doesn't render him the cause of that evil, because he refuses to prevent it therefore he is the cause/creator of all evil and malevolent(evil) himself.

    Imagine you are an Amazon tribal member who never has seen civilization. He is taken to watch a surgery in a hospital. Based on all known facts this surgeon is murdering his mother, when in fact he is saving her life.You see, he does not understand the vastness that he was so closed off to. This is our limited human perception.

    Bullshit analysis. There is no way to justify the annual deaths of 9 million children under 5 with this type of comparison. We know scientifically that bone cancer in children, rape, murder, the annual deaths of 9 million kids under the age of 5 causes unnecessary objective neurological suffering in the people experiencing those things whilst they are alive(so what happens after they're dead is irrelevant) and there is no way to justify someone letting stuff like this happen when they can stop it whenever they want.

    If we were in fact able to see what was good, bad, evil, kind...

    We can. I explained this already

    well what kind of test of life would that be?

    There is no test of life. Life isn't a test and it has no inherent purpose. God doesn't exist

    What kind of free choice would we have Some lame test.

    Again.
    1st Life isn't a test
    2nd there is no god
    3rd if god is testing people TO KNOW something(s), that means he didn't know the thing(s) before the test and he isn't omniscient. If he actually knew them then by definition it wouldn't be a test
    4th you are suggesting that if he existed and was testing us therefore a certain level of difficulty is necessary so there always is an amount of people faip and burn in hell forever. That's evil
    5th Free will is an illusion with or without the existence of god because the definition of free will is "Being able to chose between multiple choices" but in science there is something we call "cause and effect" and it means that the past determines the future (AKA determinism) and because the past decides the future that means that you can only have 1 possible chronological consecutive set of actions that you do and you NEVER have more than one choice. In other words your actions are all predetermined and you have no free will. Not to mention that if god(and there is no good reason to think he does) is all knowing then that means he knew what everyone will do throughout their lives before they even existed further demonstrates that their actions would be predetermined and they wouldn't have free will.

    Yes, Is it easier to complain about what pain (there's no denying some things are painful but whether or not they are evil is a whole diff story

    No dumbass. As i said evil=unnecessary suffering. Suffering is neurological and objective
    I.a. can be measured objectively through neurology

    pain always has a purpose in Gods calculation

    There is no god and nothing has inherent purpose + most pain ( i said most because of surgery, sports...) negatively effects well being therefore is bad and should be rid of to improve quality of life.

    goes on in the world and excuse that for the reason God dosnt exist and say "yay, now i dont have to calculate any of my actions!" in fact, this is just stupidity.

    Oh fuck off.

    1st I didn't chose to be an atheist it happened because i saw no sufficient evidence behind religious claims, if there was evidence i would believe and of course faith is not a reliable pathway to truth since it can lead you to true and wrong conclusions with incredible inaccuracy so using it is useless and....... STUPID. Why use an unreliable pathway to truth to believe something is true. It is better to be sceptical "proof 1st belief 2nd" than to be gullible(have faith) "belief 1st and proof or no proof 2nd"
    2nd your actions are more important and have more value if there is no afterlife because that'd mean that there is no all equaliser(heaven and hell) which meaning that inequality doesn't get redeemed, that you only get 1 life so you better make other people's quality of life better because of A Intuitive sympathy, B that hopefully they'd do the same to you and C that you and everyone will do good and make the world better for your loved ones after they die.

    If We could understand God, why arent You and I God?

    Well it depends on how you define god. If you define god as something incomprehensible then
    1st that's a stupid definition
    2nd many things we know of fit that category like black holes, dark matter, dark energy.... my dick, lol jk jk. We will one day understand those things so is god an ever receding bubble of scientific ignorance. Seems like a stupid definition

    There is no good reason to believe a god exists, period.

    That would be some stupid world.

    Yes the idea that a god exists is stupid just like the existence of unicorns, vampires and lepricons.

    This world is but a hallway of preparation, to something much greater.

    Bullshit. As far as we know you are nothing but an assembly of neurons that we call a brain and that will ceez to function after death resulting in never ending nothingness.

    How embarrassing would it be to come into the next world not wearing any clothes?

    I personally wouldn't care. I'd be pleasantly surprised that I'm alive

    Remember, God is only merciful.

    1st there is no good reason to believe a god exists
    2nd mercy is a suspension of justice and therefore immoral

    Even Hell is but a merciful act on His part.

    Bullshit. Burning people for things they were predetermined to do is evil and immoral.

    It is the process in which He removes your sins in order to hold you close whereas before you were too filthy.

    1st the concept of sins is defined as "things god has forbidden" and since god doesn't exist sins don't either
    2nd You'd have been predetermined to be "filthy" therefore it wouldn't be your fault.

    Imagine a guest at a wedding

    I'm sick of your "imagine a"... arguments.

    he comes in and they are ready to begin when suddenly he defecates all over himself.

    And of course the logical thing to do is to burn him alive over and over again for something that wasn't his fault. Stupid

    The other guests are shocked, and the father of the bride says to a guest to help this man clean up instead of kicking him out. So he takes the man to a hotel room and turns on the hot water and scrubs him. It is painful and uncomfortable but in the end

    (that's necessary suffering)

    ... but then at the end he burns the guest over and over again with emmensly painful fire and doesn't stop until he seems fit

    he can return to the wedding.

    After having been tortured for something predetermined and not his fault

    This man was no ordinary guest however, he was the groom himself, and the father in law loved him so much and wanted him to be able to be as close to the bride and himself as possible that he made him go get cleaned up.

    Of course he would since
    1st cleaning up isn't a punishment
    2nd you wouldn't marry covered in shit
    3rd you wouldn't be kicked out from your own wedding r shitting yourself

    this is not a good comparison

    hell :
    A. Punishment
    B. For predetermined actions which aren't people's faults
    C. With horrible unnecessary suffering

    Your scenario:
    A. Getting help from someone(not being punished)
    B. For something which isn't your fault(this is is the only thing similar to hell from A, B and C
    C. Seemingly necessary suffering

    God is never evil
    simply misunderstood.

    I demonstratd that if he exists he would be evil by nature

    Our human brains cannot possibly ever understand HIs ways.

    Our human brains have made up the idea of god and that he has ways, this i have understood

    We should act accordingly. Humble.

    Admitting that there are things we don't know and answers we can't answer yet or even ever, instead of making up explanations and answers which is what religion does is pretty humble

    P.S. Oh my fucking flying spaghetti monster you are obnoxious



  • you guys are hilarious. You see it is beyond ridiculous to believe that we know what is evil. Because a God we could understand would not be much of a God, would He? His ways are so complex, that if you were able to understand His "evil" it would make sense to you. Imagine you are an Amazon tribal member who never has seen civilization. He is taken to watch a surgery in a hospital. Based on all known facts this surgeon is murdering his mother, when in fact he is saving her life. You see, he does not understand the vastness that he was so closed off to. This is our limited human perception. If we were in fact able to see what was good, bad, evil, kind...well what kind of test of life would that be? What kind of free choice would we have Some lame test. Yes, Is it easier to complain about what pain (there's no denying some things are painful but whether or not they are evil is a whole diff story, pain always has a purpose in Gods calculation) goes on in the world and excuse that for the reason God dosnt exist and say "yay, now i dont have to calculate any of my actions!" in fact, this is just stupidity.
    If We could understand God, why arent You and I God? That would be some stupid world. This world is but a hallway of preparation, to something much greater. How embarrassing would it be to come into the next world not wearing any clothes? Remember, God is only merciful. Even Hell is but a merciful act on His part. It is the process in which He removes your sins in order to hold you close whereas before you were too filthy. Imagine a guest at a wedding, he comes in and they are ready to begin when suddenly he defecates all over himself. The other guests are shocked, and the father of the bride says to a guest to help this man clean up instead of kicking him out. So he takes the man to a hotel room and turns on the hot water and scrubs him. It is painful and uncomfortable but in the end, he can return to the wedding. This man was no ordinary guest however, he was the groom himself, and the father in law loved him so much and wanted him to be able to be as close to the bride and himself as possible that he made him go get cleaned up. God is never evil, simply misunderstood. Our human brains cannot possibly ever understand HIs ways. We should act accordingly. Humble.




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    @lovely55 in my life, i have never seen a person stupider than you.





  • @love_to_love_ I think it's fine for people to have religion as a guide for morality and social interaction, it's not fine when people use religion to explain natural phenomena in lieu of science.

    Neil deGrasse Tyson describes the fallacy this way: "Does it mean, if you don’t understand something, and the community of physicists don’t understand it, that means God did it? Is that how you want to play this game? Because if it is, here’s a list of things in the past that the physicists at the time didn’t understand [and now we do understand] [...]. If that’s how you want to invoke your evidence for God, then God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on - so just be ready for that to happen, if that’s how you want to come at the problem."



  • God is an idea. He is by default an entity that is not tangible but that does not mean he is not real. He is real bc people believe he is real and that belief has an impact on their life. But God as a physical being is a lie. Bc no man is sth more than a human. And we all are just more developed mammals.



  • im god :)))))))


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    @love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

    @thestrangest
    It was on accident sorry

    If you have anything left to say you better spend the 8-15 min it takes to read all the things i told you because if you ask anything that i already explained in the last 3 pages of this post i will just ignore you unless you are asking me for clarification on one of my replies. Ask new things or for clearification on something and i will happily answer.


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    @atharva said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

    @topics27 Gods real or fake, who cares!

    People who care about what's true or not. Like me
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    @atharva said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

    @topics27 Gods real or fake, who cares!

    Sure



  • @thestrangest
    It was on accident sorry


  • Music Lovers

    Yes of course!! Our parents are the real living gods!


  • Music Lovers

    @topics27 Gods real or fake, who cares!


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    You are clearly not reading my replies so stop asking questions and wasting my time


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    @love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

    @thestrangest
    What’s the point in an atheist group you can have a community for something you don’t believe in. How can you be moral without god. How do you have any meaning in your life? Is atheism just a religion?

    OMF gooodneesss why are you repeating the same exact fucking questions. Did you run out of questions. Just read the answers i gave in my last reply. Seriously wtf

    I will just copy/paste my previous answers

    What’s the point in an atheist group you can have a community for something you don’t believe in?

    You fight against the belief in a god or just talk about things like science, equality, securalism which all benefit society but are highly discouraged by people who do believe in a god/diety.

    How can you be moral without god. How do you have any meaning in your life? Is atheism just a religion?

    A careful subjective concideration of the consequences of my objective actions on the well being of living creatures using my scientific education and logic.

    If you believe in the god of the bible then who are you to tell me where i get my morals from. If you believe in the bible you believe in a book that supports slavery, violence, sexism, homophobia, sadomasochism...did you not read the verses i mentioned

    EDIT:here are the verses i was referring to

    1st the truth is not a matter of opinion
    2nd thing, you do not have proof that the bible was written/commanded to be written by a god THEREFORE until there is evidence there is no good reason to believe in such BS. There is no good reason to believe in a god and of course faith which by définition a belief without evidence is useless thing and should never be used, why you ask?

    Well let's start by talking about faith.
    i didn't chose to be an atheist it happened because i say no sufficient evidence behind the religious claims, if there was evidence i would believe and of course faith is not a reliable pathway to truth since it can lead you to true and wrong conclusions with incredible inaccuracy so using it is useless.

    Any way i have proof that the Bible is Sexist, Violent... and that it's unlikely that an invisible man in the sky commanded its writting, My proof is that an all loving, all good god wouldn't have ordered man to write down all of these things in his book:

    SEXISM

    “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

    “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

    HOMOPHOBIA

    “In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)

    VIOLENCE AND SADOMASOCHISM(loving a person you feer):

    “This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

    “Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)

    “Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

    “So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)

    “And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)

    ‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)

    https://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/leviticus-20-13-if-a-man-lies-with-a-male-as-with-a-woman-both-of-them-have-committed-an-abomination-they-shall-surely-be-put-to.png

    SLAVERY

    Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.

    Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word “servant”, “bondservant”, or “manservant” instead of “slave” to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn’t mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

    The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

    The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

    If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

    Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?

    The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and has sex with them!

    What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don’t die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing

    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

    You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

    Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

    In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn’t know they were doing anything wrong.

    The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

    And these are just a couple of verses

    P.S. usually  after i show a Christian these verses he tells me that it doesn't matter because most of these are in the old testament, well the 10 commandments are also in the old testament so do you also not want the 10 commandements? And by the way, there are no scenarios where a just and all good god would say “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” or “In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” or “Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” and a lot of other verses. And if you are going to say that you don't believe in these verses because they are in the old testament (by the way there are verses i mentioned outside the old testament but k) you'd have to say that you also don't believe in the 10 commandments since they are also in the old testament

    Why do you hate God or you just angry God?

    Oh a new question. I do not hate god or angry that would be rediculous, i do not believe god exists therefore i can not hate his existence stupeh. I hate that people are stupid enough to believe in fairy tales like god and hurt themselves and their societies with their mental masturbation.

    Does the universe have a beginning that requires a ca does the universe have a beginning requires a cause that’s not god if so what is that cause?

    Wtf. This is the 4th time you've asked this question. Stop asking the same questions, you clearly did not read any of my previous answers so this is just getting disrespectful and wasting my time. I'll copy paste the same answer again if you want

    "Where do you believe god came from? Oh right, nowhere. So you believe that something that came from nothing created everything. Sigh

    On the other hand we might never know where the universe came from but in that case we are still not justified in believing made up things on faith but we should be at peace with our ignorance and limitations and even if we can't be at peace with our ignorance that still doesn’t give you the right to believe made up things on faith, for now we do not know where everything came from but as physics shows it is physically possible for the whole universe to originate from nothing and there are many scientific books on the topic like "A universe from nothing" by Quantum Physicist lawrence Krauss, i do not know where the universe came from but as far as science has shown god comes as far as you can get to the last place on the ranking of the possible origins of the universe.


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    @love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

    @thestrangest
    Without god we’re do you get your mortality from?

    A careful subjective concideration of the consequences of my objective actions on the well being of living creatures using my scientific education and logic.

    If you believe in the god of the bible then who are you to tell me where i get my morals from. If you believe in the bible you believe in a book that supports slavery, violence, sexism, homophobia, sadomasochism...did you not read the verses i mentioned

    If there is no god how does you life have any meaning?

    You give your own life meaning. Actually if there is no afterlife and no god then your life literally becomes infinetly more meaningful since there is no point to a life if it is just endless existence with no general purpose other than the one god apparently gave you, i don't know about you but i find the idea of being uncontrollably immortal to be boring and dull.

    Were did the universe come from if it didn’t come from god?

    I'll just copy paste my last answer that you clearly did not fucking read if you are asking this question again.

    Where do you believe god came from? Oh right, nowhere. So you believe that something that came from nothing created everything. Sigh

    On the other hand we might never know where the universe came from but in that case we are still not justified in believing made up things on faith but we should be at peace with our ignorance and limitations and even if we can't be at peace with our ignorance that still doesn’t give you the right to believe made up things on faith, for now we do not know where everything came from but as physics shows it is physically possible for the whole universe to originate from nothing and there are many scientific books on the topic like "A universe from nothing" by Quantum Physicist lawrence Krauss, i do not know where the universe came from but as far as science has shown god comes as far as you can get to the last place on the ranking of the possible origins of the universe.

    If there is no god then why does every society have a religion?

    If you think that the number of people who believe something makes it any less or more true then you stupeh, by your logic "If the earth is not flat then why does every society believe the earth is flat" is proof that the earth is flat if used in any year before around 500-600 C.E.

    And no in nordic countries the population is over 80% atheist and they ofcourse have the best test scors on éducation, teen pregnancy rates, healthy body fat percentages....

    Isn’t atheism just a religion?

    No. Atheism is just not believing in a god. Only that and nothing else. Theism means the belief in god/ a diety and atheism means the lack of belief in a god/diety. A religion is a belief system centered around a god/diety so no by definition your statement is stupeh, If you want to believe that atheism is a religion go ahead but that's like believing being bald is a haircut.

    What’s the point of atheist groups how can you have a community for something you don’t believe in?

    You fight against the belief in a god or just talk about things like science, equality, securalism which all benefit society but are highly discouraged by people who do believe in a god/diety

    P.S. look here, you are clearly asking questions again and again and again with answers i already gave you so if you are not reading my replies stop talking to me


 

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