Is god real? Your thoughts

[Love_to_love_.]

@cameron15m
Sin isn’t apart of gods plan that’s the devil the devil is the one who kills any kind of good in your life.God uses all the bad things in your life and makes them into good things like for example: if your girlfriend died and you can’t get over the pain you bump into a pretty girl she helps you push through and you fall in love and maybe get married. That is god I bet you know the story of marry and baby Jesus. Marry had Jesus and he died on the cross so we could connect to him again. Baby Jesus was god in human flesh he wanted to go through all the pain that we went through because he loves us now that’s a good god. The devil on the other hand comes only when your at your worst or when life is bad. He used to be one of God’s angels and he thought he was better or more powerful than god and he turned into the devil also known as the father of lies or lord of lies. God has been though what you what we all have been through, he has suffered like we have, he has been tempted like we have. He know it all and for that I trust him. If god didn’t love us he wouldn’t have died for us. And that is why I love him and trust him.😊

[TheStrangest]

@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
He has a plan

Do you have any proof that he exists. I can assert the same thing about a flying spaghetti minster and it wouldn't demonstrate his existence as less or more true.

And if god has a plan for everyone then the concepts of prayer, hell and heaven become very stupid and illogical.

The person who prays is the one who logically should think that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also logically thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right by praying.

Prayer is wanting to change an omniscient god's plan by adding the knowledhe that you prayed to his already omniscient mind and then hopping that he changes your destiny.

And hell and heaven are as stupid. By your logic god created the world knowing every single choice kf every single life before they even existed, people have no free will because they only have 1 set of choices that they can make which is the set god knew before they were alive. But somehow god punishes with fire and suffering, rewards people with amazing flufy clouds and eternal bliss for having different life actions which were predetermined before they were born.

[TheStrangest]

@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@cameron15m
Sin isn’t apart of gods plan that’s the devil the devil is the one who kills any kind of good in your life.

Both don't exist but your argument is invalid because god can easily get rid of the devil

God uses all the bad things in your life and makes them into good things like for example: if your girlfriend died and you can’t get over the pain you bump into a pretty girl she helps you push through and you fall in love and maybe get married.

That's demonstrabely wrong.

There are about 9 million children under 5 that die every year. Picture an asian tsunami of the sort we saw in 2004 killing a quarter of a million every 10 days, all of them under 5. About 24 thousand children a day, about a thousand an hour and 17 or so a minute. These children were generally only born to suffer and die since they hadn't had much time as conscious beings before they suffered horrible deaths and died. Picture the parents of these children and that means that before you can get to the end of this comment a which will take about 2 min 34 children would have died in horrible terror and agony, think of the parents of these children which most likely believe in god and are praying this second for their children to be saved, their prayers will not be answered. Any god who would allow children by the millions to die and saffer this way, for their parents to grieve this way either can do nothing to help them or doesn't care to, he is therefore either impotent" I'm just gonna add something to this. Worse than that most of these parents, many of these parents will be going to hell because they're praying to the wrong god. Just think about that. Through no fault of their own they were born in the wrong culture, where they got the wrong theology and they missed the revelation.ok there are 1.2 billion people in india at this moment, most of them are hindus, most of them therefore polytheists. No matter how good these people are, they are doomed. If you were praying to the monkey god hanoman you are doomed. You'll be tortured in hell for eternity. Now is there the slightest evidence for this? NO, it just says so in Mark 9, Matthew 13 and revelation 14. Perhaps you'll remember from the lord of the rings ot says that when the elves die they go to valanore so that they can be reborn in middle earth, i say that as a point of comparison. So god created the world knowing everything, he created the cultural isolation of the hibdus, he engineered the circumstances of their deaths in ignorance of revelation and then he created the penalty for this ignorance which is an eternity of consciousness torment in fire. On the other hand your run if the mill serial killer in America who spent his life raping and torturing children need only come to jesus on death row and after a final meal of fried chicken he's going to spend an eternity in heaven. If anything is clear here is that this is nothing but an immoral system

That is god I bet you know the story of marry and baby Jesus.

For goodness sake. You believe in VIRGIN BIRTH. WTF is wrong with you, we're in 2017 and you believe that a woman can get pregnant with a boy without having sex, you defenetly missed sex ed in school.

Marry had Jesus and he died on the cross so we could connect to him again.

Again. There is no historical proof that jesus even existed. You could say the same about harry potter and it would appear just as true

Baby Jesus was god in human flesh he wanted to go through all the pain that we went through because he loves us now that’s a good god.

"Harry potter got saved by his mom and she died to let him survive and kill voldimorte, now that's an amazing mom." She also died to save us from pain, both statements are equal. By the way "He loves". I'll just quote a wise man for this.

"When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!"-George Carlin

The devil on the other hand comes only when your at your worst or when life is bad.
He used to be one of God’s angels and he thought he was better or more powerful than god and he turned into the devil also known as the father of lies or lord of lies.

WRONG. Lord of the flies, not lord of lies. Beelzebub means lord of the flies not lord of lies. Anyways, do i really have to repeat this, the same can be said about voldimort

"Voldimort on the other hand comes only when your at your worst or when life is bad.
He used to be one of Hoggwarts best students named Tom Elvis Jedusor and he thought he was better or more powerful than Hoggwarts and he turned into Voldimort also known as the one who's name shall not be spoken."

Anyways god can just get rid of the devil so your point that if god exists evil is not caused by god but by the devil is invalid.

God has been though what you what we all have been through

HARRY POTTER too. Stop talking about god as if we think he's realer than harry potter, we don't.

he has suffered like we have.

I'll cover this with a quote in a sec

he has been tempted like we have.

Who cares. There is not any proof that he even existed this is getting boring

He know it all and for that I trust him.

You don't have any good reason to believe he exists, end of story. And the idea that he is omniscient means that praying is pointless since if he always knew that he was gonna pray or not pray and had a plan for you wtf is the point of you praying? Changing his plan? What kind of omniscient god creates a plan that has to be changed because of things he always knew were gonna happen. It sounds stupid

If god didn’t love us he wouldn’t have died for us. And that is why I love him and trust him.😊

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
U have a point about the whole merry thing I don’t understand why that happened and no I didn’t miss the sex thing is school I knew what sex was in first grade. It’s a religion we believe in crazy things like a book that’s just part of what we do. To us it’s normal just like you not believing in god is normal for you. That’s just what we do and right now that’s all the proof I have of why I believe in god. You think what you want and I do the same. 🙂

[TheStrangest]

@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
U have a point about the whole merry thing I don’t understand why that happened and no I didn’t miss the sex thing is school I knew what sex was in first grade. It’s a religion we believe in crazy things like a book that’s just part of what we do.

1st you admit that you have no proof or good reason to believe what you do
2nd you admit that part of religion is believing crazy things that go against science and are by definition impossible

What's next. You don't sound like a good debater

To us it’s normal just like you not believing in god is normal for you.

Believing in virgin birth is never normal. You should have learned in sex ed that virgin birth of a boy is impossible

That’s just what we do and right now that’s all the proof I have of why I believe in god.

All the proof? You provided 0 proof. What are you talking about. I think you need to know the definition of proof:

"evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth."

You think what you want and I do the same. 🙂

Ok. I'll stick with science and reason and you stick to faith (belief without evidence/good reason)

Just wanted to say that scientific research has shown that a believer on average has an IQ 7 points lower than a non-believer. 1 thing that could be a reason is the lack of critical reasoning in a believers brain caused by faith (belief without evidence/good reason, usually accompanied by discouragement of critical reasoning/Criticism)

So what you believe is literally harming you but k

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
How come you have to snapshot everything 😂 and ok i mean I was trying to be nice about everything 😂 u people are funny you take a conversation so seriously 😂 I have one question though what made you believe what you believe. I told you what made me believe what I believed and you making it a big deal.😂🤣 why do you feel the extensive need for proof. 😂

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
Because you were questioning me. I have some questions for you.1.) Have you ever asked yourself what if you were wrong and what if there was a heaven and hell. 2.) what happens if you die and what proof of belief do you have. 3.) conclusion and last but not least if a human is just a process of random Chemical process over millions of years then how a nonbeliever be so sure there atheism properly represents reality.

[TheStrangest]

@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
How come you have to snapshot everything 😂 and ok i mean I was trying to be nice about everything 😂 u people are funny you take a conversation so seriously 😂

I have one question though what made you believe what you believe.

Atheism is a disbelief not a belief, sigh.

I told you what made me believe what I believed and you making it a big deal.

As far as i understood the only reason you believe is that your dad indoctrinated(mindwashed) you.

😂🤣 why do you feel the extensive need for proof. 😂

Because a rational and educated person believes things only for good reasons. A good reason or to an extent one of the only good reasons is to believe things on evidence. Faith is bullshit and no reasonable person would ever believe anything on faith.

[TheStrangest]

@love_to_love_ Since faith leads you randomly true and false things randomly and with incredible inaccuracy then here's my question. Is faith a reliable pathway to truth? No. So faith is useless and pointless. Why would anyone use faith to believe something is true since faith isn't a reliable pathway to truth

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
So you believe that nobody plus nothing equals everything. 😂
Are you absolutely sure there is not god? Just because you can’t see something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You can’t see atoms but we all know it exist it’s the same thing with god. In the light of the Big Bang that scientists think what mad the universe. Is it reasonable to believe that no one created something out of nothing or someone like cod created something out of nothing.

[TheStrangest]

@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
Because you were questioning me. I have some questions for you.

Sure

1.) Have you ever asked yourself what if you were wrong and what if there was a heaven and hell.

What if i'm wrong? sigh

This is a shorter way to say "what about pascal's wager". If you don't remember whar pascal's wager is, it basically says

A.Atheism
1.if you don't believe and you are right you lose nothing
2.if you don't believe and you are wrong then you'll burn in hell forever
B.Belief
3.if you do believe and you gain a heaven
4.f you do believe and you are wrong you lose nothing

Here you can clearly say that believing is better than disbelieving but the 1st error in this argument is that it assumes that a person chooses what they believe which for anyone after a half second of thought is clearly bullshit.

i didn't chose to be an atheist it happened because i say no sufficient evidence behind the religious claims, if there was evidence i would believe and of course faith is not a reliable pathway to truth since it can lead you to true and wrong conclusions with incredible inaccuracy so using it is useless.

2nd error in this argument is that it's like "Oh, either non-belief can be correct, there clearly is no other option" and any thinking brain can understand why it is bullshit. You can be wrong about

(MYTHOLOGY|Corresponding hell like thingy)
Albanian mythology Ferri
Aztec mythology Mictlan
Babylonian mythology Irkalla
Buddhist mythology Naraka (also Niraya)
Celtic mythology Annwn, Mag Mell
Chinese mythology / taoism Diyu 地獄
Egyptian mythology Aaru, Duat, Neter-khertet, Amenti
Estonian mythology Toonela
Fijian mythology see Melanesian mythology
Finnish mythology Tuonela
Georgian mythology Kveskneli
Germanic Hel, Niflheim
Greek mythology
Main article: Greek underworld
Elysium, Asphodel Meadows, Tártaros
Guanche mythology
Echeide, Guayota

Hindu mythology Naraka or Yamaloka, Patala
Hittite mythology Dankuš daganzipaš (dark earth)
Hopi mythology Maski
Hungarian mythology Alvilág
Inca mythology Uku Pacha
Inuit mythology Adlivun
Islamic mythology Jahannam, Naar, Barzakh, Araf
Jain mythology Naraka, Adho Loka (the lower world)
Japanese mythology/Shinto Yomi 黄泉, Ne-no-Kuni 根の国, Jigoku 地獄
Jewish/Hebrew mythology Sheol, Gehenna, Abaddon, Azazel, Tehom, Tophet, Tzoah Rotachat, Dudael
Korean mythology "Ji-Ok" 지옥 地獄
Latvian mythology Aizsaule
Malay mythology Alam Ghaib (The unseen realm)
Indonesian mythology
Māori mythology Hawaiki, Rarohenga
Mapuche mythology Pellumawida, Degin, Wenuleufu, Ngullchenmaiwe
Maya mythology Metnal, Xibalba
Melanesian mythology (includes Fijian) Bulu, Burotu, Murimuria, Nabagatai, Tuma
Norse mythology Gimlé, Hel, Niflhel, Vingólf
Oromo mythology Ekera
Persian mythology Duzakh
Philippine mythology Kasanaan
Polynesian mythology Avaiki, Bulotu, Iva, Lua-o-Milu, Nga- Atua, Pulotu, Rangi Tuarea, Te Toi-o-nga-Ranga, Uranga-o-Te-Ra
Pueblo mythology Shipap
Roman mythology Inferno, Avernus
Romanian mythology Tărâmul Celălalt
Slavic mythology Nav, Podsvetie, Peklo, Vyraj
Sumerian mythology Dilmun, Kur, Irkalla, Hubur
Turko-Mongol Erlik
Vodou mythology Guinee
Wagawaga (New Guinea) mythology Hiyoyoa
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And of course non-of these incliding your 'hell' are scientifically backed up so the chance of their existence is miniscule and the chance that all of them including yours are wrong is huge so disbelief would safe but even if it wasn't safe a dis-belief can't be wrong even if the thing you don't believe in is true aslong as there is no evidence for the thing you disbelieve in.
So you have to see that saying "What if you're wrong" is a very very overused useless argument

[TheStrangest]

@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
2.) what happens if you die and what proof of belief do you have.

I don't know what happens after a person dies and you don't either but as far as we know you are/ your consciousness is most likely just neurons that will stop working together after you die therefore you A.K.A. your consciousness will be gone after you die just like it never existed before you were born.

3.) conclusion and last but not least if a human is just a process of random Chemical process over millions of years then how a nonbeliever be so sure there atheism properly represents reality.

The stupidist thing i ever heard in my life. Atheism is not a belief system, it is not a world view, it is a lack of belief in a god and only that. If your question is, how can i be sure that gid doesn't exist? My answer is that you can never be absolutely certain of anything so i can't know for sure. Infact i do not KNOW if god exists or not but neither do i know if unicorns exist or not but since there is 0 good reasons to believe that they do i do not believe they do. Most atheidts are agnostic atheists like me which means atheists that do not KNOW if god exists or not (Agnostic, which is the opposite of gnostic meaning a person who knows) but still disbelieve in god (Atheist which is the lack of theism which means the belief in god)

[TheStrangest]

@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
So you believe that nobody plus nothing equals everything. 😂

Look at my profile pic. That's me 100% of the time whilst reading what you say. Where do you believe god came from? Oh right, nowhere. So you believe that something that came from nothing created everything. Sigh

On the other hand i do not know where everything came from but as physics shows it is physically possible for the whole universe to originate from nothing and there are many scientific books on the topic like "A universe from nothing" by Quantum Physicist lawrence Krauss, i do not know where the universe came from but as far as science has shown god comes as far as you can get to the last place of the possible origins of the universe.

Are you absolutely sure there is not god?

No just like i am not absolutely sure unicorns d't exist

Just because you can’t see something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Of course. I never said i don't believe in god because i can't see him. I said i don't believe in god because there is no good evidence to believe that he exists which can come in many many forms not just being able to see thingq, infact being able to see something isn't evidence that it exists, you have to repeatedly prove that no matter where, how, what, who you are you can always see the thing and repeat that a couple hundred to thousand times to make it actual scientific evidence.

You can’t see atoms but we all know it exist it’s the same thing with god.

No it is not. I'll repeat myself.

infact being able to see something isn't evidence that it exists, you have to repeatedly prove that no matter where, how, what, who you are you can always test the existence of the thing, recieve positive results and repeat that a couple hundred to thousand times to make it actual scientific evidence. There is that for atoms but not god.

In the light of the Big Bang that scientists think what mad the universe.

you have to repeatedly prove that no matter where, how, what, who you are you can always test the existence/remains that can be traced back to the existence of the thing, recieve positive results and repeat that a couple hundred to thousand times to make it actual scientific evidence. We know the big bang happened and how it happened by a complex tracing back of radiation and a srudy of the movement of the universe. Do we know what/if there was the thing (s) before the big bang but that doesn’t mean that you know, it means that for now, noone knows.

Is it reasonable to believe that no one created something out of nothing or someone like god created something out of nothing.

I'll just copy/paste what i already said with some edits

Where do you believe god came from? Oh right, nowhere. So you believe that something that came from nothing created everything. Sigh

On the other hand we might never know where the universe came from but in that case we are still not justified in believing made up things on faith but we should be at peace with our ignorance and limitations and even if we can't be at peace with our ignorance that still doesn’t give you the right to believe made up things on faith, for now we do not know where everything came from but as physics shows it is physically possible for the whole universe to originate from nothing and there are many scientific books on the topic like "A universe from nothing" by Quantum Physicist lawrence Krauss, i do not know where the universe came from but as far as science has shown god comes as far as you can get to the last place on the ranking of the possible origins of the universe.

[FWBandy]

No I don't but if you asked me if what happened to Jesus happened then yes I do but I don't beleave in "life after death" once ya dead ya dead simple as that

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
Without god we’re do you get your mortality from? If there is no god how does you life have any meaning? Were did the universe come from if it didn’t come from god? If there is no god then why does every society have a religion? Isn’t atheism just a religion? What’s the point of atheist groups how can you have a community for something you don’t believe in?

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
What’s the point in an atheist group you can have a community for something you don’t believe in. How can you be moral without god. How do you have any meaning in your life? Is atheism just a religion? Why do you hate God or you just angry God? Does the universe have a beginning that requires a ca does the universe have a beginning requires a cause that’s not god if so what is that cause?

[TheStrangest]

@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
Without god we’re do you get your mortality from?

A careful subjective concideration of the consequences of my objective actions on the well being of living creatures using my scientific education and logic.

If you believe in the god of the bible then who are you to tell me where i get my morals from. If you believe in the bible you believe in a book that supports slavery, violence, sexism, homophobia, sadomasochism...did you not read the verses i mentioned

If there is no god how does you life have any meaning?

You give your own life meaning. Actually if there is no afterlife and no god then your life literally becomes infinetly more meaningful since there is no point to a life if it is just endless existence with no general purpose other than the one god apparently gave you, i don't know about you but i find the idea of being uncontrollably immortal to be boring and dull.

Were did the universe come from if it didn’t come from god?

I'll just copy paste my last answer that you clearly did not fucking read if you are asking this question again.

Where do you believe god came from? Oh right, nowhere. So you believe that something that came from nothing created everything. Sigh

On the other hand we might never know where the universe came from but in that case we are still not justified in believing made up things on faith but we should be at peace with our ignorance and limitations and even if we can't be at peace with our ignorance that still doesn’t give you the right to believe made up things on faith, for now we do not know where everything came from but as physics shows it is physically possible for the whole universe to originate from nothing and there are many scientific books on the topic like "A universe from nothing" by Quantum Physicist lawrence Krauss, i do not know where the universe came from but as far as science has shown god comes as far as you can get to the last place on the ranking of the possible origins of the universe.

If there is no god then why does every society have a religion?

If you think that the number of people who believe something makes it any less or more true then you stupeh, by your logic "If the earth is not flat then why does every society believe the earth is flat" is proof that the earth is flat if used in any year before around 500-600 C.E.

And no in nordic countries the population is over 80% atheist and they ofcourse have the best test scors on éducation, teen pregnancy rates, healthy body fat percentages....

Isn’t atheism just a religion?

No. Atheism is just not believing in a god. Only that and nothing else. Theism means the belief in god/ a diety and atheism means the lack of belief in a god/diety. A religion is a belief system centered around a god/diety so no by definition your statement is stupeh, If you want to believe that atheism is a religion go ahead but that's like believing being bald is a haircut.

What’s the point of atheist groups how can you have a community for something you don’t believe in?

You fight against the belief in a god or just talk about things like science, equality, securalism which all benefit society but are highly discouraged by people who do believe in a god/diety

P.S. look here, you are clearly asking questions again and again and again with answers i already gave you so if you are not reading my replies stop talking to me

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@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
What’s the point in an atheist group you can have a community for something you don’t believe in. How can you be moral without god. How do you have any meaning in your life? Is atheism just a religion?

OMF gooodneesss why are you repeating the same exact fucking questions. Did you run out of questions. Just read the answers i gave in my last reply. Seriously wtf

I will just copy/paste my previous answers

What’s the point in an atheist group you can have a community for something you don’t believe in?

You fight against the belief in a god or just talk about things like science, equality, securalism which all benefit society but are highly discouraged by people who do believe in a god/diety.

How can you be moral without god. How do you have any meaning in your life? Is atheism just a religion?

A careful subjective concideration of the consequences of my objective actions on the well being of living creatures using my scientific education and logic.

If you believe in the god of the bible then who are you to tell me where i get my morals from. If you believe in the bible you believe in a book that supports slavery, violence, sexism, homophobia, sadomasochism...did you not read the verses i mentioned

EDIT:here are the verses i was referring to

1st the truth is not a matter of opinion
2nd thing, you do not have proof that the bible was written/commanded to be written by a god THEREFORE until there is evidence there is no good reason to believe in such BS. There is no good reason to believe in a god and of course faith which by définition a belief without evidence is useless thing and should never be used, why you ask?

Well let's start by talking about faith.
i didn't chose to be an atheist it happened because i say no sufficient evidence behind the religious claims, if there was evidence i would believe and of course faith is not a reliable pathway to truth since it can lead you to true and wrong conclusions with incredible inaccuracy so using it is useless.

Any way i have proof that the Bible is Sexist, Violent... and that it's unlikely that an invisible man in the sky commanded its writting, My proof is that an all loving, all good god wouldn't have ordered man to write down all of these things in his book:

SEXISM

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

HOMOPHOBIA

“In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)

VIOLENCE AND SADOMASOCHISM(loving a person you feer):

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

“Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)

“And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)

‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)

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SLAVERY

Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.

Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word “servant”, “bondservant”, or “manservant” instead of “slave” to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn’t mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?

The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and has sex with them!

What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don’t die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn’t know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

And these are just a couple of verses

P.S. usually  after i show a Christian these verses he tells me that it doesn't matter because most of these are in the old testament, well the 10 commandments are also in the old testament so do you also not want the 10 commandements? And by the way, there are no scenarios where a just and all good god would say “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” or “In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” or “Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” and a lot of other verses. And if you are going to say that you don't believe in these verses because they are in the old testament (by the way there are verses i mentioned outside the old testament but k) you'd have to say that you also don't believe in the 10 commandments since they are also in the old testament

Why do you hate God or you just angry God?

Oh a new question. I do not hate god or angry that would be rediculous, i do not believe god exists therefore i can not hate his existence stupeh. I hate that people are stupid enough to believe in fairy tales like god and hurt themselves and their societies with their mental masturbation.

Does the universe have a beginning that requires a ca does the universe have a beginning requires a cause that’s not god if so what is that cause?

Wtf. This is the 4th time you've asked this question. Stop asking the same questions, you clearly did not read any of my previous answers so this is just getting disrespectful and wasting my time. I'll copy paste the same answer again if you want

"Where do you believe god came from? Oh right, nowhere. So you believe that something that came from nothing created everything. Sigh

On the other hand we might never know where the universe came from but in that case we are still not justified in believing made up things on faith but we should be at peace with our ignorance and limitations and even if we can't be at peace with our ignorance that still doesn’t give you the right to believe made up things on faith, for now we do not know where everything came from but as physics shows it is physically possible for the whole universe to originate from nothing and there are many scientific books on the topic like "A universe from nothing" by Quantum Physicist lawrence Krauss, i do not know where the universe came from but as far as science has shown god comes as far as you can get to the last place on the ranking of the possible origins of the universe.

[TheStrangest]

You are clearly not reading my replies so stop asking questions and wasting my time

[Wolfie C.]

@topics27 Gods real or fake, who cares!