@sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:
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He means the ethical question of weather an embryo is human life or not which has a religious answer that is anti-research
Yes, it has a religious answer but that doesn't mean that everyone opposed it just for that one answer.
THAT'S THE ONLY ANTI E.S.C. RESEARCH ANSWERS AND ITS RELIGIOUS=EVERYONE WHO WAS AGAINST STEM CELL RESEARCH WAS USING RELIGIOUS LOGIC
THEY ARE RELIGIOUS STATEMENTS
They are
You are repeating my statement. You used the same argument against me once, remember.
https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/does_ethics_require_religion
ETHICS CAN EITHER BE RELIGIOUS OR SECULAR
SECULAR = SUPPORTS STEM CELL RESEARCH
RELIGIOUS = OPPOSES STEM CELL RESEARCH
THEREFORE THIS WAS RELIGIOUS ETHICS
ethical concerns pondered by scientists and by parents who want to help their children, or who want to have children; recognized widespread religious debate
Again, I talked about this. Religion is shown to be one of the reasons.
Let me fix this:
ethical concerns pondered by scientists and by religious parents who want to help their children, or who want to have children; recognized widespread religious debate
Scientists were always around 75% pro-E.S.C. because that is what is and was the percentage of neurologists and biologists back then research as evident from the book.
The percentage of atheists is so today but I'm not sure 15 years ago but it was probably very similar.
All the rest of the people who were against stem cell research were religious.
And the rest of the ethical reasons and there's no mention about whether that ethics are influenced by the religion or rather based on a more secular reason.
YOU DON'T NEED A MENTION.
There is NO FUCKING WAY FOR SECULAR MORALITY TO OPPOSE ESC RESEARCH BECAUSE YOU PRIMARILY NEED TO BELIEVE THE AN EMBRYO IS A SACRED LIFE FORM WITH A SOUL TO OPPOSE ESC RESEARCH THEREFORE THE ETHICS WAS RELIGIOUS. FUUUUUUUCK. HOW IS THIS NO CLEAR TO YOU
Here Bush finally stated his belief that life is a “sacred gift from our Creator,” and that he feels compelled to promote the protection of and respect for life.
Now, this is slightly tricky. In here he is saying that life is a sacred gift and it is meant to be protected and the prevalent ethicist (Scientist, doctors and proffesor) in that opposition believes that the embryo is a life in itself.
Wrong. It was just him who believed that. Non-religious Scientists (which are most scientists) were clear on that an embryo was not a sacred form of human life and so were atheists. This is a purely religious belief as evident. But forget the doctors. A lot of US doctors don't even believe in evolution, they're idiots so not for the sake of argument they're opinion is irrelevant. As apparent from the fact that lots of US doctors don't believe in evolution that means that a lot of them are religious so of course they'd be taking the religious side if the argument.
It could either mean that he thinks due to religious reason or since the ethics says that the embryo is a life and he wants to protect and respect lives.
No.
He thinks that the embryo is a life because of religious reasons like he said "sacred gift from our creator" and the ethics he was holding are religious ethics. Or did you mean burrow of ethics, yeah they also believed it was sacred life and should be preserved because of religious reasons since that's not what scientists stood for at the time and they're not scientists.
You could say that, that was a religious statement but you can't prove that his beleif of embryo being a life is due to relegion or ethics and since
I can. He said "sacred gift from our creator" which means that it's a religious belief. He was Christian. Duh
I don't/can't find anything to prove or oppose this, I would stop arguing against this.
Man. Do your own research please. It is very known among secularists and scientists that the reason for the ban of funding stem cell research is strictly religious. I was only explaining this to you, it has always been proven