A SECOND PROTEST LETTER

[BOOTS22]

@odin I did that because I trusted you. And you snapped it right in half. All you ever did was lie. I'm sick of being taken for granted.

[Lurker]

@odin said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

we modded @Mr-H instead of him even though @Mr-H decided to deny the job.

Noone asked me if I wanted that status to start off, so I shouldn't have been modded to start with, but even If I wanted the job, it would be rather hard to do anything with it when I was left in the dark, since I never got any kind of direction and orientation on what I should or shouldn't be doing.

The kind of "darkness" and leaving users in the dark ppl been talking about has been happening and not with just users but mods that get moded without their consent. I get that ppl have lives, but at least try to keep things more organized, at least a little bit more organized.

[ODIN]

@mr-h said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

@odin said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

we modded @Mr-H instead of him even though @Mr-H decided to deny the job.

Noone asked me if I wanted that status to start off, so I shouldn't have been modded to start with, but even If I wanted the job, it would be rather hard to do anything with it when I was left in the dark, since I never got any kind of direction and orientation on what I should or shouldn't be doing.

The kind of "darkness" and leaving users in the dark ppl been talking about has been happening and not with just users but mods that get moded without their consent. I get that ppl have lives, but at least try to keep things more organized, at least a little bit more organized.

We will on work on that.
But as i said, appointed peoples for the job are always the best options we had, believing they can handle the job.

[Lurker]

@odin said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

We will on work on that.
But as i said, appointed peoples for the job are always the best options we had, believing they can handle the job.

Thanks for the heads up and trust, but I don't fully agree on that, since in my case I never wanted the job so I could never be the best option.
But that wasn't even the issue, I believe that even "the best mod" can't and won't do a good job if he never gets any sort of guidance.

[ODIN]

@captain_rogers said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

@odin I did that because I trusted you. And you snapped it right in half. All you ever did was lie. I'm sick of being taken for granted.

I didnt want to tell you that "you cant handle tough situations" right infront of you cuz i took you as my own little brother. You had been making topics over and over when some one pisses you off. Its hard to control emotions sometimes and that is the reason why i got hard time modding you. Not that i ddnt want to, but still i had a thought of you being a mod, everything, every mistake that mods do, is my mistake, and i am the one to be blamed and everything.

[ODIN]

@mr-h said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

@odin said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

We will on work on that.
But as i said, appointed peoples for the job are always the best options we had, believing they can handle the job.

Thanks for the heads up and trust, but I don't fully agree on that, since in my case I never wanted the job so I could never be the best option.
But that wasn't even the issue, I believe that even "the best mod" can't and won't do a good job if he never gets any sort of guidance.

As i said, we will work on that., no mod had become a mod while knowing everything

[TheRisingSun]

@odin

Remember? :smirk:

[Lurker]

@odin said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

no mod had become a mod while knowing everything

No human was born knowing everything, that's why there are parents and school.

[A Former User]

@willow YES!!!!! THIS!!! roaring applause Preach it Willow!!

[ODIN]

@mr-h said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

@odin said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

no mod had become a mod while knowing everything

No human was born knowing everything, that's why there are parents and school.

We will guide you, that my point of saying "we will work on that"

[ODIN]

@therisingsun said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

@odin

Remember? :smirk:

Yup ikr....

[BOOTS22]

@odin wow so basically you think I'd make a mistake? You basically mean I'm a mistake? Apparently you really didn't know who I was. I know y'alls stupid rules and I have followed them. You know people change. You need to keep up old man.

[Lurker]

@odin said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

We will guide you, that my point of saying "we will work on that"

I hope that's the case. As we both said, I don't want the job but I never held any spite towards the website, just pointing out what we are lacking!

[A Former User]

@unmodded-nate said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

@g-a you brought up some good points here. Call me an American but I believe in democracy. I believe that people should be an integral part of choosing leaders, because at the end of the day, the leaders actually work for the general public. Maybe it's my military background but selfless-service should be at the forefront of every leader's mind. If you do not serve the people, you are a tyrant and if you are a tyrant the people WILL rise against you.

I also believe that leaders should not quit. I am poor example of this standard but I stepped down in order to make a statement. In the American Revolution many leaders quit their post and join the ranks of the people in order to fight corruption and be free. This essentially is what I have done. And if my efforts are in vain, at least I can say I tried my best.

Regardless of everything, I came her to meet people and have fun. I remained a mod so that I could serve the people and I now stand amongst the users of TWS, where I have been all along.

YEEESSSS!!!!!!! AMEN!!

[ODIN]

@captain_rogers said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

@odin wow so basically you think I'd make a mistake? You basically mean I'm a mistake? Apparently you really didn't know who I was. I know y'alls stupid rules and I have followed them. You know people change. You need to keep up old man.

Well nope. I think i made it clear how you handle things. And thats the point. I didnt mention that "you are mistake"

[ODIN]

@mr-h said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

@odin said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

We will guide you, that my point of saying "we will work on that"

I hope that's the case. As we both said, I don't want the job but I never held any spite towards the website, just pointing out what we are lacking!

If you dont want it then sure, we will look after another user who can fit the position brother. If you want it then let us know, and we will.guide you.

[BOOTS22]

@odin pretty much felt like it. And really? You think you know how I handle things but you truly have no damn idea how I handle things. All those posts and all that shit was in the past. As I said keep up.

[A Former User]

@odin said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

@captain_rogers said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

@odin I did that because I trusted you. And you snapped it right in half. All you ever did was lie. I'm sick of being taken for granted.

I didnt want to tell you that "you cant handle tough situations" right infront of you cuz i took you as my own little brother. You had been making topics over and over when some one pisses you off. Its hard to control emotions sometimes and that is the reason why i got hard time modding you. Not that i ddnt want to, but still i had a thought of you being a mod, everything, every mistake that mods do, is my mistake, and i am the one to be blamed and everything.

I don't understand this. You wanted to make a moderator knowing this person posts topics out of anger? Tell me again how this is NOT personal and biased?

Nothing against you @Captain_Rogers , it's just that I am finding major inconsistencies here and rather unprofessional conduct from a person who is supposed to be the leader and set an example of the guidelines and criteria for staff members.

If I am wrong or you see my views as being skewed, please elaborate and enlighten me. I'm open minded and always willing to listen and learn. @ODIN

[Lurker]

@odin said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:

If you dont want it then sure, we will look after another user who can fit the position brother. If you want it then let us know, and we will.guide you.

Thanks, yet again for the trust but I'm the kind of guy that needs to see in order to believe, so until things remain the same, i'll stay out of it, as the normal users I always been! ^^

[A Former User]

@odin I'm tired with all of this actually.. All of us are tired.. My suggestion would be, make an SOP/Manual/Policy so there would be reference and people won't question it or atleast maybe itll prevent something like this. And also consider the problem that users pointed out and make solutions. Listen to all of their suggestions too if its for the best. We just want better TWS. As I've told you, I feel uncomfortable or unsafe here.. Or rather there are things that's not right.

You told me the requirements of being a mod but even mods don't know those. Sad......

so I hope their would be an orientation or guide for mods.. Or maybe their would be assigned partners. For example, senior mod would be assigned to this new mod so that s/he will be guided. Of course other senior mods can guide the new mod too.

And on @Bela 's case.. Why did you not tell her from the start that you don't need a Moderator n her timezone? You could have said that so there's no need for her to apply at that time.

Lastly, you haven't replied my last question about users asking for permanent banning. I think there's this "secret" thing.

User: May I request to ban me permanently?