@thestrangest According to man. What better way to manipulate than to have people believe that they are insignificant? If man created God than we are creatures with self appointed purpose existing on a blue planet somewhere in a universe of energy.
If man is created by God, than we are all sons and daughters of a superior being with a divine purpose to inherit all that God has.
But that's just a theory, I suppose.
@pinkfloyd said in What is you imagination about god?:
@vahid-0 i feel there is a god every second of the day. knowing that a tiny detail is controlling our existence like ex. how far is Earth from the sun and knowing that a slight difference may burn us or freeze us. its just that every thing is accurately done
Oh great the fine tuning argument, the most beat to death argument that never makes sense. Look 1st life could've come to existence without god, proof? We know how life came to life, evolution. Aslong as there was a 1st single cellular life then life is very likely to evolve and if the earth was different and our kind of life couldn't evolve and survive then guess what? A type of life that can survive on this different earth would evolve, life isn't that improbable in the universe but even if it was that wouldn't mean god caused it not to mention that 99% of all species that have ever existed have gone extinct and that this isn't really a world fine tuned for life
and i dont think it is done by its own or that only a great explosion led to this somehow
i am pretty sure something bigger who is above all of this
Welp you'd be wrong, what? You're literally not believing in proven(the big bang and evolution) things so that you can believe in religious bullshit on faith
You can disbelieve in the scientific method if you want but
a lot of religious people don't believe in Evolution nor the Big Bang which if we go back in their past far enough, eventually we'll find that they don't because of a lack of understanding and belief in the scientific method. You can't just say that you don't believe in something in science because you don't understand it, that's an argument from incredulity fallacy. The scientific method is why science works, it is why we can believe science without faith(read this hidden explanation of the scientific method later when feel like it) :
The scientific method is a process for experimentation that is used to explore observations and answer questions. Does this mean all scientists follow exactly this process? No. Some areas of science can be more easily tested than others. For example, scientists studying how stars change as they age or how dinosaurs digested their food cannot fast-forward a star's life by a million years or run medical exams on feeding dinosaurs to test their hypotheses. When direct experimentation is not possible, scientists modify the scientific method. In fact, there are probably as many versions of the scientific method as there are scientists! But even when modified, the goal remains the same: to discover cause and effect relationships by asking questions, carefully gathering and examining the evidence, and seeing if all the available information can be combined in to a logical answer.
Steps of the Scientific Method:
1.Ask a Question: The scientific method starts when you ask a question about something that you observe: How, What, When, Who, Which, Why, or Where?
For a science fair project some teachers require that the question be something you can measure, preferably with a number.2.Do Background Research: Rather than starting from scratch in putting together a plan for answering your question, you want to be a savvy scientist using library and Internet research to help you find the best way to do things and insure that you don't repeat mistakes from the past.
3.Construct a Hypothesis: A hypothesis is an educated guess about how things work. It is an attempt to answer your question with an explanation that can be tested. A good hypothesis allows you to then make a prediction:
"If _____[I do this] _____, then [this] will happen."
State both your hypothesis and the resulting prediction you will be testing. Predictions must be easy to measure.4.Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment: Your experiment tests whether your prediction is accurate and thus your hypothesis is supported or not. It is important for your experiment to be a fair test. You conduct a fair test by making sure that you change only one factor at a time while keeping all other conditions the same.
You should also repeat your experiments several times to make sure that the first results weren't just an accident.5.Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion: Once your experiment is complete, you collect your measurements and analyze them to see if they support your hypothesis or not.
Scientists often find that their predictions were not accurate and their hypothesis was not supported, and in such cases they will communicate the results of their experiment and then go back and construct a new hypothesis and prediction based on the information they learned during their experiment. This starts much of the process of the scientific method over again. Even if they find that their hypothesis was supported, they may want to test it again in a new way.6.Communicate Your Results: To complete your science fair project you will communicate your results to others in a final report and/or a display board. Professional scientists do almost exactly the same thing by publishing their final report in a scientific journal or by presenting their results on a poster or during a talk at a scientific meeting. In a science fair, judges are interested in your findings regardless of whether or not they support your original hypothesis
Btw are you suggesting that somehow faith can be used at the same time as alternative fact?
When we use the 2nd meaning(from the definition of faith in the dictionary):strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
Do you NEED faith to believe in your religion, as in, can you believe in your religion without faith?
Usually the answer is no
i didn't chose to be an atheist, it happened because i saw no sufficient evidence behind the religious claims, if there was evidence i would believe and of course faith is not a reliable pathway to truth since it can lead you to true and wrong conclusions with incredible inaccuracy so using it is useless
Why use an UNRELIABLE PATHWAY TO TRUTH to believe that something is TRUE. I don't thank that's a good idea
and if someone can proove and convince me i that there is no god and that we are all living with no purpose then i think i will kill my self as it wont really matter what to do with my life
Welp then
1st the burden of proof is on the theist and not the atheist, you're the one making the claim therefore the burden is on you.
Example
Person1 : <<i have 10 tons of gold at my house>>
Person2 : <<woh that's unlikely, i don't believe you because i see no proof for your claim>>
Person1 : <<prove that they don't exist >>
Person2 : <<dafuq that's not how this works>>
Just replace "10 tons of gold" with "god"
2nd oh boohoo you're gonna kill yourself if it turns out god doesn't exist
if god doesn't exist that doesn't mean life is meaningless, are you really living this life waiting for death so you can pass onto the next one? That's sad because last time i checked you can create your own purpose in this world, you don't need an afterlife when life can be it's own award. Even if you will stay a theist i think these 3 vids can REALLY help you if that's the case:
@jacob55 said in What is you imagination about god?:
@thestrangest According to man. What better way to manipulate than to have people believe that they are insignificant?
What better way to manipulate than to have people think that if they won't do something then they won't have a good afterlife?
If man created God than we are creatures with self appointed purpose existing on a blue planet somewhere in a universe of energy.
Yeah and what's wrong with that?
If man is created by God, than we are all sons and daughters of a superior being with a divine purpose to inherit all that God has.
Oh right, because a loving father would put his children in hell for nor praising him. In any case, if the belief in god is used that doesn't make it true, no proof of god=no good reason to believe in god. How is believing you're going to have a 2nd shot at life going to make you live this one better?
Answer: it won't
But that's just a theory, I suppose.
Dude there's no point debating you, you've set your mind to something and nothing will change it, same for 99% of people i debate but i do it anyways to improve my debating skills
"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste
much of it. Life is long enough, and it's been given to us in generous measure for accomplishing the greatest things, if the whole of it is well invested." - Seneca the younger(4BC-65AD)
P.S. In debates, I'm second to none
I've left the site so if anyone wants to contact me(i won't always be free to talk tho), my Snapchat is thejaberom, any further questions shall be reported to willow and passed onto me
@ragnar noice thoughts m8 but there's still 0 proof of that, just a reminder
@thestrangest dude u r ditching the problem,,,,there r lots of evidence that says god exist
@vahid-0 said in What is you imagination about god?:
@thestrangest dude u r ditching the problem,,,,there r lots of evidence that says god exist
Oh really? Like what?
@thestrangest all of your long text,,,,,if there is no god then what we r living?
Pls say one simple reason that why u believe there is no god
@vahid-0 said in What is you imagination about god?:
@thestrangest all of your long text,,,,,if there is no god then what we r living?
Uhm your English sucks and i don't understand your question. Uses google translate and translate it from another language
Pls say one simple reason that why u believe there is no god
I don't believe there is no god, i don't believe there is a good reason to believe a god exists, there's a difference
@pinkfloyd you ok there m8?
"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste
much of it. Life is long enough, and it's been given to us in generous measure for accomplishing the greatest things, if the whole of it is well invested." - Seneca the younger(4BC-65AD)
P.S. In debates, I'm second to none
I've left the site so if anyone wants to contact me(i won't always be free to talk tho), my Snapchat is thejaberom, any further questions shall be reported to willow and passed onto me
@thestrangest all of your long text,,,,,if there is no god then what we r living?
Pls say one simple reason that why u believe there is no god
One important reason is lots of innocent people that r killed everyday,,"they have no right for living?who can give them hope in this world.
@vahid-0 said in What is you imagination about god?:
@thestrangest all of your long text,,,,,if there is no god then what we r living?
DUDE, you just repeated yourself. I don't understand. Use google translate or some shit
Pls say one simple reason that why u believe there is no god
There not having proof is a good reason to not believe in anything
One important reason is lots of innocent people that r killed everyday,,"they have no right for living?who can give them hope in this world.
So you're saying that innocent people who are getting killed everyday need to believe in god for hope? Most of the time they're getting killed in the name of someone's god, solve that dilemma. Look here dude i don't feel like debating with you, just read what i said and don't respond to it
@thestrangest dude,god bless u and me...we dont understand each other,,,,,,
i fell in love with someone in past just god helped me and gave me the calm,,,do u believe in love?who has created love?
@mamababa12 said in What is you imagination about god?:
Well im a Christian, and i do believe that God exists from many reasons:
Oh here we fucking go
- Where did the Bible come from?
Men wrote it
from many writters from ancient history and they wrote from ancient history the true history from Adam and Eve at Jesus.
What the fuck are you talking about? There is 0 historical proof of god and we KNOW for sure Adam and Eve didn't exist because man evolved from earlier species
- When i read the Bible and pray i feel that God is with us in every second watching us and putting us temptations and tryes, why?
Because your brain unforces your delusions, all religious people even from religions you believe to be false feel these things
Because we need to learn what is Sin and what is not.
Sin is a made up concept
There is a saying: Sin is pleasure for a season, but later it will lead you to Death. ( I think you understand what ''death'' means)
No, this saying is retarded. Most people have empathy and they feel bad doing bad things if that is what you mean by sin
- Have you ever had a memory that happened a miracle in it?
Your English sucks and i don't even know what you're talking about
or something that was supernatural? well I had, i`ll admit that when i was sick in the other hour i was healed by Jesus even though i was feeling bad and sick the other hour i could go with my sister at Zoo and i still felt a little bad, in that day i was so suprised and thanked Jesus for healing me.
You were sick and you got better, and that's proof of an indivisible sky daddy you call jesus, even though we know anti-heroes exist and those are what make you get better....
Watch that video till you understand it
- I think everybody knows the acceptance of Jesus in ur heart, when i was 11 years old i accepted Jesus as my Savior.
Dude you're 12, what are you talking about. Jesus didn't exist historically as far as we know and more than that even if he did there's no fucking reason to believe he gor resurrected from the dead, what a bunch of bull crap
And i felt that a door was open in my heart that was with sin, which he cleansed the sins that i've done.
Uhm sure, are you sure you're not schizophrenic?
- My imagination of God? Well it doesnt matter how God's appearance is as long as we believe in Him
I think the opposite is true, you should never believe in god
i admit that im not on God's path sometimes but He made us our children from the proof that He gave his only Son Jesus for us,so that He should be the sacrifice for us, which we never deserved this, even in an thousand years
1st there's no good reason to believe god or a literal jesus ever existed
2nd
and another gift: God gave us the decision to decide our life
The Good path? or the Bad path? You Decide How You Live.
Free will can't exist with or without god
Free will is
"having the ability to choose from multiple choices"
Why i think it doesn't exist in a universe with a god:
God is omniscient therefore he knows everything, he knew everything you're going to do in your life, in other words there is a specefic determined signature set of chronological actions that you have to do in your life otherwise god wouldn't be omniscient and since in that case all your options are predestined you can never have more than 1 choice at any specefic moment in life meaning you don't have free will
Why i think it doesn't exist in a universe with no god:
From a physics point of view there is cause and effect therefore the past determines the future and you only have 1 specific chronology of actions that you follow therefore you don't have the ability to choose from multiple choices
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Yeah and harry potter said "give me that wand", does that mean magic wands are real? Quoting the bible isn't going to get you anywhere because there's no reason to believe anything in the bible is true
@vahid-0 said in What is you imagination about god?:
@thestrangest dude,god bless u and me...we dont understand each other,,,,,,
i fell in love with someone in past just god helped me and gave me the calm,,,do u believe in love?who has created love?
I already answered that here on this reply to YOU
Just read what I've written already and stop asking me questions, I'm not going to answer you anyways
@thestrangest said in What is you imagination about god?:
@pinkfloyd you ok there m8?
I know you're watching
@thestrangest when u have no answer pls be quite
@vahid-0 said in What is you imagination about god?:
@thestrangest when u have no answer pls be quite
I answered your question here (just click on "here") dumbass you just didn't read it
You m8 like these bible verses btw:
SEXISM
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)
“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)
HOMOPHOBIA
“In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)
VIOLENCE AND SADOMASOCHISM(loving a person you feer):
“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)
“Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)
“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)
“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)
“And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)
‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)
SLAVERY
Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.
Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word “servant”, “bondservant”, or “manservant” instead of “slave” to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn’t mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.
The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?
The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and has sex with them!
What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don’t die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn’t know they were doing anything wrong.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
And these are just a couple of verses
P.S. usually after i show a Christian these verses he tells me that it doesn't matter because most of these are in the old testament, well the 10 commandments are also in the old testament so do you also not want the 10 commandements? And by the way, there are no scenarios where a just and all good god would say “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” or “In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” or “Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” and a lot of other verses. And if you are going to say that you don't believe in these verses because they are in the old testament (by the way there are verses i mentioned outside the old testament but k) you'd have to say that you also don't believe in the 10 commandments since they are also in the old testament
@vahid-0 your question- what is your imagination about god?*
@thestrangest yes i am ok dont worry about me
but i want to tell you something that every body sees everything the way he wants and denies the other opinions
you linked videos for why isnt there a god and how we are all fish
and you will find other videos saying other things like scientific proofs saying god is there but you just ignore these
and my friend you cant deny the presence of something if you cant see it
if you say all the holy books are made up then how did they predict things happening in our current world
and i am going to tell you again how can a universe this big and so detailed be uncontrolled and yet uncreated every thing is precisely measured and controlled
why is earth accurately this far from earth?
and if we were fish why didnt all the fish become monkeys and all monkeys become humans
why are there still fish and monkeys?
and about science
you cant explain everything by science
if you were in a place you dont know and there are two rooms with their doors open, one with light off and the other on
you will enter the on with its light on as you would think its more secure or something
how can this be explained scientificly
and as you said that living this life has a purpose anyways even there wasnt a god maybe by gathering money or by being someone important in your community
but how does this all matters if you are going to die eventually?
billions wont stop you from dying
how can something be so carved and perfect and you say its just there nobody created it or controlled it
i am not here to guide you to the right way or convince you anything and i hope you goodluck
and i am not nearly capable or ready to make an end to this conversation but i surely know that science isnt the only guide i take in my decisions and the way i think
and excuse my bad english
