Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational
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@Sij said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
We cannot even prove the existence of this universe and the world we see and feel, let alone proving the existence of god.
Hehe :joy:. Yap.
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@Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
@pe7erpark3r said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
@Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
Atheism has two definitions
There is no god, this definition is not based on faith. Will you call Bertrand Russell's atheism was based on his faith ? Apparently his all counterarguments for five proofs for god's existence were logical and valid.
The following are his arguments. (https://bigthink.com/scotty-hendricks/why-bertrand-russell-was-not-a-christian.)
The first cause argument
This argument is simple; it maintains that since everything must have a cause, there must be a first cause to start everything else. This first cause is God and is exempted from needing a cause itself. Russell points out that if we can decide that one thing doesn’t need a cause, we have no reason not to say the world itself wasn’t the thing without a cause.
This one is true. But it does not disprove God. It just states that the world could also be without reason. As I tried to show however this gives the world some irrational properties. Still Russels argument holds true.
You misinterpreted him about disproving the God or you did not read about this argument.
In his own words, ''My father taught me that the question 'Who made me?' cannot be answered, since it immediately suggests the further question `Who made god?'" That very simple sentence showed me, as I still think, the fallacy in the argument of the First Cause. If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause.''He clearly wrote the fallacy of first cause. As I have said, God II will make God I and God III will make God II and so on. God too should have a cause So, fallacy is itself in this argument
I find the part of the argument I copied from that website is less flawed.
Why should God need a cause, when nature does not need a cause?
In other words: you have to excempt something from having a cause, wether that is God or nature.
The natural law argument:
This one centers on the idea that the laws of physics needed to be set. It then assumes that the being who determined them was God. Russell finds this one to be outdated given advances in physics since the days of Newton, particularly in quantum mechanics. Since atomic physics is more statistical than classical, Russell contends that it seems odd to claim that an intelligence is involved in physics. Saying:
“There is, as we all know, a law that if you throw dice you will get double sixes only about once in thirty-six times, and we do not regard that as evidence that the fall of the dice is regulated by design.”
As with dice rolls, so with reality, he argues.This can be countered by the fact, that even though things happen without a cause they don't happen without a reason. It's the same kind of thing that happens over and over again: quantum particles appear out of nothing, with an opposite charge / opposite spin. It is a zero-sum game, but it is a regular one.
In his own words, ''natural laws are a description of how things do in fact behave, and being a mere description of what they in fact do, you cannot argue that there must be somebody who told them to do that, because even supposing that there were, you are then faced with the question "Why did God issue just those natural laws
and no others?" If you say that he did it simply from his own good pleasure, and without any reason, you then find that there is something which is not subject to law, and so your train of natural law is interrupted. If you say, as more orthodox theologians do, that in all the laws which God issues he had a reason for giving those laws rather than others -- the reason, of course, being to create the best universe, although you would never think it to look at it -- if there were a reason for the laws which God gave, then God himself was subject to law, and therefore you do not get any advantage by introducing God as an intermediary. You really have a law outside and anterior to the divine edicts, and God does not serve your purpose, because he is not the ultimate lawgiver. In short, this whole argument about natural law no longer has anything like the strength that it used to have.He was talking about probability of double sixes for designer which is 1/36.
As we have seen an inference is not direct like perception and natural laws are self-caused
Natural laws are not self-caused (gravity does not cause gravity, it causes things to fall down) and thus you cannot have shown that they are self-caused.
Asking yourself why God has put certain laws in place is nonsense, since (if He exists) you cannot possibly understand God's reasoning.
The version of the argument I copied from the website is thus less flawed, since it simply states that the fact that physics itself could be random, one does not need God. That would would be true, if physics was truly random. But the scientific truth is: we don't know if it is. (By this I mean, we simply don't know [yet] if the laws of physics are the way the are in our universe because of chance).
The argument from design:
This perennial favorite argues that lifeforms are so well suited to their environments that a designer must have been involved. Russell dismisses this as absurd. He not only notes that Darwin explains the observed facts better through evolutionary theory but also points out how terrible some of the design choices are if they were, in fact, choices. He asks the audience:
“Do you think that, if you were given millions of years in which to perfect your world, you could produce nothing better than the Ku Klux Klan or the Fascists?”
He shouldn't have used people for his argument there, since theists claim that people have free choice, and that therefore evil cannot be blamed on God.
And free will is against man is made in the image of god verse. Do not forget that
Why would free will be against the idea of humans being made in the image of God? God – if He exists – has ultimate freedom, He just simply is the definition of Good Himself. We obviously don't have ultimate freedom, like an image could never be the same as the original, but free will, to decide between doing good and doing bad, could indeed be called an image of the ultimate freedom.
But he is right about the physical world not being perfect. This is a good argument. But you still have the choice of finding it truly convincing, since you cannot claim to know why God might have made the world in this way.
After looking at a few others, he concludes that the arguments for the existence of a God are all lacking in rigor. Since Russell, famously, held that the burden of proof is on the person making a claim, the failure of these proofs leaves him with no reason to assume God’s existence.
This one is the actual crux, and its not even a bad one: "Since you claim that there is God and you cannot prove his existence, I have no reason to believe you." Thus it is not unfair to call not believing an God a rational choice.
In his own words, ''Here we find in this world a great deal of injustice, and so far as that goes that is a reason for supposing that justice does not rule in the world; and therefore so far as it goes it affords a moral argument against deity and not in favor of one.''
He was talking about the faith of theism. How they consider God as a justice of the world without even any weak argument.This is a "new" argument, that wasn't on my list. The argument makes sense. However it requires you again to reason about God's reasoning, which – in case He exists – is not something that we could possibly do and arrive at the truth...
However it is also true, that God is not disprovable,
God is disprovable because first cause argument is defective
As shown above, you have to excempt something from the first-cause argument, wether that is God or nature. And since you have to do this you cannot say that the argument is flawed "because God must be caused".
And even if you had shown that the problem with the first-cause argument was in fact conclusive: proving an argument wrong, does not prove its result wrong.
and that there are questions that must forever remain unanswered about the origin of the universe (and other things). So it is not unfair either to call not believing in God a form of faith.
I gave you some links for agnosticism atheism. Check the link again. You cannot say former definition is based on faith
Also whatever source are you reading from, is not reliable and it consists of some uncomprehending argumentsRussels notion is, that since there is no proof of God, it is rational to assume that God is not. This argument is indeed rational.
Since assuming that God does not exist requires you to excempt nature from the first-cause argument (it puts nature in the place of God, it does not solve the problem) you are presented with a question that you cannot solve. Thus assuming that God does not exist requires you to be at least a bit irrational about how you think of nature, as I have shown in the topic.
It is also true, that since there is no disproof of God, and quite a bit of evidence of things He does (however inconclusive), it is also rational to assume that God is.
So I would say it is fair to call atheism a belief, just as it is fair to call not believing in God rational.
These are the arguments in their entirety (including the first post = the topic itself). No further source needed.
http://www.naturalthinker.net/trl/texts/Russell,Bertrand/Religion/Bertrand Russell - Why I am not a Christian.pdf
Check this out. It is pdf of his essay 'why I'm not a Christian'This is a genius lecture about Russels reasons for being an atheist no doubt. However a lot of things are a bit dated. For example he calls it very doubtful wether christ was a historic figure. This was written in a time, when a lot of arguments had been presented that made christs historicity doubtful. But we have progressed a lot since then, and many of the arguments have been successfully refuted.
I can see now, where you have your arguments from. Very interesting read. Don't take these things as facts though. Natural science and science of history have progressed quite a bit since it was written.
All kinds of convictions have a psychological aspect.
A coin is tossed
2 results may come out - head or tail
Elaborate how it is a psychological aspect."All kinds of" is an idiom. It does not have to mean "all", it usually means "many". This was just a side note of little importance, please forget about it.
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@pe7erpark3r said in [Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational](/post/252836): > @Electrifying-Guy said in [Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational](/post/252573): > > @pe7erpark3r said in [Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational](/post/252470): > > > @Electrifying-Guy said in [Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational](/post/252331): > > > > Atheism has two definitions > > > > > > > > There is no god, this definition is not based on faith. Will you call Bertrand Russell's atheism was based on his faith ? Apparently his all counterarguments for five proofs for god's existence were logical and valid. > > > > > > The following are his arguments. (https://bigthink.com/scotty-hendricks/why-bertrand-russell-was-not-a-christian.) > > > > > > The first cause argument > > > > > > > This argument is simple; it maintains that since everything must have a cause, there must be a first cause to start everything else. This first cause is God and is exempted from needing a cause itself. Russell points out that if we can decide that one thing doesn’t need a cause, we have no reason not to say the world itself wasn’t the thing without a cause. > > > > > > This one is true. But it does not disprove God. It just states that the world could also be without reason. As I tried to show however this gives the world some irrational properties. Still Russels argument holds true. > > > > > > You misinterpreted him about disproving the God or you did not read about this argument. > > In his own words, ''My father taught me that the question 'Who made me?' cannot be answered, since it immediately suggests the further question `Who made god?'" That very simple sentence showed me, as I still think, the fallacy in the argument of the First Cause. If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause.'' > > > > He clearly wrote the fallacy of first cause. As I have said, God II will make God I and God III will make God II and so on. God too should have a cause So, fallacy is itself in this argument > > I find the part of the argument I copied from that website is less flawed. > > Why should God _need_ a cause, when nature does _not need_ a cause? > > In other words: you _have to_ excempt _something_ from having a cause, wether that is God or nature. > I agree but we have seen how matter is self-cause whereas God is not > > > > The natural law argument: > > > > This one centers on the idea that the laws of physics needed to be set. It then assumes that the being who determined them was God. Russell finds this one to be outdated given advances in physics since the days of Newton, particularly in quantum mechanics. Since atomic physics is more statistical than classical, Russell contends that it seems odd to claim that an intelligence is involved in physics. Saying: > > > > “There is, as we all know, a law that if you throw dice you will get double sixes only about once in thirty-six times, and we do not regard that as evidence that the fall of the dice is regulated by design.” > > > > As with dice rolls, so with reality, he argues. > > > > > > > > > > > > This can be countered by the fact, that even though things happen without a cause they don't happen without a reason. It's the same kind of thing that happens over and over again: quantum particles appear out of nothing, with an opposite charge / opposite spin. It is a zero-sum game, but it is a regular one. > > > > > > > > > In his own words, ''natural laws are a description of how things do in fact behave, and being a mere description of what they in fact do, you cannot argue that there must be somebody who told them to do that, because even supposing that there were, you are then faced with the question "Why did God issue just those natural laws > > and no others?" If you say that he did it simply from his own good pleasure, and without any reason, you then find that there is something which is not subject to law, and so your train of natural law is interrupted. If you say, as more orthodox theologians do, that in all the laws which God issues he had a reason for giving those laws rather than others -- the reason, of course, being to create the best universe, although you would never think it to look at it -- if there were a reason for the laws which God gave, then God himself was subject to law, and therefore you do not get any advantage by introducing God as an intermediary. You really have a law outside and anterior to the divine edicts, and God does not serve your purpose, because he is not the ultimate lawgiver. In short, this whole argument about natural law no longer has anything like the strength that it used to have. > > > > He was talking about probability of double sixes for designer which is 1/36. > > > > As we have seen an inference is not direct like perception and natural laws are self-caused > > Natural laws are not self-caused (gravity does not cause gravity, it causes things to fall down) and thus you cannot have shown that they are self-caused. > Did you just forget first law of thermodynamics ? Do you really think an imagining entity will cause apple to fall on ground ? E.g. I throw a stone and apple falls on ground Explain me what causes apple to fall on ground ? Also explain me how an imaging entity can create energy ? For first (law of gravity) he should have limbs to do that For second which is already self cause makes him already irrational > Asking yourself why God has put certain laws in place is nonsense, since (if He exists) you cannot possibly understand God's reasoning. > 'You cannot know' is not an argument to believe in something who is beyond our perception > The version of the argument I copied from the website is thus less flawed, since it simply states that the fact that physics itself could be random, one does not need God. That would would be true, if physics was truly random. But the scientific truth is: we don't know if it is. (By this I mean, we simply don't know [yet] if the laws of physics are the way the are in our universe because of chance). > A kind of agree > > > > The argument from design: > > > > > > > > This perennial favorite argues that lifeforms are so well suited to their environments that a designer must have been involved. Russell dismisses this as absurd. He not only notes that Darwin explains the observed facts better through evolutionary theory but also points out how terrible some of the design choices are if they were, in fact, choices. He asks the audience: > > > > > > > > “Do you think that, if you were given millions of years in which to perfect your world, you could produce nothing better than the Ku Klux Klan or the Fascists?” > > > > > > He shouldn't have used people for his argument there, since theists claim that people have free choice, and that therefore evil cannot be blamed on God. > > > > > > > And free will is against man is made in the image of god verse. Do not forget that > > Why would free will be against the idea of humans being made in the image of God? God – if He exists – has ultimate freedom, He just simply is the definition of Good Himself. We obviously don't have ultimate freedom, like an image could never be the same as the original, but free will, to decide between doing good and doing bad, could indeed be called an image of the ultimate freedom. > I was reading interpretion of bible from some website, Your interpretation is very different to that one so it is not my mistake :( Also, he will send me in hell if I do some sins. I will not do those sins because I'm afraid of going to hell. Isn't it against free will ? Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able ? Then he is not omnipotent Is he able, but not willing ? Then he is malevolent Is he both able and willing ? Then whence cometh evil ? Is he neither able nor willing ? Then why call him God ? > > > But he is right about the physical world not being perfect. This is a good argument. But you still have the choice of finding it truly convincing, since you cannot claim to know why God might have made the world in this way. > > > > > > > After looking at a few others, he concludes that the arguments for the existence of a God are all lacking in rigor. Since Russell, famously, held that the burden of proof is on the person making a claim, the failure of these proofs leaves him with no reason to assume God’s existence. > > > > > > This one is the actual crux, and its not even a bad one: "Since you claim that there is God and you cannot prove his existence, I have no reason to believe you." Thus it is not unfair to call not believing an God a rational choice. > > > In his own words, ''Here we find in this world a great deal of injustice, and so far as that goes that is a reason for supposing that justice does not rule in the world; and therefore so far as it goes it affords a moral argument against deity and not in favor of one.'' > > He was talking about the faith of theism. How they consider God as a justice of the world without even any weak argument. > > This is a "new" argument, that wasn't on my list. The argument makes sense. However it requires you again to reason about God's reasoning, which – in case He exists – is not something that we could possibly do and arrive at the truth... > > > > > However it is also true, that God is not disprovable, > > > > God is disprovable because first cause argument is defective > > As shown above, you have to exempt something from the first-cause argument, whether that is God or nature. And since you _have to do this_ you cannot say that the argument is flawed "because God must be caused". > > And even if you had shown that the problem with the first-cause argument was in fact conclusive: proving an argument wrong, does not prove its result wrong. > When cause aka god itself is doubtful its effect will also be doubtful its result will also be doubtful Do you know of any building that didn't have a builder? Do you know of any painting that didn't have a painter? Do you know of any car that didn't have a maker? If you answered YES for any of the above, give details > > > and that there are questions that must forever remain unanswered about the origin of the universe (and other things). So it is not unfair either to call not believing in God a form of faith. > > > > I gave you some links for agnosticism atheism. Check the link again. You cannot say former definition is based on faith > > Also whatever source are you reading from, is not reliable and it consists of some uncomprehending arguments > > Russels notion is, that since there is no proof of God, it is rational to assume that God is not. This argument is indeed rational. > > Since assuming that God does not exist requires you to excempt nature from the first-cause argument (it puts nature in the place of God, it does not solve the problem) you are presented with a question that you cannot solve. Thus assuming that God does not exist requires you to be at least a bit irrational about how you think of nature, as I have shown in the topic. > If i did put nature in the first cause it would be the the most rational argument for disproving the God. Because energy or matter is not created or destroyed by anyone. Nobody could cause it. It would be itself cause . > It is also true, that since there is no disproof of God, and quite a bit of evidence of things He does (however inconclusive), it is also rational to assume that God is. > > So I would say it is fair to call atheism a belief, just as it is fair to call not believing in God rational. > > These are the arguments in their entirety (including the first post = the topic itself). No further source needed. Whatever you would say will be not a fact. Facts are always different from opinions You don't want to read source because you are either lazy or you have just a mindset Read both definitions from here https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/ > These are the arguments in their entirety (including the first post = the topic itself). No further source needed. > > > http://www.naturalthinker.net/trl/texts/Russell,Bertrand/Religion/Bertrand%20Russell%20-%20Why%20I%20am%20not%20a%20Christian.pdf > > Check this out. It is pdf of his essay 'why I'm not a Christian' > > This is a genius lecture about Russels reasons for being an atheist no doubt. However a lot of things are a bit dated. For example he calls it very doubtful wether christ was a historic figure. This was written in a time, when a lot of arguments had been presented that made christs historicity doubtful. But we have progressed a lot since then, and many of the arguments have been successfully refuted. > > I can see now, where you have your arguments from. Very interesting read. Don't take these things as facts though. Natural science and science of history have progressed quite a bit since it was written. > My one source was his essay actually. The first cause counterargument in my first post and christ's historical fact were taken from it. Some other sources were my own knowledge and books issued from my city's library. More sources were taken from an Indian materialism school. That materialism school had theory of five elements which was a bit outdated. > > > All kinds of convictions have a psychological aspect. > > > > A coin is tossed > > 2 results may come out - head or tail > > Elaborate how it is a psychological aspect. > > "All kinds of" is an idiom. It does not have to mean "all", it usually means "many". This was just a side note of little importance, please forget about it. Alright In the end I'd describe how atheism is rational and theism is irrational Assume you are sitting in a library and it is restricted to go its terrace. You go to that library daily. Once a ceiling fan falls. There might be two probabilities behind this accident- 1. Law of motion 2. Someone Until here theism is somehow rational but not more than atheism because if someone caused the accident, he could born with body. Whereas law of motion was apparently perceived and only some irrational people would think god A.K.A. an imagining entity is beyond this accident (It is ofc ludicrous for us :joy:) You would ask who is there ? But nobody replies you. You got a habit of asking daily but still anyone from terrace does not reply. Here you imagine an unseen entity. You pray to your god daily but he never replies you. But you still think he is there. How theism is rational :joy: ? Avoiding sensual perceptions and living in imagination is humorous. Just imagine you travel spain to russia after closing your eyes but truth is you are sitting on a chair and typing on a keyboard This world or nature is eternal because energy or matter is reserved This world or nature is immoral You cannot prove any of god's attribute as we saw in debate earlier because you would say knowing him is impossible. I have my own arguments to disproving the God and calling theism irrational. An answer will be appreciable from you. 1. Religion runs in the family- It is 99% probable that you are follow the religion in your family because that’s what you have been taught right from your birth. You didn’t decide for yourself which is right or which is rational, at least. We all derive the knowledge from our ancestors which has been through the generations but did you know a new born baby has no believe in any religion 2. Common consent- One of the most common facts of people believing in God is that most people believe in HIM, because when a phenomenon is accepted by majority, it must be true, right ? Let’s compare it to slavery now, which was believed to be acceptable back in the times of Lincoln but now is accepted as a faulty practice 3. No growth in religion - When we look at the technological advancements, we realize a decade ago, we had no idea of the existence of the things that we are experiencing right now, for eg even the smartphone I’m typing this answer. Talking of the scientific evolution, can we apply the same thing to God ? No. We are stuck in believing facts that have been in circulation for centuries. If God exists, why are we so vague about His presence ? 4. Morality needs no religion - Most people believe that absence of God and religion would lead to utter chaos leading to immoral acts. But there are enough incidents to prove that Religious people commit immoral acts in the name of God to make their religion look superior. Hypocrisy, eh ? 5. Existence of evil - If theists say that God is noble and good, why do they ignore the existence of evil in the world ? If God loves us so dearly, why should He allow evils to exist ? Why should God allow wars and riots that destroy its own creations ? 6. Inconsistency of religions : Think for yourself. If God exists and He created all men and women equal, why do religions exist which forces people to perceive the same thing so differently? If God existed, wouldn’t He have been bigger ? with more powerful effects on the universe ? You are actually praying to things that we ourselves have built up. 7. The point where science fails : Gods existence is proved by pointing out phenomenon that science can’t explain and hence they are facilitated by God. And why not ? In ancient Greek, Poseidon was believed to be behind earthquakes but is now a scientific activity. It’s not a very convincing fact that our lack of knowledge about the cosmos be a substitute for the existence of a supernatural force. Your bike could be an example of child marriage as well. For an example my dad married in the age of 15. My grandfather married in the age of 12. They would insist me to do the child marriage because it is a practice in past and they ancestors did so. I'm against of any faulty social practice so i would deny and I will break the chain. The same logic goes with God and bike. God was created with humans' imagination for earning the money. But that doesn't mean a logical man wouldn't break the chain
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@Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
I agree but we have seen how matter is self-cause whereas God is not
No.
We only have cited the scientific consensus that is that energy/matter cannot be created or destroyed inside the universe. This is not equal to saying matter causes itself, or energy causes itself. Please stop saying that anything in the world causes itself, because that is just not something that has ever been observed or makes any sense rationally.
The only thing that was observed was that quantum particles seemingly appear without cause. This is not the same as self-cause however.
Did you just forget first law of thermodynamics ?
Do you really think an imagining entity will cause apple to fall on ground ?
E.g. I throw a stone and apple falls on ground
Explain me what causes apple to fall on ground ?
Also explain me how an imaging entity can create energy ?
For first (law of gravity) he should have limbs to do thatLet me give you a modern answer to an old question. Scientists these days have been wondering very deeply what the universe is at the bottom level. What are quantum particales really? The only thing we really know about them (apart from their existence) are their mathematical and statistical properities.
The answer that some scientists give is, that on the very lowest level of reality, the physical world is made up of information.
As you know information is the contents of the mind. Now it is not so hard to imagine anymore how God could have made the world or act in it right? He could simply think it.
But I really want to end the debate about how God could act in the natural world here, because – if He exists – it really makes no sense to wonder how He does things. This is all just a waste of time wether you argue for or against God...
For second which is already self cause makes him already irrational
I think we have said everything that could have been said about the problem of self-cause. I have nothing to add.
Asking yourself why God has put certain laws in place is nonsense, since (if He exists) you cannot possibly understand God's reasoning.
'You cannot know' is not an argument to believe in something who is beyond our perception
I did not say that. It is just an argument against Russels argument, that's all. Not an argument for God's existence.
I was reading interpretion of bible from some website, Your interpretation is very different to that one so it is not my mistake :(
No, it is not your fault. No need to assume, you can simply ask me :blush:
You need to know that basically there is
- the catholic church, which is the oldest and biggest church with the most followers. I am catholic and I do believe that the Lord will not mislead his church in its teachings. Also the catholic church is the one that tries to integrate reason and science into its teachings the most.
- the orthodox churches basically share the same teaching, but their method is not as scientific
- the anglican church who also shares the same teaching, but in recent years has basically left most of its old morality behind
- and then there are 20.000 protestant denominations, who basically originate from Martin Luther's teachings. They all have their own teachings, and you'll find truth as well as the greatest BS if you read their stuff. Its basically meaningless to even throw yourself in there. You'll never reach the end of the discussions of who's right.
So in general you can assume that my source for the catholic teachings is the catechism of the catholic church: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM
You will also hear from me my own believes (which to the best of my knowledge do not contradict the cathecism anywhere) and my own arguments.
Also, he will send me in hell if I do some sins. I will not do those sins because I'm afraid of going to hell. Isn't it against free will ?
- People of all ages who believed in God and believed in hell did still sin and also good. So it does not make a practical difference...
- You only go to hell if you do not accept God's mercy. Jesus after all came to save us from hell. Its basically also your free choice.
And last but not least, the catholic teaching about hell is the following: When you die, you see God who is absolute love, peace and joy. You also get to see your own deeds through God's eyes. This is judgement. Then you get His mercy offered to you for the final time. You now have the choice to accept his judgement and his mercy, or say: you have no right to judge me. If you don't accept His mercy, you don't accept Him. This means you will be without Him, which means you will be without love, peace and joy. And being without God, being without anything good (for God is all good) is hell. The love you did not accept burns hotter than you could ever imagine.
Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able ?
Then he is not omnipotent
Is he able, but not willing ?
Then he is malevolent
Is he both able and willing ?
Then whence cometh evil ?
Is he neither able nor willing ?
Then why call him God ?I cannot give you a rational answer, so you are allowed to say, that the following is no answer at all. But this is the catholic doctrine:
God's greatest wish for you is that you love Him. There is no love without free will. It would just be meaningless. Thus for free will to be, you must have the choice to do evil. Evil causes suffering. Willingly accepting suffering is to atone for your sins and for the sins of others (to be more correct it is Christ who atones in you). Thus through accepting suffering you can love God and your neighbour. Also, there is no such thing as love without sacrifice.
As I said this is not a rational answer, but it is the catholic doctrine.
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@Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
When cause aka god itself is doubtful its effect will also be doubtful
its result will also be doubtfulWe have the effects and the results. It is what we perceive. So we are thinking in the other direction.
Do you know of any building that didn't have a builder?
Do you know of any painting that didn't have a painter?
Do you know of any car that didn't have a maker?
If you answered YES for any of the above, give detailsI don't get where you are going with this. Of course not.
If i did put nature in the first cause it would be the the most rational argument for disproving the God. Because energy or matter is not created or destroyed by anyone. Nobody could cause it. It would be itself cause .
That matter or energy does not get created or destroyed is a scientific consensus (not a fact!), and it is limited to this universe only. And it is not rational to say that nature causes itself, for how can anything cause itself? The most rational (though not completely rational) thing you could say, is that nature has no cause and is eternal.
Whatever you would say will be not a fact. Facts are always different from opinions
You don't want to read source because you are either lazy or you have just a mindset
Read both definitions from here https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/You missunderstood. I did read your sources. I just have no source for my own arguments (the ones I was referring to, for others of my arguments I could give you sources), because 1. I wrote them in their entirety, thus you can think them trough and disprove them and 2. they are my own arguments, so I would only cite myself. Maybe someone else has thought them before me though, I wouldn't know and thus don't claim I'm the first.
In the end I'd describe how atheism is rational and theism is irrational
Assume you are sitting in a library and it is restricted to go its terrace. You go to that library daily. Once a ceiling fan falls.
There might be two probabilities behind this accident-- Law of motion
- Someone
Until here theism is somehow rational but not more than atheism because if someone caused the accident, he could born with body. Whereas law of motion was apparently perceived and only some irrational people would think god A.K.A. an imagining entity is beyond this accident (It is ofc ludicrous for us :joy:)
You would ask who is there ? But nobody replies you. You got a habit of asking daily but still anyone from terrace does not reply. Here you imagine an unseen entity. You pray to your god daily but he never replies you. But you still think he is there. How theism is rational :joy: ?
Actually He does reply to many, especially in our times (the times of the second pentecoste). Yeah, the imiginative entity is answering. The imaginative entitiy is even making predictions that come true. Like this message here which predicts the world trade center tragedy by exactly 10 years to the day. But of course that might be the collective unconscious or sheer chance. I cannot persuade you to believe, it is your choice :shrug:
Avoiding sensual perceptions and living in imagination is humorous. Just imagine you travel spain to russia after closing your eyes but truth is you are sitting on a chair and typing on a keyboard
This world or nature is eternal because energy or matter is reserved
This world or nature is immoral
You cannot prove any of god's attribute as we saw in debate earlier because you would say knowing him is impossible.Yes. Agreed. Knowing Him in a philosophical or rational way is impossible.
I have my own arguments to disproving the God and calling theism irrational. An answer will be appreciable from you.
- Religion runs in the family- It is 99% probable that you are follow the religion in your family because that’s what you have been taught right from your birth. You didn’t decide for yourself which is right or which is rational, at least. We all derive the knowledge from our ancestors which has been through the generations but did you know a new born baby has no believe in any religion
In fact christianity is the only religion that grows through conversion in our time and age. There are 10.000 babtisms every day in china alone.
- Common consent- One of the most common facts of people believing in God is that most people believe in HIM, because when a phenomenon is accepted by majority, it must be true, right ? Let’s compare it to slavery now, which was believed to be acceptable back in the times of Lincoln but now is accepted as a faulty practice
Agreed.
- No growth in religion - When we look at the technological advancements, we realize a decade ago, we had no idea of the existence of the things that we are experiencing right now, for eg even the smartphone I’m typing this answer. Talking of the scientific evolution, can we apply the same thing to God ? No. We are stuck in believing facts that have been in circulation for centuries. If God exists, why are we so vague about His presence ?
Actually the teachings of the catholic church and especially about morality have been developing. Or lets be more exact: they have gotten more detailed. Lets take slavery: it was never a dogma, that slavery was okay. It was accepted by the church, but it didn't take an official stance. In 1537 Pope Paul III officially condemned the enslavement of indigenous peoples. This was when the Americas slave trade was in full bloom. And today you can find this teaching in the catechism.
However what the church does of course (since we are talking about God) is to teach eternal (= non-changing) truths. So dogmata never change. But slavery was never a dogma.
- Morality needs no religion - Most people believe that absence of God and religion would lead to utter chaos leading to immoral acts. But there are enough incidents to prove that Religious people commit immoral acts in the name of God to make their religion look superior. Hypocrisy, eh ?
Agreed: morality does not need faith. There are many moral people who do not believe and many believers who are immoral.
However it is quite easy to show that immoral acts are unchristian. Didn't christ say to love your enemies? So if you don't love your enemy, you are not acting christian. And it does not matter if you act unchristian in the name of Christ. In the eyes of God your deeds are still evil...
- Existence of evil - If theists say that God is noble and good, why do they ignore the existence of evil in the world ? If God loves us so dearly, why should He allow evils to exist ? Why should God allow wars and riots that destroy its own creations ?
See my last post.
- Inconsistency of religions : Think for yourself. If God exists and He created all men and women equal, why do religions exist which forces people to perceive the same thing so differently? If God existed, wouldn’t He have been bigger ? with more powerful effects on the universe ? You are actually praying to things that we ourselves have built up.
Agreed. Many people are praying to things we have built up. Many are praying to false gods. Many are praying to the true God, but they don't know Him very well. There is only one true God and thus Christianity is the only religion that convinces people to join through conversion in this time and age (exceptions proving the rule).
- The point where science fails : Gods existence is proved by pointing out phenomenon that science can’t explain and hence they are facilitated by God. And why not ? In ancient Greek, Poseidon was believed to be behind earthquakes but is now a scientific activity. It’s not a very convincing fact that our lack of knowledge about the cosmos be a substitute for the existence of a supernatural force.
Yes people have pointed to lots of those things. Agreed that is irrational. I however have pointed to something that cannot ever be explained by science, something that has to be irrational (the origin of existence) and as you can see you were not able to convince me. But I think we can stop here. We have both said everything we could have said about the topic.
Your bike could be an example of child marriage as well. For an example my dad married in the age of 15. My grandfather married in the age of 12. They would insist me to do the child marriage because it is a practice in past and they ancestors did so. I'm against of any faulty social practice so i would deny and I will break the chain. The same logic goes with God and bike.
This comparison falls so short, that I don't even have words to express it.
God was created with humans' imagination for earning the money. But that doesn't mean a logical man wouldn't break the chain
This is not true. People always believed things. Religion is as old as humans. People have wondered what happens after death forever. People exploiting this deep need inside people's heart came after the fact.
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@DIV said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
@pe7erpark3r I despise the abrahamic way of life. And their idea of religion.
What exactly do you despise about it? And what is the abrahamic way of life to you?
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@pe7erpark3r said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
@Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
I agree but we have seen how matter is self-cause whereas God is not
No. We only have cited the scientific consensus that is that energy/matter cannot be created or destroyed inside the universe. This is not equal to saying matter causes itself, or energy causes itself. Please stop saying that anything in the world causes itself, because that is just not something that has ever been observed or makes any sense rationally.
Law of entropy says our universe is expanding faster and faster. Even though energy is finite and our universe is closed it still can spawn more energy space. Positive energy pushes space outward. When space expands, it releases gravitational potential energy which is already stored up. It converts into the intrinsic energy that fills the newly created volume. Expansion of the universe is controlled by law of conserved energy actually.
Our current universe is expanding and reserved energy is filling the space of it (it is a fact not only scientific consensus). However new energy is not creating but changing its form to do so.
Energy has no cause at all ......(1)Did you just forget first law of thermodynamics ?
Do you really think an imagining entity will cause apple to fall on ground ?
E.g. I throw a stone and apple falls on ground
Explain me what causes apple to fall on ground ?
Also explain me how an imaging entity can create energy ?
For first (law of gravity) he should have limbs to do thatLet me give you a modern answer to a modern question. Scientists these days have been wondering very deeply what the universe is at the bottom level. What are quantum particles really? The only thing we really know about them (apart from their existence) are their mathematical and statistical properties.
The answer that some scientists give is, that on the very lowest level of reality, the physical world is made up of information.
Information means knowledge or facts
Facts means certainty
Knowledge means things we can learn not we have/had learnt
We have learnt to worship and pray the God
We can learn with our free will whatever we wantAs you know information is the contents of the mind. Now it is not so hard to imagine anymore how God could have made the world or act in it right? He could simply think it.
Are you certain that your house is made by an imagining entity ? Your house is made by a builder not by him. This world doesn't exclude your house
Hence Information comes into my mind that a manufacturer made a car, a builder built my house and painting made by a painter. This world includes all three. Did you just exclude them from the world ? Have you even seen God create them ? How it is too easy to imagine him ?.....(2)Humans produce their baby after sex. It is certain that a baby was expelled from his mom's uterus. (you need an evidence for it, just go to a hospital)
Hence information comes into my mind that humans produced humans.......(3)By (1) information comes into my mind that other things of world created by energy. ........(4)
[I will also give you a source it is a fact or fiction]By (2),(3) and (4) together I got everything in the world is created by matter or humans
I have more arguments against this information theory itself
If information were fundamental, we could use it for improving the standard model of physics.
if the universe were a simulation, simulations are never perfect, so it might be possible to detect, at extreme levels of precision, fuzziness, bugs or even errors in the fine measurements of physics, E.g. drifts in core constantsBut I really want to end the debate about how God could act in the natural world here, because – if He exists – it really makes no sense to wonder how He does things. This is all just a waste of time wether you argue for or against God...
Yeah nibba, imagining an entity is not a fact
For second which is already self cause makes him already irrational
I think we have said everything that could have been said about the problem of self-cause. I have nothing to add.
I have added ^
Asking yourself why God has put certain laws in place is nonsense, since (if He exists) you cannot possibly understand God's reasoning.
'You cannot know' is not an argument to believe in something who is beyond our perception
I did not say that. It is just an argument against Russels argument, that's all. Not an argument for God's existence.
I was reading interpretion of bible from some website, Your interpretation is very different to that one so it is not my mistake :(
No, it is not your fault. No need to assume, you can simply ask me :blush:
You need to know that basically there is
- the catholic church, which is the oldest and biggest church with the most followers. I am catholic and I do believe that the Lord will not mislead his church in its teachings. Also the catholic church is the one that tries to integrate reason and science into its teachings the most.
- the orthodox churches basically share the same teaching, but their method is not as scientific
- the Anglican church who also shares the same teaching, but in recent years has basically left most of its old morality behind
- and then there are 20.000 protestant denominations, who basically originate from Martin Luther's teachings. They all have their own teachings, and you'll find truth as well as the greatest BS if you read their stuff. Its basically meaningless to even throw yourself in there. You'll never reach the end of the discussions of who's right.
Also, he will send me in hell if I do some sins. I will not do those sins because I'm afraid of going to hell. Isn't it against free will ?
- People of all ages who believed in God and believed in hell did still sin and also good. So it does not make a practical difference...
"If God made man in his image, why good doesn't stop him to do evil ?''
If good thing like god does evil things, then he is not good anymore, he is evil.- You only go to hell if you do not accept God's mercy. Jesus after all came to save us from hell. Its basically also your free choice.
By mercy I have one more argument
If he was merciful, why everyone in this world has pain, sorrow and fear. Someone has fear of death, someone has sorrow of losing her wife and someone has pain from his disease. Why not God sends his mercy to everyone of them ? What he is doing ? After-all they are his children. Aren't they ? Where is he sitting after creation of the world ?And last but not least, the catholic teaching about hell is the following: When you die, you see God who is absolute love, peace and joy. You also get to see your own deeds through God's eyes. This is judgement. Then you get His mercy offered to you for the final time. You now have the choice to accept his judgement and his mercy, or say: you have no right to judge me. If you don't accept His mercy, you don't accept Him. This means you will be without Him, which means you will be without love, peace and joy. And being without God, being without anything good (for God is all good) is hell. The love you did not accept burns hotter than you could ever imagine.
I could not understand why he doesn't send his mercy when we are living. ( it is irrational to errone)
@pe7erpark3r said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
@Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
When cause aka god itself is doubtful its effect will also be doubtful
its result will also be doubtfulWe have the effects and the results. It is what we perceive. So we are thinking in the other direction.
Do you know of any building that didn't have a builder?
Do you know of any painting that didn't have a painter?
Do you know of any car that didn't have a maker?
If you answered YES for any of the above, give detailsI don't get where you are going with this. Of course not.
The car, painting and building are effects of human, not of God (this is what we perceive)
If i did put nature in the first cause it would be the the most rational argument for disproving the God. Because energy or matter is not created or destroyed by anyone. Nobody could cause it. It would be itself cause .
That matter or energy does not get created or destroyed is a scientific consensus (not a fact!), and it is limited to this universe only. And it is not rational to say that nature causes itself, for how can anything cause itself? The most rational (though not completely rational) thing you could say, is that nature has no cause and is eternal.
Are you kidding me ?
It is a fact not only scientific consensus
Energy always conserved even though our universe is expanding
Meanwhile energy just changes its form, it doesn’t create more energy
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/energy-can-neither-be-created-nor-destroyed/In the end I'd describe how atheism is rational and theism is irrational
Assume you are sitting in a library and it is restricted to go its terrace. You go to that library daily. Once a ceiling fan falls.
There might be two probabilities behind this accident-- Law of motion
- Someone
Until here theism is somehow rational but not more than atheism because if someone caused the accident, he could born with body. Whereas law of motion was apparently perceived and only some irrational people would think god A.K.A. an imagining entity is beyond this accident (It is ofc ludicrous for us :joy:)
You would ask who is there ? But nobody replies you. You got a habit of asking daily but still anyone from terrace does not reply. Here you imagine an unseen entity. You pray to your god daily but he never replies you. But you still think he is there. How theism is rational :joy: ?
Actually He does reply to many, especially in our times (the times of the second pentecoste). Yeah, the imiginative entity is answering. The imaginative entitiy is even making predictions that come true. Like this message here which predicts the world trade center by exactly 10 years to the day. But of course that might be the collective unconscious or sheer chance. I cannot persuade you to believe, it is your choice :shrug:
This message was created by a human in 1998 and he updated it on 9-1-2019 http://i.imgur.com/icBHrKz.png.
But your link says message was written in 1991
What a manipulator lmao !
Also, we have already discussed such personal experiences are not reliable. They can be their illusion or manipulation because I studied myself in a catholic school (St.Anslem’s) where christian prayers we practiced everyday after our assembly but he never spoke to any of us. (It was not a hindu god, it was abrahmic god aka jesus) -
@Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
Law of entropy says our universe is expanding faster and faster. Even though energy is finite and our universe is closed it still can spawn more energy space. Positive energy pushes space outward. When space expands, it releases gravitational potential energy which is already stored up. It converts into the intrinsic energy that fills the newly created volume. Expansion of the universe is controlled by law of conserved energy actually.
Our current universe is expanding and reserved energy is filling the space of it (it is a fact not only scientific consensus). However new energy is not creating but changing its form to do so. ......(1)Read the first answer on quora on why I call it a scientific consensus: https://www.quora.com/Have-the-laws-of-thermodynamics-been-proven. I know this is not a scientific paper, but since I'm not a scientist this is the best I could come up with in this short amount of time. Kirill Nenartovich (the guy who wrote it) added a few links where you can read more.
"If God made man in his image, why good doesn't stop him to do evil ?''
If good thing like god does evil things, then he is not good anymore, he is evil.We are not evil things. But freedom, as explained, is much much much more valueable than having only the choice of doing good.
By mercy I have one more argument
If he was merciful, why everyone in this world has pain, sorrow and fear. Someone has fear of death, someone has sorrow of losing her wife and someone has pain from his disease. Why not God sends his mercy to everyone of them ? What he is doing ? After-all they are his children. Aren't they ? Where is he sitting after creation of the world ?God's mercy is about letting you be with Him. He gives himself. And he does that in all the pain, sorrow and fear. This is when we are closest to him. When we carry our cross.
I could not understand why he doesn't send his mercy when we are living. ( it is irrational to errone)
He does all the time. Sinners go to confession, and then they get to be with God again. In death is just the last moment.
Are you kidding me ?
It is a fact not only scientific consensus
Energy always conserved even though our universe is expanding
Meanwhile energy just changes its form, it doesn’t create more energy
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/energy-can-neither-be-created-nor-destroyed/As you can read in the quora answer, the second law of thermodynamics was recently challenged multiple times.
And the first law cannot be proven. It's kinda like God except that you call it a fact :joy:. Don't call it a fact. Get a real education.
This message was created by a human in 1998 and he updated it on 9-1-2019 http://i.imgur.com/icBHrKz.png.
But your link says message was written in 1991
What a manipulator lmao !This is just the online version of the message, duh. The original message was handwritten in 1991. I have a printed version of it – translated to german – that was printed in 1993. Of course I cannot send you a link to that. I could only send you a photo.
How about you don't accuse me of anything without fact checking first? I bet even in india you could get your hands on a version that was printed before 2001 if you tried hard enough...
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@Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
Also, we have already discussed such personal experiences are not reliable. They can be their illusion or manipulation because I studied myself in a catholic school (St.Anslem’s) where christian prayers we practiced everyday after our assembly but he never spoke to any of us. (It was not a hindu god, it was abrahmic god aka jesus)
You cannot be sure that God did not answer your classmates. You know that people don't like being talked to by God? Its because you'll be made fun of for it, and turned into a laughing stock (or worse :unamused:). I bet they wouldn't have told you... :yum:
But yes, they are not reliable. In fact there are many people who definitely hear nonsense in their heads. But that does not exclude the possiblity of God actually speaking to some. Especially if He then goes ahead and predicts things that actually happen. Go and check that private revelation I sent you the link if you don't believe me. Get an old copy and read whats written in there. I did exactly the same thing, when I heard about this for the first time... (wasn't too hard for me though, since my mom had this old copy since forever)
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@pe7erpark3r said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
@Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
Law of entropy says our universe is expanding faster and faster. Even though energy is finite and our universe is closed it still can spawn more energy space. Positive energy pushes space outward. When space expands, it releases gravitational potential energy which is already stored up. It converts into the intrinsic energy that fills the newly created volume. Expansion of the universe is controlled by law of conserved energy actually.
Our current universe is expanding and reserved energy is filling the space of it (it is a fact not only scientific consensus). However new energy is not creating but changing its form to do so. ......(1)Read the first answer on quora on why I call it a scientific consensus: https://www.quora.com/Have-the-laws-of-thermodynamics-been-proven. I know this is not a scientific paper, but since I'm not a scientist this is the best I could come up with in this short amount of time. Kirill Nenartovich (the guy who wrote it) added a few links where you can read more.
The first pdf had a 404 error but I still checked from somewhere else
You came up with no argument for your facts/information theory which I pointed out earlier"If God made man in his image, why good doesn't stop him to do evil ?''
If good thing like god does evil things, then he is not good anymore, he is evil.We are not evil things. But freedom, as explained, is much much much more valueable than having only the choice of doing good.
By mercy I have one more argument
If he was merciful, why everyone in this world has pain, sorrow and fear. Someone has fear of death, someone has sorrow of losing her wife and someone has pain from his disease. Why not God sends his mercy to everyone of them ? What he is doing ? After-all they are his children. Aren't they ? Where is he sitting after creation of the world ?God's mercy is about letting you be with Him. He gives himself. And he does that in all the pain, sorrow and fear. This is when we are closest to him. When we carry our cross.
I could not understand why he doesn't send his mercy when we are living. ( it is irrational to errone)
He does all the time. Sinners go to confession, and then they get to be with God again. In death is just the last moment.
Are you kidding me ?
It is a fact not only scientific consensus
Energy always conserved even though our universe is expanding
Meanwhile energy just changes its form, it doesn’t create more energy
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/energy-can-neither-be-created-nor-destroyed/As you can read in the quora answer, the second law of thermodynamics was recently challenged multiple times.
And the first law cannot be proven. It's kinda like God except that you call it a fact :joy:. Don't call it a fact. Get a real education.
Whatever source you gave me I checked
But first law of thermodynamics is proved. Before saying someone about real education how about you ? Did you really get that education ?
Have you ever checked what were the fallacies of your own 'information is primary concept' ?https://www.space.com/29477-did-information-create-the-cosmos.htmlNow read this-https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-proof-of-first-law-of-thermodynamics
This message was created by a human in 1998 and he updated it on 9-1-2019 http://i.imgur.com/icBHrKz.png.
But your link says message was written in 1991
What a manipulator lmao !This is just the online version of the message, duh. The original message was handwritten in 1991. I have a printed version of it – translated to german – that was printed in 1995. Of course I cannot send you a link to that. I could only send you a photo.
How about you don't accuse me of anything without fact checking first? I bet even in india you could get your hands on a version that was printed before 2001 if you tried hard enough...
Also, we have already discussed such personal experiences are not reliable. They can be their illusion or manipulation because I studied myself in a catholic school (St.Anslem’s) where christian prayers we practiced everyday after our assembly but he never spoke to any of us. (It was not a hindu god, it was abrahmic god aka jesus)
@pe7erpark3r said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
@Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
Also, we have already discussed such personal experiences are not reliable. They can be their illusion or manipulation because I studied myself in a catholic school (St.Anslem’s) where christian prayers we practiced everyday after our assembly but he never spoke to any of us. (It was not a hindu god, it was abrahmic god aka jesus)
Yes, they are not reliable. In fact there are many people who definitely hear nonsense in their heads. But that does not exclude the possiblity of God actually speaking to some. Especially if He then goes ahead and predicts things that actually happen. Go and check that private revelation I sent you the link if you don't believe me. Get an old copy and read whats written in there. I did exactly the same thing, when I heard about this for the first time... (wasn't too hard for me though, since my mom had this old copy since forever)
Also you cannot be sure that God did not answer your classmates. You know that people don't like being talked to by God? Its because you'll be made fun of for it, and turned into a laughing stock (or worse :unamused:). I bet they wouldn't have told you... :yum:
When I will get that printed version I would discuss it
They do not want to tell or not only they know
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@Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
The first pdf had a 404 error but I still checked from somewhere else
You came up with no argument for your facts/information theory which I pointed out earlierIt's just a speculation of some scientists as of yet. Not a theory.
Whatever source you gave me I checked
But first law of thermodynamics is proved. Before saying someone about real education how about you ? Did you really get that education ?
Have you ever checked what were the fallacies of your own 'information is primary concept' ?https://www.space.com/29477-did-information-create-the-cosmos.htmlI repeat: It's just a speculation of some scientists as of yet. Not a theory. Other scientists argue against it. This is the normal scientific process...
Now read this-https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-proof-of-first-law-of-thermodynamics
None of the answers are any proof. They simply state the law, the mathematic formulars and the fact that it wasn't disproven in any way. Go to university and ask a real scientist for a proof of the first law of thermodynamics (especially if the whole universe is the "system") if you don't believe me. Ask him specifically if it can be proven beyond doubt.
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@Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
When I will get that printed version I would discuss it
Okay! Looking forward to it. :blush:
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@pe7erpark3r said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
@Electrifying-Guy said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
When I will get that printed version I would discuss it
Okay! Looking forward to it. :blush:
I couldn't find that message's old copy because Christians barely reside here.
For one second, I assumed it was her original revelation in 1991. She may have multiple personality disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder or may be she was also a cunning personality. Moreover I can say he copied those astrologers, change some words and labelled Jesus. (Just like you tried to trace uncaused cause and labelled it with God. But radioactive decay of uranium atom has no cause ) September 2001 attacks were predicted by Nostradamus (an astrologer) in 1555.The sky will burn at forty-five degrees latitude,
Fire approaches the great new city
Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up
When they want to have verification from the Normans.Baba Vanga predicted tsunami, 9/11 and end of universe. In future, don't get easily misguided by anyone.
She predicted 9/11 attacks in 1989 on USA (two years ago of that cunning girl's astrology)Yes of-course God was unable to save his people from his own fake astrology because he never made one. If he really made one, why he would not save his children ?
He shouldn't have used people for his argument there, since theists claim that people have free choice, and that therefore evil cannot be blamed on God.
But God is said to be all-powerful. He cannot stop evilness of anyone, that means he is not all-powerful. Even though, a human is more powerful than him. You proved my point again.
God's mercy is about letting you be with Him. He gives himself. And he does that in all the pain, sorrow and fear. This is when we are closest to him. When we carry our cross.
When you were talking about mercy I could bring up some data.
36.9 million people are suffering from HIV/AIDS.
300 million people are suffering from depression.
163.5 per 1,00,000 men and women are dying from cancer.
One in four Americans develop insomnia each year.
Where is his mercy ? Why doesn't he give his mercy to them ? Were you trying to say all those people rejected God ? Those all are not evil.Recently tropical storm Barry started lashing Louisiana. 90 percent people follow christian religion, 2 percent people follow other religions there. Why authorities rushed to close floodgates and raise the barriers around the New Orleans metropolitan area of 1.3 million people for fear of disastrous flooding ? Why couldn’t people trust on their God ? People who were living low-lying areas along the Gulf-coast were told to leave and finally they left. Why they left those areas ? Why didn’t God save them ? Prayers went in vain. Eh ?
He is unable to stop even a human-caused natural disaster flood. He is an impotentI wished you could show me some valid scientific experimental evidences like this for god's existence. Even though their difficulty level is high but afterall a single difficult valid experiment can make someone a theist.
Don't call imagination is a fact or atheism is a belief like an illiterate fuck.
Belief is an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without evidence.
You believe that god is true without any evidence. You have just an evidence 'your faulty bible' that's first edition does not exist anymore and Moses doesn't even know how and when God made Adam and Eve. Moreover, you had only a 'first cause' argument which can be easily denied by quantum physics.
We have a great amount of evidences which are demonstratively valid. We have evidences that this universe is made from dark matter(26.8%), atoms(4.9%) and dark energy(4.9%). A real scientist cannot prove bigbang because it is impossible for him to bring those conditions in lab. Asking for prove bigbang in lab is senseless. But he holds none evidence against it either. We have 98% evidences and 2 percent are remaining only. I don’t need all that superstitious nonsense. I look over the evidence—and see no reason to conclude a god exists. No magic, no superstition, no faith required. I'm an empiricist and those evidences are more than enough for me.
You tried to prove that atheists killed more people than theists. By the way Communism was not started for the name of atheism. Nazism wanted to transform the subjective consciousness of the German people—their attitudes, values and mentalities—into a single-minded, obedient "national community". The Nazis believed they would therefore have to replace class, religious and regional allegiances. Stalin was brought up in an Orthodox Seminar as a Christian; and he became a new kind of Tsar,—with absolute power.
Thirty percent of the wars started for religious reasons. And rest 70% were not started in the name of atheism, but rather border disputes, land conquering, revenge, or for resources.Around 800 AD, Charlemagne, Emperor of the “Holy Roman Empire” slaughtered 4500 Saxons, specifically on religious grounds,—because they would not renounce their harmless ancestral gods. Nothing directly to do with politics, but only of having a rival religion.
99.9% of the inmates were religious in USA
I cannot answer this question for I do not know Spinoza well enough. But he clearly was wrong about claiming that scientific research could lead you to God :shrug:
His God was nature and the scientific research really leaded him to God. It was his personal God thou.
This one is true. But it does not disprove God.
Every effect has its precedent cause. We can name anything the first cause to prevent the infinite chain further. Even I can write down my name instead. How doesn't it disprove the God ? Can you say I'm God with first cause argument ? Do you hold any evidences to put God in first cause ? After-all we have matter in our body, isn't it enough for showing first animal (not human) was effect of it ? I take the name of Animal because there was no first human.
However it requires you again to reason about God's reasoning, which – in case He exists – is not something that we could possibly do and arrive at the truth...
Then what is the reason of this debate ? When your human reasoning is not enough to conclude what God is, how you can call yourself a theist. It clearly disproves theistic God mr. parker, if it does not, then prove him. Theistic God does not live in space-time, he is bodiless and works on 'something from nothing'.
It is also true, that since there is no disproof of God, and quite a bit of evidence of things He does (however inconclusive), it is also rational to assume that God is.
None is rational evidence of him except of fear and terror. I bet you became christian after reading some genesis of punishment. He does things because people have some physiological disorders. Christians buy anything on the name of religion. Want me to show a video ? I will show you jealousy of your God
So I would say it is fair to call atheism a belief, just as it is fair to call not believing in God rational.
Ahem ahem. Then show me a single demonstrable evidence of him. We have evidences, you have nothing. Scientists have discovered that the matter which planets, people, galaxies, plants, animals have, is 13 billion years old. This is a fact, dude ! Particles appear, reappear, disappear in empty space too. Duh, the whole process can be measured with lamb shift and casimir effect. God is not measurable !
"All kinds of" is an idiom. It does not have to mean "all", it usually means "many". This was just a side note of little importance, please forget about it.
I gave you an example of probability and see you are agree with me. The first definition was actually based on probability.
In fact christianity is the only religion that grows through conversion in our time and age. There are 10.000 babtisms every day in china alone.
Argumentum ad populam- my religion is the best because we are gaining followers fast
Christian is a non-logical religion. I can point out 100 contradictions and whole book is full of errors and omissions. Read some books of early Jainism and early Buddhism. You will find some logical things in them.This is not true. People always believed things. Religion is as old as humans. People have wondered what happens after death forever. People exploiting this deep need inside people's heart came after the fact.
People believed in moon and sun too. They were living objects for ignorant like you.
People used to think the Earth was the center of the universe and that the entire cosmos revolved around it. We now realize, however, that this was just something dreamed up by ignorant people who knew very little about the universe and our place in it. Well, at least most of us realize this today.
People used to think that diseases were caused by “bad air” and that mental illness was the result of demonic possession. We now realize, however, that this was just something dreamed up by ignorant people who knew very little about the universe and our place in it. Well, at least most of us realize this today. And yet, some people cling to the concept of “gods” despite the obvious fact that it was also the product of ignorant superstition dreamed up by people living thousands of years ago who knew very little about the universe and our place in it. It gives them comfort, it gives them hope, they are indoctrinated to believe in it from birth, and the very concept of “God” has been redefined along the way to supposedly make it impossible to ever prove that God doesn’t exist.Last but not least, I don't know when you reply it. Can you prove in lab how you were born ? It is impossible for bring those conditions in lab when you were born. I don't hold none evidence against your existence either. Same logic goes for bigbang because it is impossible for bring those galaxies, planets and other conditions back in lab. Bigbang is unable to prove that our universe is multiverse, finite and infinite so you cannot definitely say first law is only applicable to this universe. We can assume matter was primary cause because all those planets, galaxies, humans, plants, animals are consisted of matter. We have seen God was not fitting in secondary cause (he must have a body to work on that and he could not form final cause 'world' in parts just like a potter forms a pot into 6 parts) and we have 13 billion years old matter. How matter could come into us if matter was not primary cause ?
By the way you think this law is limited to only our universe and your god is transcendent cause, then why would he waste so much matter to create empty space ? Even if multiverse exist and he breaks natural laws, he cannot be secondary cause again. Did you know maker of chaotic inflation clearly said, "multiverse is impossible in past but is possible in future" ?
If he was first cause, then this whole first-cause argument is suffering from existential fallacy.
P1-God creates humans (your imagined assumption)
P2- Humans create cars ( A fact)
C-God creates cars (denied by fact humans made cars)
Your conclusion with first cause- God creates everything (existential fallacy)If we again put him in first cause, we need to give him some properties like omnipotence, omniscience, goodness. After-all we want to end the chain with a terminator and to prevent infinite regress. Just because we want one term to terminate the chain and we can label it with any name. God is omniscient, he must already know how he is going to intervene to change the course of history using his omnipotence. But that means he can't change his mind about his intervention, which means he is not omnipotent. Therefore, there is no reason to put him in first cause. Those properties are conflicting each-other in every sense.
Bigbang was a process in which everything started from a photon without violating any law. We need two things to create this universe- 1. matter, 2. space. Matter is a stuff that has a mass. With equation of E=MC^2 mass can be thought of as a kind of energy, and vice versa. At the moment of the Big Bang, an entire universe came into existence, and with it space. It all inflated, just like a balloon being blown up. Questions can be raised up like where that space and energy came from ? How can something appear out of nothing ? This is the mystery which Bigbang could not answer. For revealing this mystery, natural laws demand here - “negative energy”. E.G. Imagine a man wants to build a hill on a flat piece of land. The hill will represent the universe. To make this hill he digs a hole in the ground and uses that soil to dig his hill. But of course he’s not just making a hill—he’s also making a hole, in effect a negative version of the hill. The stuff that was in the hole has now become the hill, so it all perfectly balances out. This is the principle behind what happened at the beginning of the universe. When bigbang produced a vast amount of (+)ve energy, it produced (-)ve energy simultaneously. The (+)ve and the (-)ve sum up to 0, this is again a natural law. For ensuring everything, adds up to o, we can glimpse at our space. Space is vast amount of (-)ve energy. Today, negative energy is there. Everything sums up to 0, so we do not require a creator or God here. That total energy of 0 does not violate first law. It is a fact again. This universe is ultimate free launch. People like you ask who caused photon ? I answer them nobody. Cause-effect relationship states an event precedes other event. Then first event is the cause of second event. Time did not exist before bigbang. It is impossible when cause can exist without time. God cannot be cause of this universe. Just because time did not exist, there is no time for God to make the universe in. Also, natural laws are natural laws, they imply for everyone. If God violated those laws, they would not be called laws.
BS atheism does not have a holy book. Nor does it has a doctrine. Don't call it faith. Athe is not a guy like christ. We don't have any institute or church 😂.
The point is the regularities. Everything happens for a reason. Evolution happens because certain traits favor survival. There is a reason to why everything works the way it does. There is a reason for why gravity is as strong as it is (scientists traced this back to the conditions in the big bang). There is a reason for why there is gravity. There is a reason for everything in nature.
There is no reason of quantum particles. They are something from nothing.
Order should not be referred to the regularity in nature. This is demonstrably false.
To say that the same thing acting on the same thing under the same conditions may yet produce a different effect, is to say that a thing need not be what it is. But this is in flat conflict with the Law of Identity. A thing, to be at all, must be something and can only be what it is. To assert a causal connection between 'a' and V implies a acts as it does because it is what it is; because in fact, it is a. So long therefore as it is 'a', it must act thus; and to assert that it may act otherwise on a subsequent occasion is to assert that what it is 'a' is something else than the 'a' which it is declared to be. -
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@pe7erpark3r said in Fact check with Pet: Why atheism is irrational:
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Law of entropy says our universe is expanding faster and faster. Even though energy is finite and our universe is closed it still can spawn more energy space. Positive energy pushes space outward. When space expands, it releases gravitational potential energy which is already stored up. It converts into the intrinsic energy that fills the newly created volume. Expansion of the universe is controlled by law of conserved energy actually.
Our current universe is expanding and reserved energy is filling the space of it (it is a fact not only scientific consensus). However new energy is not creating but changing its form to do so. ......(1)Read the first answer on quora on why I call it a scientific consensus: https://www.quora.com/Have-the-laws-of-thermodynamics-been-proven. I know this is not a scientific paper, but since I'm not a scientist this is the best I could come up with in this short amount of time. Kirill Nenartovich (the guy who wrote it) added a few links where you can read more.
The first pdf had a 404 error but I still checked from somewhere else
You came up with no argument for your facts/information theory which I pointed out earlier"If God made man in his image, why good doesn't stop him to do evil ?''
If good thing like god does evil things, then he is not good anymore, he is evil.We are not evil things. But freedom, as explained, is much much much more valueable than having only the choice of doing good.
By mercy I have one more argument
If he was merciful, why everyone in this world has pain, sorrow and fear. Someone has fear of death, someone has sorrow of losing her wife and someone has pain from his disease. Why not God sends his mercy to everyone of them ? What he is doing ? After-all they are his children. Aren't they ? Where is he sitting after creation of the world ?God's mercy is about letting you be with Him. He gives himself. And he does that in all the pain, sorrow and fear. This is when we are closest to him. When we carry our cross.
I could not understand why he doesn't send his mercy when we are living. ( it is irrational to errone)
He does all the time. Sinners go to confession, and then they get to be with God again. In death is just the last moment.
Are you kidding me ?
It is a fact not only scientific consensus
Energy always conserved even though our universe is expanding
Meanwhile energy just changes its form, it doesn’t create more energy
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/energy-can-neither-be-created-nor-destroyed/As you can read in the quora answer, the second law of thermodynamics was recently challenged multiple times.
And the first law cannot be proven. It's kinda like God except that you call it a fact :joy:. Don't call it a fact. Get a real education.
Whatever source you gave me I checked
But first law of thermodynamics is proved. Before saying someone about real education how about you ? Did you really get that education ?
Have you ever checked what were the fallacies of your own 'information is primary concept' ?https://www.space.com/29477-did-information-create-the-cosmos.htmlNow read this-https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-proof-of-first-law-of-thermodynamics
This message was created by a human in 1998 and he updated it on 9-1-2019 http://i.imgur.com/icBHrKz.png.
But your link says message was written in 1991
What a manipulator lmao !This is just the online version of the message, duh. The original message was handwritten in 1991. I have a printed version of it – translated to german – that was printed in 1995. Of course I cannot send you a link to that. I could only send you a photo.
How about you don't accuse me of anything without fact checking first? I bet even in india you could get your hands on a version that was printed before 2001 if you tried hard enough...
Also, we have already discussed such personal experiences are not reliable. They can be their illusion or manipulation because I studied myself in a catholic school (St.Anslem’s) where christian prayers we practiced everyday after our assembly but he never spoke to any of us. (It was not a hindu god, it was abrahmic god aka jesus)
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Also, we have already discussed such personal experiences are not reliable. They can be their illusion or manipulation because I studied myself in a catholic school (St.Anslem’s) where christian prayers we practiced everyday after our assembly but he never spoke to any of us. (It was not a hindu god, it was abrahmic god aka jesus)
Yes, they are not reliable. In fact there are many people who definitely hear nonsense in their heads. But that does not exclude the possiblity of God actually speaking to some. Especially if He then goes ahead and predicts things that actually happen. Go and check that private revelation I sent you the link if you don't believe me. Get an old copy and read whats written in there. I did exactly the same thing, when I heard about this for the first time... (wasn't too hard for me though, since my mom had this old copy since forever)
Also you cannot be sure that God did not answer your classmates. You know that people don't like being talked to by God? Its because you'll be made fun of for it, and turned into a laughing stock (or worse :unamused:). I bet they wouldn't have told you... :yum:
When I will get that printed version I would discuss it
They do not want to tell or not only they know
They want to conceal anything or not only they know not meScientists these days have been wondering very deeply what the universe is at the bottom level. What are quantum particles really? The only thing we really know about them (apart from their existence) are their mathematical and statistical properties
i can prove how they travel from A to B or A to C. Do you want me to prove it with casimir effect and lamb shift ? Even a 12yo kid knows what quantum particles are. We know they are real but you dont admit it, it is your assertion.
None of the answers are any proof. They simply state the law, the ma thematic formulas and the fact that it wasn't disproved in any way. Go to university and ask a real scientist for a proof of the first law of thermodynamics (especially if the whole universe is the "system") if you don't believe me. Ask him specifically if it can be proven beyond doubt.
Multiverse is just a speculation, not a scientific fact. We have two probabilities before bigbang- finite and infinite/multiverse. Our universe is an isolated system. The (entire) universe is an isolated system. The observable universe is an open system.
There are 3 main types of thermodynamic systems, defined by what the system can exchange with its surroundings:- An open system can exchange both energy and matter.
- A closed system can exchange only energy.
- An isolated system cannot exchange anything.
The entire universe, meaning everything there is, including things we cannot see, is an isolated system because it has no "surroundings"; it's literally everything there is. Obviously, a system cannot exchange energy or matter with "surroundings" that do not exist.
The observable universe, meaning only the part of the universe that we can see, is an open system, because the "boundary" of our observable universe is not actually a physical "boundary" in any possible meaning of the word, and both matter and energy can freely pass through it.
What I mean is that our observable universe has a "boundary" because if something is beyond this "boundary", the light from it has not had time to reach us yet (and may never will). Aliens living on the "boundary" of our observable universe will have their own definition of "observable universe" and it will not be the same as our definition, because there are things in the universe they can see that we can't, and vice versa.
Finally, we should discuss the hypothetical "multiverse". Although there are many speculative theories hypothesizing some kind of multiverse, none of them have been verified experimentally and they are not considered to be scientific fact, just pure speculation.Also check a post i made for you.
https://chatrooms.talkwithstranger.com/post/261248
and then this one-https://chatrooms.talkwithstranger.com/post/258551
Some people adhere to a stupid doctrine. Therefore, they cannot even read science or philosophy 😂
Let me prove first law for you
Since there is no theory available in which time has been created twice, first law never violates. For a theory about the universe to violate first law, the theory must stipulate two distinct points in time (call them T1 and T2 such that the total energy of the universe at T1 and the total energy of the universe at T2 do not match one another. The creationists like you implicitly assume that bigbang theory stipulates a time t <0 before the origin of universe at which there was no energy at all (because the universe didnt exist); the argument then contrasts this with the origin of the universe, after which it presumes that there has been a pos net bal of energy (because the universe exists)
Assuming you consider bigbang is not false, ill solve from both prospective 1. Quantum gravity alone 2. Gen relativity- If we use GR alone, then the origin of the universe is also the origin of spacetime. On this iew there can be no such thing as a time t <0. But if there is no time t <0 when there was no energy, then the presence of any amount of energy at t=0 cant violate first law. According to aquinas, your god is transcendental cause who does not live within space time, he can't create universe in. Cause and effect relationship demands actions with time.
- If we add quantum mech to the pic, then we are faced with lee smolins options covered - a. There is still a first moment in time; b. The universe continues indefinitely into the past; c. Time breaks down slowly in the universe. Scene a, doesnt violate 1st law for the reasons discussed above. Scene b doesn't violate first law as long as the total energy of the universe remains constant at all times; unsurprisingly, models that actually fall under scene b respect the first law. Im still unclear about exactly how scene c is supposed to work, but if there is no succession of time in the early universe, then it would seem that the first law cant apply to early universe either.
- If the universe came from something else (for instance it started as a region of spacetime pinching from a black hole in another spacetime, as proposed by smolin in 1997) then there still would be no conflict with the 1st law, because on such a scenario the universe was not always always a closed system, and would have inherited its initial energy from wherever it came from.
- The universe may have a net energy or zero- even proposals like that of tyron 1973, that have the universe appearing spontaneously in an empty spacetime wouldnt violate first law if the universe has an overall energy of 0. Strange as it may sound for the universe to have 0 total energy, it may be true: the gravitational energy of the universe is a neg quantity, which may bal the rest of energy in the universe, leaving a net bal of 0 energy. This would occur in a so-called 'flat universe'. As physicist lawrence krass explains- "in terms of GR, the curvature our expanding universe is related to the total gravitational energy of the objects being carried along with its expansion. In a flat universe, the total energy is 0. So a flat universe could've arisen from nothing. One can trade off the pos energy of gravity and move from a situation in which there are no particles to one with a lot."
As it turns out, results from WMAP, have confirmed that "the universe is flat with only a 2% margin of error".
Quantum mechanics, string theory, gen relativity and inflation all are theories. Scientific models for pre-bigbang conditions, are based on those above proved theories. Why don't you check out latest evidences of cosmos universe ?
Now simulation speculation is not based on any scientific theory. Dragging a speculation in a debate like it, is fallacy of special pleading. There are 1 lc speculations in science which are not based on any theory. Simulation speculation is filmed in movies 😂. Simulation speculation is just a claim. There is none verifiable evidence of it. Why would any programming team create cancers that only strike toddlers, flesh-eating bacteria, brain-eating amoeba? For fun ?
You cannot demonstrate me of no cause god or no cause simulation. We are humans and we gain knowledge with two sources (in philosophy).- Empirical - i can demonstrate you no-cause particles and no-created energy. I have 100 demonstrations for both. You have 0 no-cause demonstration for simulation or god. Thus I win
- Non-empirical- we can assume with first law in any circumstance, is proved. You cannot win with first cause argument here because time is not within his reach and difference between material cause and efficient cause is too deep. I win again. 😉
Remember, when you abuse someone, he can abuse you twice or thrice (like I did). Next time write anything before thinking twice or I will count them as fallacies like - argumentum ad hominem,
But I will refute your every claim you have made in this topic so that you might not think I avoided you
It makes no sense to try and reason about what he can and can't do, since it is impossible to understand Him.
When it is impossible to understand someone, you cannot say the free will is given bey him or sufferings are there because someone rejected God.
In other words: you have to exempt something from having a cause, whether that is God or nature.
Differentiate among efficient cause, material cause and final cause. I replied to Rihoy and used four causes in above post. In my philosophical model, there is no efficient causes. Therefore an orderer is not required like Aquinas' first cause. Orderer is necessary for order not for chance
Natural laws are not self-caused (gravity does not cause gravity, it causes things to fall down) and thus you cannot have shown that they are self-caused.
Gravity is not an efficient cause, go read some philosophy. Gravity did not create energy, it just expanded the universe.
Demonstrate me authority of supernatural power over natural power right now. The theory of quantum electrodynamics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And it agrees fully with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as she is — absurd.”Thus assuming that God does not exist requires you to be at least a bit irrational about how you think of nature, as I have shown in the topic.
You have shown nothing to me and yet you think of it. It must be noted 'my god did it' is fallacy of 'God of gaps' or 'argument from ignorance'. You repeated either fallacy a dozen of times in this topic.
Even by percentage per year communism has a higher number of victims than any of the big religions (even including islam).
I do not know why you cannot differentiate two terms. 1st term is political and 2nd is religious.
Yes people have pointed to lots of those things. Agreed that is irrational. I however have pointed to something that cannot ever be explained by science, something that has to be irrational (the origin of existence) and as you can see you were not able to convince me. But I think we can stop here. We have both said everything we could have said about the topic.
I am so gleeful I mentioned this argument for you. There is no difference between you and them. In that era they do not know how rain falls onto the ground and science was not providing them explanations. When science does not give you explanations, theism always look for meaning rather than explanation. Theism always adores this gap. Naturalism is opposed to theism, it waits for a new explanation.
And it is not a question of who is more intelligent. Every atheist will agree that this conundrum is indeed irrational, once she understands what I am talking about. It's just like with mathematics: you have to agree that 1+2 = 2. Before you understood it, you might not have agreed, but once you understand it, you have no choice.
twoness in two is its property. Property cannot be reduced to existence. I can find out a number which is greater than two, then 2 cannot be said greatest like God. In other words, numbers analogy to causal relationships of world is flawed.
And I mean what should they do about it? They have two irrational choices, believe in God or an eternal irrational world. Of course they'd chose what their peers chose: atheism..
I chose the position as an agnostic atheist. Debate with a strong atheist next time for why he says God is disprovable. Again, you suck at differentiate among two or more terms. I say God's existence is improbable. I bet you have not met even a single atheist in your whole life, some atheists even believe in satan, dragons or aliens. There are many many choices in which people can believe in. I'm not one of them but providing some data to you, was necessary.
If you think I hadn't convinced you or defeated you yet, you would have asked to me. I know you'll be back.
if you still think his existence is probable, give me a demonstration of your claim 'he does inconclusive things". Give me a demonstration - he can make particles or energy.
@Sij Atheism defines there is no God, it does not say world is true. I do not know when theists will understand what atheism is. But again, nobody can prove God's existence in this whole effing world. I challenge every theist here. It is matter of your faith. Let me disprove theistic God wholly. It is actually a divine fallacy because he didn't think about remain probabilities. If world is true, then god is false. If god is false, then world is true. - flawed
Premise1- It is a fact that every efficient cause creates everything in space-time.
Premise 2- God does not reside in space-time. (this is what Aquinas said)
Conclusion- God creates nothing.In the end, I'd talk about your wish 'multiverse' - Because time started with the Big Bang, any question of what happened before is nonsensical — much like asking what is north of the North Pole. Also, many cosmologists have proposed that our universe could be part of a much larger, super and perhaps eternal meta-universe. In this meta-universe (a.k.a. multiverse) “baby” universes are created by pinching off from “parent” universes — leaving no way to inquire about the characteristics of a parent universe. We certainly don’t know for sure, and may never know. However, this meta-universe would allow infinite chains of events. If God was eternal, perfect and unchanging then why would God need a universe and how could God change from not needing a universe to needing and creating one? This god would have existed for an eternity and then decided to create the universe. Thus, the Creator God that is eternal, perfect and unchanging is impossible.
'We do not know' this is the base of your premises mr.Parker. Everything you want to stabilize on 'we do not know' is argument from ignorance. Mysticism and revelation have no place in logic and if you do not think so, give me a demonstration of anyone's reveal-ism.
There is excellent experimental and theoretical evidence to support Inflation Theory. We may eventually determine that Inflation Theory is wrong or incomplete, and we may never be able to completely understand the actual beginning. It could be that we're not smart enough or that the physical science necessary is not possible for us to do. But, that doesn’t mean that a god caused the Big Bang — any more than our past lack of understanding of weather meant that a god caused lightning.
Btw answers based on speculations are counterfactual fallacy nibba. Therefore I didnt want to even know what happened before bigbang. Whenever I and we you will discuss about it, we will repeat agumentum ad speculatum. And you dragged me to write about multiverse and finite universe, it wasnt my own choice.
Go get a real education
Argumentum ad hominem
Last thing, you cannot demonstrate me God causes gravity law. Can you ? I can demonstrate you law of identity in natural laws such as motion law, gravity law and kepler law etc. The law of identity states that if a statement has been determined to be true, then the statement is true. For example, if I make a statement that 'It is gravitating,' and it is the truth, then the statement must be true. If we look at the law of identity in more general terms, it says that each thing that exists is made up of its own particular characteristics that are a part of what it is. Nature has its characteristics without meddling by an efficient cause, nature does it things itself, that is what i was saying. When you apply this to logic, the law of identity essentially means that everything is itself and it cannot be something else. Gravity cannot be tree and water cannot be pole. Each thing is something specific that has a particular identity. So when I say that it is gravitating, gravitating refers to a particular event. Given that 'gravity' refers to a specific thing such as apple, if I make this statement while it is actually gravitating, then it must be a true statement. In logical discourse, violations of the law of identity result in the informal logical fallacy known as equivocation. And again there was no time before gravity to exist for a cause. No time for efficient cause to create universe in.
The last post which you upvoted, was typed by some stupid person. I study in a commerce university and it is impossible to find a scientist in my own university. Here universities have strict rules, they didnt permit me to enter a gate of a science university (I hope you know rules). Therefore i gave my email account and tws password to their gatekeeper. I did not even know when and who typed that post. I got to know when liliputian upvoted my past. So i deleted it. And i was never agree with that stupid person. I apologise for this inconvenience to you. You too said me to ask a university scientist so it was not my mistake wholly. 🙏.
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So to stop beating around the bush and I guess what everyone is trying to avoid saying here so here you go... Atheists believe that aliens created us and that the gods B. C. We're aliens. Why does no one really talk about this? I was raised an atheist and I am a 43 year old woman and this subject still seems very much about one god... Not anything really about atheism...
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Recent page in Talk With Stranger (TWS) can be a static or dynamic place where all users who are looking for recent thoughts, ideas posts and chat with past people. This page serves as a live feed of activity alerts users to new user actions, conversations and chat invitations. The "Recent" page is the core of community-centrism, providing running participation that allows users to quickly participate in free chat rooms and random charlatan index
This page is just as important for new arrivals as it is for users who have been lounging in TWS meta-mall since December, because it captures the pulse of a community. It does not only pin the last posts but also permits followers to respond at lightning speed, either by replying to someone else or starting a new thread.
In this post, we will address the details of how users are active on the Recent page, what types of content they share mostly and how incorporating free chat rooms or random chats level up their experience. In this series we will explore the keywords chat, free chat, chat rooms, free chatroom and random chats at the heart of each of the dynamics that constitute Talk With Stranger.
The Role of the Recent Page: The Catalyst for Live Commerce
The importance of the Recent page on Talk With Stranger cannot be overstated — it serves as a key place where new and previous content can both be discovered and interacted with. This is one such useful page as it displays all the posts in a chronological way which reflects what is really happening on the platform. Whether it be a follow up to the new conversation you just engaged with or ongoing discussions on the topic, there is always something for users to talk about instantly. There are many posts by strangers who want to chat with strangers and talk to strangers online in private stranger chat.
By simplifying the process of connecting, the "Recent" page aims to promote community involvement. Rather than having to go through many areas of the website to locate ongoing conversations or chat rooms, visitors may visit this page and immediately become involved in the most recent exchanges.
Typical post categories on the "Recent" page consist of:
1. Private notes to get in touch with former conversation partners.
2. Requests to join particular chat rooms for talks or games.
3. Queries on a range of subjects, from technical inquiries to life guidance.
4. Friendly salutations or requests to start casual conversations with new users.
TWS makes sure customers don't miss any action by offering a single, user-friendly page, which makes it easier for them to keep informed about current discussions and community developments.
The Foundation of Interaction on Talk With Strangers: Free Chat Rooms
The free chat rooms on Talk With Stranger, which let users text and converse with individuals all around the world, are the center of the community. Because they give users an adaptable and convenient way to meet new people depending on their common interests or needs for impromptu conversation, these chat rooms are an essential feature.
To accommodate a variety of tastes, free chat rooms are separated into several categories. There is something for everyone on TWS, regardless of whether users like the excitement of random talks or would rather join a themed room focused on technology, music, or lighthearted banter. Some chat rooms' randomness enables members to meet individuals from different backgrounds and step outside of their comfort zones.
Common Categories of Free Chat Rooms
1. General Chat Rooms: These rooms provide an informal setting for discussion on any subject. These rooms are great for casual conversations, whether someone wants to share a strange idea or speak about their day.
2. Themed Chat Rooms: A lot of people want to participate in discussions that are tailored to their interests. Users may interact with others who share their interests in relationships, technology, gaming, movies, and other topics by joining themed chat rooms.
3. Random Chat Rooms: One of the TWS platform's most well-liked features is its random chat rooms function. Users are paired with random people in these rooms to have impromptu talks. Random voice chat rooms provide an element of excitement and unpredictability, whether you're wanting to meet someone new or just want to have a surprise conversation.
Random Conversations: A Special Way to Speak With Strangers
One of Talk With Stranger's key features is its random chat feature, which matches users with random people from all around the world. Users never know who they'll be conversing with next because of this feature, which gives the site a sense of surprise and originality.
The popularity of random conversations has increased for a number of reasons:
1. Spontaneity: Random conversations offer a totally unexpected experience, in contrast to other chat platforms where users may join particular groups based on interests. Users who like making new friends or who just want to kill time by striking up a random discussion will find this appealing.
2. Global Reach: Due to the platform's global user base, casual chats frequently result in discussions with individuals from other nations and cultural backgrounds. Because of its diversity, the user experience is enhanced and learning and cultural exchange are made possible.
3. Anonymity: Because TWS random conversations are primarily anonymous, participants are able to express themselves honestly without worrying about disclosing personal information. Because of their anonymity, users may be more at ease and authentic.
The random chat function improves TWS overall by encouraging special and impromptu relationships that would not occur in more formal conversation environments.
Actual Instances of User Engagement on the Recent Page
There is a wide range of active engagement on the Recent page. Users share a variety of content, such as invites to games or group discussions and personal narratives. The "Recent" page can be used in the following typical ways to facilitate connections:
Seeking Former Chat Partners: A lot of people utilize the "Recent" tab to post in an attempt to get in touch with someone they previously spoke with. This is especially typical in situations when participants are chatting randomly and may not have had time to share contact information before the chat ends. As an example, a user could post:
"Searching for the girl who spoke about Harry Potter the day before." Message me if you see this, please!
2. Inviting Users to Join Group chat conversations in group chat rooms: Some users invite others to themed or group conversations by going to the "Recent" page. These entries may provide an overview of the subject matter and an open invitation to participate for everyone who is interested.
"Hi everyone, today we're playing a game of truth or dare in the "Random Fun" chat room. If you're ready for some fun, please feel free to join!
3. Asking queries or advice: Users frequently post queries on TWS in an effort to get advice from other members of the community, which is highly helpful. These might be more serious questions about life, personal recommendations, or suggestions for movies or literature.
"Hey, I need some guidance on how to deal with a challenging circumstance at work. I'd be delighted to hear your opinions!
4. Sharing Personal tales: Users can also share tales or personal experiences with the community on the site. These posts frequently start conversations and bring people together via similar experiences.
"So, last night I had this strange dream. Just curious if anyone else has had something like it." Let's talk about weird dreams!
The community is kept alive and active by the diversity of involvement, which guarantees that there is always something fresh going on the "Recent" tab.
The Influence of Inclusive and Anonymity in Free Chat Rooms
Talk With Stranger's dedication to anonymity is one of its best features. Because sharing personal information is not mandatory, users are able to converse openly and without fear of repercussion. Those who might be reluctant or bashful to express their opinions in more conventional social settings will find this option very intriguing.
Additionally, anonymity creates a level playing field by removing prejudices and preconceptions from interactions between people from different backgrounds. It promotes candid and open discussion since users may voice their opinions without worrying about the consequences.
The website is also quite inclusive, providing free chat rooms that accommodate a wide variety of hobbies and backgrounds. You'll discover a room that works for you whether you want to play games, have in-depth philosophical discussions, or just chat about music.
How to Use the "Recent" Page and Navigate It
New users may easily navigate the "Recent" page.When you log in to the site, the website transforms into a live feed featuring the most recent posts. Here's a little tutorial to help you make the most of it:
1. Look for interesting topics. To see the most recent posts, navigate to the "Recent" page, which is often updated.
2. Post Your Own Message: All it takes to initiate a discussion or pose a query is to make a post. This area can be used for asking for guidance, inviting others to join a discussion, or sharing a thought with the group.
3. React to Others: One of the simplest ways to participate in the community is to reply to other users' postings. Reacting to postings, whether by giving counsel or just jumping into a conversation, promotes deep ties.
4. Invite People to Chat Rooms: You are welcome to publish an invitation on the "Recent" tab if you would want to start a chat room or if you have a particular one in mind. This is a fantastic method to get like-minded people together for games or conversations in groups.
The Significance of Community Engagement and Feedback
Initiating discussions is only one aspect of engagement on the "Recent" tab; community members' feedback and interactions are equally crucial. Feedback can come in a variety of forms, such as answers to queries, supportive comments during conversations, or even helpful critique.
Promoting Positive Criticism
1. Establishing a Safe Space for Sharing: It's critical to have an environment that is encouraging when people offer feedback. Constructive criticism promotes users' confidence in voicing their thoughts, which might result in more in-depth conversations.
2. Encourage Active Listening: Active listening is necessary for participating in discussions on the "Recent" page. Before replying, users should carefully read the posts made by others. This exercise aids in creating pertinent responses that significantly advance the current conversations.
3. Acknowledging Contributions: It's critical for other community members to recognize the insightful viewpoints and helpful counsel that others have shared. To help people feel appreciated, a brief "Thank you" or a more thorough answer might be quite beneficial.
Activities to Foster Community
Community contact is essential for Talk With Stranger to flourish, and the "Recent" page acts as a spark for a variety of community-building events. In addition to maintaining user engagement, these activities help participants form enduring relationships.
Games and Tasks for Groups
By using the postings on the "Recent" tab, a lot of users take the initiative to set up challenges or group activities. These exercises, which encourage cooperation and healthy competition, might be anything from quiz contests to creative writing assignments.
1. Trivia Nights: Users can suggest a trivia night and extend an invitation to others to attend. In order to ensure that everyone may participate, regardless of knowledge level, questions can cover a variety of topics.
2. Creative Writing Challenges: People who love to write in the community often organize writing contests in which participants are required to come up with short tales in response to suggestions. This encourages creativity and gives individuals a platform to demonstrate their writing abilities.
3. Collaborative Projects: people may work together on projects, including starting a blog or community newsletter using content from different people. Everyone feels more invested in the community and more engaged as a result of this team effort.
The Value of Restraint and Safety Procedures
Despite the typically warm and inviting attitude on Talk With Stranger, it's critical to have policies in place that safeguard users and promote a constructive environment. Moderators are employed by the site and are vital in maintaining civil and entertaining interactions for all users.
1. Active Monitoring: Moderators keep an eye out for improper conduct or content on the "Recent" page and in other chat rooms. Their presence guarantees that users feel secure interacting with others and helps discourage bad interactions.
2. Giving users more power: Users are urged to help keep the group honest by sharing any questionable behavior. We can make sure that everyone is responsible for making the workplace nice if we all work together.
4. Educational Initiatives: Another area of the community's concentration is instructing individuals on safe online behavior. A safer environment is achieved by consistently reminding people of the value of preserving personal information and having polite conversations.
Establishing Consistency in Building Trust
Any community needs trust, and developing that trust requires patience and steady work. Users may cultivate trust through their interactions and communication dependability on the "Recent" page.
1. Consistency in Engagement: Engaging in conversations on a regular basis contributes to building a presence in the community. Those who often offer insightful commentary and assistance are likely to establish lasting bonds with one another.
2. Keep Your Words: Users must keep their word when they agree to join a group chat or take part in an activity. Reliability in keeping promises sustains credibility and entices people to interact with you.
3. Transparency in aims: Establishing rapport during discussions can be facilitated by being forthright about one's aims. Clear communication creates a trustworthy atmosphere, whether one is looking for companionship, guidance, or just a good conversation.
Individual Development via Community Involvement
Talk With Stranger conversations offer chances for self development in addition to social connection. Through networking with a variety of people, users may broaden their views and improve their social skills.
1. Improved Communication Skills: Having talks on a daily basis helps users improve their communication skills, making it easier for them to express their thoughts and actively listen to others.
2. Broadened views: Engaging with others from different backgrounds exposes people to a range of countries, ways of life, and views. Having this exposure may increase one's understanding and empathy.
3. Enhanced Confidence: Taking part in discussions, particularly random ones, may give people a boost in confidence. Users could grow more at ease expressing themselves in real and online contexts over time.
The Future of Virtual Communication: Chat Community Trends
The community's ideals and interests are reflected in the content that people have contributed on the "Recent" page. This user-generated content, which ranges from artistic creations to personal narratives, acts as a mirror to the users' varied viewpoints and experiences.
By identifying what appeals to users most, analyzing this content may provide light on the community's collective identity, promote a feeling of community, and inspire others to share their perspectives.
Future developments in technology and user behavior will probably have an impact on Talk With Stranger and other similar services as online communication continues to change. Users' interactions with one another might be influenced by innovations including more individualized chat experiences, AI-driven moderation, and improved privacy options.
Communities will also need to change in response to the increasing desire for inclusiveness and diversity in order to continue being welcome places for people looking to connect and have a discussion.
Concluding Remarks on Engagement Techniques
Here are some last ideas to keep in mind while customers explore the ever-changing "Recent" page to improve their experience:
1. Remain Curious: Enter into discussions with an open mind. Deeper relationships might result from posing questions and demonstrating an interest in the experiences of others.
2. Be Respectful: Regardless of the outcome of a discussion, always show others respect. It is possible to avoid misunderstandings and create a pleasant environment by acting with respect.
3. Promote Inclusive: Try to interact with users who could come out as more reserved or uninvolved. Encouraging everyone to participate contributes to the development of a well-rounded community.
Users may enhance their own and others' experiences on Talk With Stranger by adhering to these rules and helping to create a vibrant and encouraging community.
Summary
Talk With Stranger's "Recent" tab is a hive of activity where people publish updates, participate in free chat rooms, and exchange content with one another. People come together to engage in real-time interaction in this melting pot of concepts, feelings, and relationships. The page's lively interaction demonstrates the platform's function as a global discussion center, making it a fun location to make new friends and get in touch with existing ones.
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQS)
Q1: What does the Talk With Strangers "Recent" page entail?
Answer: Users may share their most recent updates, re-connect with others, and have discussions in free chat rooms and sporadic chat sessions on the "Recent" part of the website.
Q2: How do TWS free chat rooms operate?
Answer: Users may join or establish free chat rooms to converse on a variety of topics without having to pay anything. Everyone is welcome to use these rooms, which encourage impromptu conversations.
Q3. Is it possible to locate particular people on the "Recent" page?
Answer: A lot of people do post on the "Recent" tab in an attempt to get in touch with someone they spoke with before. Users can use this function to look up friends or conversation partners from past sessions.
Q4: Is there no cost to utilize Talk With Stranger?
Answer: Users do not need to pay to access random conversations, free chat rooms, and other services on the site.
Q5: What kinds of subjects are covered on TWS?
Answer: A broad variety of subjects are discussed by users, such as dating, movies, technology, life guidance, and more.
Conclusion
The "Recent" tab on the Talk With Stranger platform embodies the spirit of contemporary internet conversation. TWS creates an atmosphere where community members feel linked even when they are geographically separated by providing a place where users may participate in random conversations, have free chat sessions, and post updates. The platform provides a dynamic and varied area to satisfy your social requirements, whether you're looking for a brief chat or a deeper conversation.
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Engaging Popular Topics and Daily Topics in Online Chatrooms
Online chatrooms have given rise to an animated platform, the beauty of which is that people can freely express their views on an infinite number of topics. This makes the chatrooms more appealing than ever. There are many aspects of the popular topics in the chat where people come to share their thoughts, ask questions, or even just talk, whether it is about daily life, fun, issues relating to people, or even news. No matter how quickly the world changes, and how fast paced the world of the internet becomes. These chatrooms make it possible for that ever-new wave of active discussions to take place, ensuring that there are new daily topics on which people will talk. Free chat with other strangers and make new friends online on Talk With Stranger by talking to strangers.
Specifically, in this article, we will look at the most common popular topics and the typical daily topics that sustain chatrooms and their relevance to users worldwide. This guide is designed to walk you through the focus areas that attract the greatest interest and where exactly in today’s reality, they have chatrooms turned into a melting pot of relations based on the commonality of interests. Chat online today on TWS (TalkWithStranger) free chat sites.
The Appeal of Popular Topics Available in Chatrooms
Interesting features include the extensive range of interesting topics available, which appeal to many people, in the chat rooms. Users on such platforms log in to participate in various topics. It includes news, entertainment, and personal life issues where one seeks advice. The interesting thing about these services is that they are very flexible. One can look for a particular chat room for a particular interest or just join general conversations on everydayevery day topics that are suitable to most members.
What Brings People’s Attention to Popular Topics?
Many factors make certain topics interesting in chat rooms:
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Users’ temptations: There is a tendency among users to love taking part in topics that appeal to them the most. This could go like my favorite sport, my best friend, my way of life, etc.
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Topics that grab people’s attention: Such topics would be politics, maternal care, and discussions of trends that are of the moment, the amount of response generated is always impressive.
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Communication: It is often the case that many people from different walks of life have something in common in terms of subjects of interest. Chat rooms provide the perfect medium for enhancing the attainment of the objective given the chances of being supportive.
Popular Topics: Chat Room Examples
Some topics tend to be focused on in chat rooms every time. The topics include:
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Entertainment: Most of the time, some topics revolve around movies, television shows, music, or video games. It could be an advertisement for the most recent movie or a review of the music tabs. One thing that is guaranteed is that entertainment is always booming.
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Personal Relationships: Most of the time chat rooms are used to air relationship challenges, seek assistance, or even share very amusing dating experiences.
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Health and Wellness: Most people seek participation in chat rooms from textbooks or fitness programs for sporting or health advice. Members will often share information concerning the different aspects of healthy living.
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Hobbies and Interests: Chat rooms are great for passionate individuals to unite and talk about photography, trips, or gaming.
The Dynamic Nature of Daily Topics
While popular topics help users join conversations, it is the daily topics that engage users in chat rooms that are activerooms active and interesting all the time. These conversations tend to be more relaxed and light-hearted. They enable users to log in every day and have something to say without feeling overwhelmed by the need to give a detailed response. These daily topics are also particularly useful in helping people form social bonds over ordinary daily enterprises.
How Daily Topics Maintain Interest in Chatrooms
Daily topics are introduced in every chat room to enhance user interaction in each room. These topics revolve around something going on in the current and global environment. Users can share how their day is going, offeringgoing offering their thoughts about any holiday or other memorable day. This strategy I believe aids in making the members active and hence making them wish to come back to the room more often.
Common Types of Daily Topics on Free Chat sites
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Daily Check-Ins: It’s common in most chat rooms to find a thread titled “How’s your day” where individuals post what has been happening to them.
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Current Events: A hot talk is a topic that arises from breaking news the most popular politics of the day or a hot global issue.
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Personal Milestones: Users like to express their achievements, presenting such events as a successful promotion, a new relationship, or losing extra weight.
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Lighthearted Fun: Coveted daily trivia and other everyday topics encourage users to take their time and look for lighthearted and funny themes.
The Change in Trends in Chats and Subjects in Chatrooms
With the advancement in technology, so do the topics in the chat room. Most people talk about the same things over the internet, like entertainment, relationships, health and so other aspects that are popular with the majority. The chat rooms of today are such that members are as likely to engage in understanding tech advancements and sharing thoughts on cryptocurrency and responsible living as much as they do about fetishes and lifestyle fads.
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Trending Popular Topics in Modern Chatrooms
There has been the development of popular topics in chat rooms, especially with the emergence of social media and the quick spread of information. Some of these niches that are becoming increasingly popular in chat rooms include:
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Tech and Gadgets: Since the technology era is ever getting advanced, some users just can never stay in a room without chatting about the most recent devices and applications thatapplications, that are revolutionizing the world today.
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Sustainability: Now more than ever, many people are conscious of environmental concerns and chat rooms are also more about modern living, climate, and sustainability as well.
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Cryptocurrency and Blockchain: Many are still catching up with the crypto world and as the market for cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin and Ethereum continues to grow. Many chat rooms center around the same helping users provide areas where they can talk about the latest in crypto, and even help investors time the market.
Integrating New Trends
It is one of the outstanding virtues of the chatrooms to incorporate new trends that come up. As new interests develop, chatrooms tend to adopt these changes by adding fresh popular topics that occupy users and keep the subject of the platforms. These trends in popular culture allow abandoning the claim that chat rooms in the modern world no longer have any reason to exist.
Inclusion of Popular Topics and Daily Topics in Building Community
Every active chatroom seems to be vigorous mostly due to the sense of community residing in it. Users do not simply engage in conversations; they relate with persons who have common interests with them. Popular topics become the points where users can strive to begin making conversations while daily topics aim to make the chat rooms more engaging and colorful.
Importance Of Popular Topics In Relating Users
Beginning from the fact that users in a chat room engage in certain popular topics quite frequently, certain bonds start forming. This can either be as a result of a common favorite show or advice given on personal stuff, these talks create an aspect of closeness and attachment among the members.
How Moderators Influence the Nature of Popular Topics
Moderators help scrutinize and enhance what is being talked about in the chat rooms. They keep the closure with users by topping and pinning some hot topics to avoid unnecessary diversion from the subject of discussion.
The Influence of Trending Topics on the Traffic of Chat Rooms
The variation of popular topics is one of the features that is responsible for the constant return by users to the chat rooms. Some topics, once they become popular, are known to draw an even bigger audience and hence create a lot of movement into the platform. This is particularly true of chatrooms which are mostly focused on current discussions concerning trends that are fascinating enough to pitch a large number of people to walk in and join in the talk that is actively going on.
User-Generated Content and Its Effects on the Popular Daily Topics
The nature of all the user-generated content is also one of the things that appeals more to popular topics. The main weakness which traditional media hosts is that it is very rare and poorly structured by active participants which are the members and audiences of free chat rooms. This therefore explains why popular topics are referred to as fluid and flexible to the will and wishes of people.
Some of the most common user-generated popular topics that have been known to attract traffic include:
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Live Event Discussions: Large events containing competitions like sports, award ceremonies, and others, are all great topics because they usually attract large numbers of users to chat rooms to discuss these events as they are happening.
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Viral Challenges and Trends: It could be an internet challenge, a viral meme, videos, or animations; chatrooms are channels that enable users to engage and talk about such trends.
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Advice Columns: It is no news that threads and discussions seeking to offer or request advice on matters of relationships, career choices, and even health are some of the most actively participated areas in chatrooms from their popular circles.
How Chatrooms Evolve Around Daily Topics
As time goes by, chatrooms change in their structure and contents. This is because the trends and preferences of the users also change over time. Daily topics are essential as they keep chatrooms functional as a channel of instant communication. These days, most of the chatrooms are adding up new technologies and features to meet the increasing expectation of instant communication.
The Rise of Real-Time Interactions
With social media being the key to communication, chatrooms also adopted a real-time interaction facility that allows users to participate in a conversation that has already commenced. Daily topics such as current affairs, news, or what is trending at that time can be used for such calls for discussions. This is the essence of immediacy and it is arguably why people would want to participate and interact with other people.
Mobile Chatrooms and Their Social Aspects
Mobile devices dominate the internet today and chatrooms have adapted their systems to this trend. The change has had a notable effect on the way people consume the questions of the day and interact with them. It is now possible for users to get into chatrooms from any location which ensures that conversations about questions of the day remain ongoing and current in real time.
Some of the factors that have contributed to the emergence of mobile chatrooms include:
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Push Notifications: Additionally, notifications will notify users about a daily topic of interest that has been posted and will enhance user engagement.
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Instant Messaging Features: For instance due to social mobile app chatrooms incorporating messaging features instant messaging features make convenient discussions around daily topics easier.
Popular Topics and Niche Communities
While most chatrooms deal with broad-based popular topics that capture thousands and thousands of users’ interest, the same cannot be said of niche communities which constitute an integral part of the chatroom ecosystem. Usually, people cluster in small groups with specific topics or interests that are more specific than just the broad original topic. It could be a fan club dedicated to this or that serial or the IT trends. These focus communities allow their users to address such a trend in more detail rather than attract a wider audience.
Why Niche Popular Topics Are So Trending Today
Niche popular topics are on the rise owing to how different chatrooms can cater to the individual user’s needs. As users are looking for more focused content, such specific forums enable discussions that are not just skin-deep. This approach effectively sustains user interest by allowing them to interact with those who share their interests and have different spheres of passion.
Some other examples of niche popular topics are:
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Science and Fantasy Fiction: Chatrooms that are dedicated to everything from the latest picture books and motion pictures to fan artfanart creation.
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DIY And Crafting: These boards help people exchange tips, tutorials, and projects and form a constructive activity-oriented community.
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Fitness And Wellness: In recent years niche forums focused on fitness training, meal plans, and mental health discussions have become quite popular as well.
The Future of Popular Topics and Daily Topics
Popular topics as well as daily topics will always be at the center of interaction by the users. The competition for live and engaging content has been fuelled as many more lounges introduce real-time elements. This transformation brought to light the relevance of chatrooms in bridging the gap between physically distant people while engaging and maintaining the chat as to the current needs of internet users.
An Overview of How AI and Automation Boost Popular Topics
With the growth of AI technology, it has become common to see chatrooms coming up with more automated features to contain conversations that revolve around trending topics. For instance, with the use of AI, most chatrooms can now predict the topics that will be relevant at a certain time and recommend which threads to place or which subjects to discuss. Not only does this improve the experience of the users, but also it keeps the discussions being talked about new and more active than at any other time in history.
Some AI-driven strategies that help maintain popular topics include:
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Intelligent Topic Recommendations: When users feel at ease sharing topics with others, they call upon popularity prediction strategies, which are employed by AI algorithms seeking user trends and behavior toward potential arguments within the community.
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Moderation: As more users join the chatrooms, particularly due to topics of the day or interest, there is a need to create and maintain a positive ambiance in the chatroom. Chat moderation tools based on AI will keep out inappropriate content during the day to ensure that topics remain respectful.
Gamification and User Rewards for Engaging in Daily Topics
Chatrooms are looking for ways to attract users’ attention towards the daily topics, thus, trying to include gamification features in topics. These features include but are not limited to, awarding users with points, badges, and leaderboards to individuals who contribute some reasonable discussions daily to increase and retain users. This makes chatting fun and encourages participation in all activities of the chat community.
Key gamification elements observed in contemporary chatrooms include:
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Star Contribution Leaderboards: Top contributors of the day for these topics are displayed.
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Badges: Users are rewarded with virtual badges for inverting or contributing in to hot debatable subjects.
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Exclusive Education: The best users are allowed to participate in special sections of the website’s top level based on their activity.
Predicting the Next Upsurge of Popular Topics
Both the chatroom administrators as well as the users constantly seek future prevailing subjects. If it is a burning social issue, new technology, or entertainment, being able to do so is precisely what may bolster the attractiveness of chatrooms to their users. Persistent growth in the volume and activity of these audiences will be experienced by those resources that promptly create therapeutic forums for trending topics.
Most Popular Chatroom Topics That Will Certainly Emerge In the Future:
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Sustainable Living and Eco-Friendly Practices: With the increasing global awareness of climate change, there will be a shift in the direction that chat room discussions will focus on sustainable living. They will focus mainly on sharing ideas, and materials, and talking about ways of living sustainably.
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Blockchain and Cryptocurrency: The technology of blockchain and the whole trend of cryptocurrency is still likely to be an ever-enticing subject among fellow forum members.
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Mental Health and Well-Being: As the world continues to focus on mental health issues, there will be more and more discussion forums on the sources of the problems self-care, and support which will be a very popular subject
Conclusion
The reason many chat rooms are still being used is because there are always interesting issues and current topics. It is through these conversations that users can interact with each other and share their experiences and people even establish relationships. Busy discussing current trends in newscasts, participating in comparative analysis of the newest dramas, or just posting their most important events, chat rooms have finally emerged as a hub for almost everyone who goes online. Talk to strangers in free chat rooms online without registration and meet new people and make new friends in anonymous text chat rooms as well as voice chat with random people and video chatrooms online. Talk With Stranger gives you access to thousands of free chat sites and free chat apps where you can talk to strangers and chat with strangers online without making any account. You can also make audio calls to strangers and phone call strangers online and chat free with random people.
A popular topic serves as a lure for a majority of newcomers, while a daily topic prevents the conversation from going stale. They constitute the keystones of a new order where the peripheral theoretical boundary actively exists as users all over the world converge, interact, and seek connection.
The landscape of chat rooms is very broad, rapidly changing, and accurately represents the current level of interest of the users. No matter whether you want to participate in discussions about popular matters around the world or express your opinion concerning other topics of the current day, a random chatroom like TalkWithStranger represents a great opportunity to stay in touch with diverse people.