There is evidence for God's existence. What do you think?



  • It's easy to say that you don't believe what you don't see, and then talk about ancient history like you know what happened. We CAN believe what other people have seen.

    This includes Jesus raised from the dead. People who saw Him alive after His death were willing to die for their testimony that they knew He rose from the dead. A creed that historians trace to only a few years after His death says over 500 people saw Him. People die for lies, but lies they're told. The eyewitnesses who were killed for belief in Jesus in the first century knew whether He really rose or not; they had seen it! So they weren't deceived, nor were they lying-if they were, they would have renounced their faith to escape death.


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    Well shit dude....



  • @FHLEndure #1 the bible is full of shit, contradicts itself and is full of hideous views, doctrines and lifestyle recommendations #2 there is still a flat earth society ffs #3 i believe there WAS a guy called jesus but he wasn't the son of god (who #4 doesn't exist) he was an illusionist a la davids Copperfield and Blaine, water into wine, walking on water etc. Kind of like the Dynamo of his day, people's minds would have been blown but it was sleight of hand, cunning tricks etc #5 it may not sound like it but i do respect other views on the existence of a supreme being and faith, just doesn't work for me personally


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    @Scottish this was wayy too long for me to read but I agree I think.....


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    @Scottish naww I'm just too lazy lol



  • I remain unconvinced.



  • @heyandrea i remain convinced it's all a load of bullshit more to do with power, wealth and control than spirituality. Don't mind anyone thinking differently but I'm having none of it


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    @FHLEndure said in There is evidence for God's existence. What do you think?:

    It's easy to say that you don't believe what you don't see, and then talk about ancient history like you know what happened. We CAN believe what other people have seen.

    Hell no, we can't believe because eye-testimony is not considered as the best evidence rather it is considered as a bad evidence. In 71 percent cases, the innocents have been found in jails by these liar eye-testimonies.

    This includes Jesus raised from the dead.

    Jesus raised from the dead through a supernatural agency so you must give a proof how a being can be raised from the dead thru this supernatural agency. The believer who claims about someone’s existence or inclusion must give a proof to prove his assertion as true. First, you need to prove 'a God exists'.

    People who saw Him alive after His death were willing to die for their testimony that they knew He rose from the dead.

    If they really had will to die why his two disciples including John would live for 70 more years ? According to historians, Jesus died on 30 AD but his favorite disciple John died on 100 AD. By the way, Jesus reappeared just one day after his death.

    A creed that historians trace to only a few years after His death says over 500 people saw Him.

    Acts 1.15 states he was seen by only 120 people after his death.
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    1 Cor 15.6 states he was seen by more than 500 people after his death.

    Since two contradictory statements can never be true there is no reason to think how many people saw him. Moses, Hercules, Romulus and many other pagan gods were resurrected after their deaths and were seen by many people, yet all three characters are fictional. Romulus was born on the same date (not year), place, type as Jesus did. Even though, his whole life- born to death was exactly same to Jesus. Romulus predates Jesus by 774 years. This article is credible with one of the best historical encyclopedia i.e. ancient.eu-

    People die for lies, but lies they're told.

    1. People lie for selling their myths. Today, the Bible is the best-selling book of this world. Don’t you know how much money temples/churches/mosques earn nowadays ?
    2. The Jews wanted someone to be their messiah before Christianity and they wanted to win over demonic forces (not Romans) thru him. This is why a messiah was already predicted by them in books of Daniels and Zac (read old testament and P4Q11- dead sea scrolls). Other messiah was wished by Josephus (a Jewish historian). So messiah word was already famous enough before the birth of Jesus. The name Jesus was taken from Jesus Ben Ananias. What I want to say is, someone who may perform miracles, will be called messiah- it was already decided by needy Jews.

    The eyewitnesses who were killed for belief in Jesus in the first century knew whether He really rose or not; they had seen it! So they weren't deceived, nor were they lying-if they were, they would have renounced their faith to escape death.

    1. Many disciples of Jesus had schizophrenia, catharsis, seizures and mental eclipses. So whatever the miracles and heavenly Jesus, they saw, cannot be said trustworthy. This is a psychological report on their known behaviours-

    2. Paul says over five hundred ‘brethern and Acts’ events on the day of the Pentecost. Five hundred = pentakosiois (English to Greek) and Pentecost= pentêkostês (Eng to Greek)- notice how two terms were approx same. Paul originally described a pentecostal experience so it was forged (because gospels do not confirm this 500+ people description). The Bible is written and edited by anonymous writers from time to time.

    3. Either the Luke or Paul was right or both were wrong about Jesus’ ascension because 500+ people’s description cannot be found in gospels. Paul relied on Greek Septuagint because he did not know Hebrew. Paul said in Gal 2:6 epistle writers nothing added into his message and messages of James, peter were written after Gal 2:6 so it is reasonable to say James and Peter never met with Jesus. Paul also said he know jesus thru only revelation and scriptures but he never met with earthly Jesus. Personal disciples of Jesus aka Jeruslam Pillars came from Paul but Paul says nothing about Peter, John or anyone else traveling around with Jesus. Paul says super-apostles were preached of a different Jesus (see Corinthians 11:5 and 12:11), therefore he was not inferior to them.

    4. None of the gospel writer met with earthly Jesus. Mark and Luke did not meet with Jesus. Luke says in LK 1:1-2 that his story has been handed down to his generation. Mark never lived in Palestine because his gospel has thousands of geographical errors. Matthew copied 90 percent (607 out of 661) verses of Mark with some corrections. If Matthew really saw Jesus, he might not copy from a guy who never met with Jesus (in other words he copied from a second-hand source). Luke also copied 50 percent of Mark’s gospels and he copied Matthew's too. Regarding John, we have found a physical evidence of john Rylands Papyrus which is dated early to mid 2nd century. This date is some years after the death of John. So, John did not write his own gospel.

    5. This is a list of all religions. Every 5 out of 6 religious messengers never existed physically. To say Jesus existed is same as to say IPU (invisible pink unicorn) or alien or flying spaghetti monster or dinkan or Ned Ludd existed. All of them have thousands of followers and a book.



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  • What do you think? Do believe God exists?



  • @Happy_Pills jesus would be proud, the layabout pretended to be dead for 3 days just to avoid work and then wanted everyone to send him chocolate eggs (I'm paraphrasing a little but essentially correct)



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  • @FHLEndure did you here about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac? He lay awake at night wondering if dog existed 😉



  • @Scottish That was somewhat funny.



  • I find it interesting that you evaluate the Bible by its moral quality. What sort of things do you disagree with?



  • I've had to make some serious lifestyle changes because of the Bible, but I don't regret it.



  • @FHLEndure Yes @God exists


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    @FHLEndure said in There is evidence for God's existence. What do you think?:

    What do you think? Do believe God exists?

    Bro all those saying God doesn't exist are right. God can not exist, He can never exist, only man exist because of existence is time related. God IS that's the right thing to say is God (that higher power y'all non believers talking about) IS not exist.

    And to the bro saying the Bible contradicts itself, yeah you're right. But with ignorant minds you can never make sense out of it. I was once like many of you guys on this website, saying all kinds of foolish things and nobody showed me whatever and I'm not a religious person. But now I'm able to make sense out of the Bible and the only reason for that is I've the Spirit of God in me.

    The Bible is not religious, the Quran is not religious, they were never religious it's leaders and all these filth in the world causing devision that made them religious. These books are spiritual!! and unless you're guided by the Spirit of God you will and can never make sense out of them NEVER.

    So @Scottish if you want to understand the Bible you need to get spiritual and seek that "higher" power (God) you talking about with your heart. Nothing more nothing less, to be able to see you need believe first. Unless you believe in God you will never see.
    You can say all these is ulter bullish and it will be your problem, cuz me I've passed the state of believing. I'm at the state of Acknowledging.

    i Know! that me.

    Thank you


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    What do you mean there is evidence for God's existence ?. All religions abrahamic
    or pagan , takes personal experience as the most valuable evidence of God's existence. Which cannot be considered a scientific method due the presence of such variances in the experiences.
    What I believe is that when humans became conscious he started to make sense of his own and the universe's existence. Men couldn't bear the fact that they have to simply die without a higher purpose and without knowing the secrets of the universe. All Gods are the early human's attempt to explain the existence itself.
    Average human mind even with proper education still is fragile and incapable of comprehending the universe. Hence they need some kind of assurance that their life has a purpose and death is not an end. That some kind of final truth lies in the afterlife. They believe the God is the ultimate truth. I think people prefer this because its a simpler concept to comprehend compared to the actual science.



  • The story of Jesus supposed death and resurrection could be a pointing to a higher truth, possibly








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