Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?

[Lee Sin]

looking for logical answer

[ODIN]

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok it's simple

GOD KNOWS YOUR DESTINY AND THEN YOU CHANGE YOUR DESTINY WHICH MEANS GOD DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW YOUR DESTINY

If god knows everything that means he created some people JUST because he wants to put them in hell forever.

So god IF he exists is an evil asshole

we can change our fate through dua

Du’a is an act of worship. It is the weapon of the believer and the only thing which can change Fate or Destiny.

IF GOD KNOWS THE FUTURE AND THEN YOU CHANGE THE FUTURE THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T KNOW THE FUTURE

IF GOD KNOWS YOUR DESTINY AND THEN YOU CHANGE YOUR DESTINY THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T KNOW YOUR DESTINY

Are you an idiot. How many times did i repeat this

Du’aa’ is very important. It can change the Divine decree and relieve distress. Allah Says in Holy Quran:

“And your Lord said: ‘Invoke Me [i.e. believes in My Oneness and asks Me for anything] I will respond to your (invocation). Verily, those who scorn My worship [i.e. do not invoke Me, and do not believe in My Oneness] they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!’” [Surah Ghaafir 40:60]

So god KNEW while he was creating the universe that these people were going to hell before they even existed. And then he created them just so he can put them in hell forever. What a fucking asshole

In another Verse, Allah says:
“And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad PBUH) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me” [Surah al-Baqarah 2:186]

So people who invoke god not only think that god had set stuff wrong but they also think they can recommend god on how to fix things and put them right again and god is totally ok with that. God doesn't sound like an all-knowing allwise and all-pwerful person

dude as i said this is fuckn complicated. he the Only one knows why he put it like that. And i believe he is very wise and only True God. not everything concerning his creations and fates that we can know. he is very wise to let peoples choose their path, and through duaa might chang someones fate. and dnt call him asshole please ffs

[ODIN]

our life is crafted by the unseen power which can be felt but can not be seen. HE is the ruler of our destiny.

[ODIN]

@lucifer_ said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok

@sarah said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

I think we decide ourselves

I thought Free Will was one of the founding principles of the universe...

mhhh i dont think so

[ODIN]

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok god is an asshole IF he exists

damnit, iddnt mean that, ffs, he gave everyone a choice to follow right or wrong, it is already destined that some peoples can go to hell and others to paradise, also remind you destiny can be changed depends on a persons faith and his willingness to change, if he was destined to be a bad person and he changed then thats where destiny changes. so it depends on your choice of living

[ODIN]

@lucifer_ said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok But that would mean free will???
I am confused.

choice of being a good person or ban person is freewill as long as destiny can be changed

[ODIN]

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok god is an asshole IF he exists

damnit, iddnt mean that, ffs, he gave everyone a choice to follow right or wrong

if god already KNOWS exactly what you are going to do then you don't have any choice

it is already destined that some peoples can go to hell and others to paradise, also remind you destiny can be changed depends on a persons faith and his willingness to change

if he was destined to be a bad person and he changed then thats where destiny changes. so it depends on your choice of life

So you're telling me

1. God knows the future(destiny)

2. But i can change (destiny)

3. So god can be wrong and ignorant about the future(destiny) and not all knowing

You are so inconsistent

changing destiny doesnt mean God is ignorant, its a chance that God gave peoples so that they can be free in choosing either ways, hell or paradise.

[ODIN]

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

changing destiny doesnt mean God is ignorant, its a chance that God gave peoples so that they can be free in choosing either ways, hell or paradise.

If god doesn't already know what you're going to chose that means he's ignorent of the future. LOGIC BITCH

he is clever and wise to make anyone change his destiny, and he knows each and everyones destiny and future. Omar (r.a) he was among serious killers and people who hated islam during islamic era at the time of prophet (pbuh) but he changed his destiny and we always mention his name on our prayers and when we recite quran

[ODIN]

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

changing destiny doesnt mean God is ignorant, its a chance that God gave peoples so that they can be free in choosing either ways, hell or paradise.

If god doesn't already know what you're going to chose that means he's ignorent of the future. LOGIC BITCH

he is clever and wise to make anyone change his destiny, and he knows each and everyones destiny and future. Omar (r.a) he was among serious killers and people who hated islam during islamic era at the time of prophet (pbuh) but he changed his destiny and we always mention his name on our prayers and when we recite quran

IF GOD KNOWS THE FUTURE AND THEN YOU CHANGE THE FUTURE THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T KNOW THE FUTURE

damn!!! look let me make it this way, God knows our future and our destiny, it is all planned by God to live the life we are living. he knows our future but he can change it depending on how we use our life. as i said it is all planned by God, we are given opportunity to change our future. ughhhhh...its fckn complicated

[ODIN]

@alwaysstranger hahahha!! he aint confusing its like
GOD; i know the future of alwaysstrangr, he will enter on paradise, but let me give him a chance to choose his path

Alwaysstranger; he be a bad person do somthin bad then he changes and be a good person, or do something that good

God; oh okay then he choosed the wright path even tho he spent his whole life denying me.

[ODIN]

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@alwaysstranger hahahha!! he aint confusing its like
GOD; i know the future of alwaysstrangr, he will enter on paradise, but let me give him a chance to choose his path

Alwaysstranger; he be a bad person do somthin bad then he changes and be a good person, or do something that good

God; oh okay then he choosed the wright path even tho he spent his whole life denying me.

So god was waiting to find out what i was going to do because HE DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW

he knows everythng. its like giving you a coin for free, i know that u will use it, but depends on how will u use it, i might know 100% that u will buy a gum, but thn its yo choice to buy something u like. shortly God knws the future and our destiny.

[ODIN]

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@alwaysstranger hahahha!! he aint confusing its like
GOD; i know the future of alwaysstrangr, he will enter on paradise, but let me give him a chance to choose his path

Alwaysstranger; he be a bad person do somthin bad then he changes and be a good person, or do something that good

God; oh okay then he choosed the wright path even tho he spent his whole life denying me.

So god was waiting to find out what i was going to do because HE DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW

he knows everythng. its like giving you a coin for free, i know that u will use it, but depends on how will u use it, i might know 100% that u will buy a gum

Oh wow god knows everything

but thn its yo choice to buy something u like. shortly God knws the future and our destiny.

But that means that he doesn't know what I'm going to buy because if he already knew what i was going to buy then it's not ky choice since i had no choice

haha dude u gat a point but this God staff is freakin complicated. i only knw what ive told u, about changing our destiny

[ODIN]

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok it's simple

GOD KNOWS YOUR DESTINY AND THEN YOU CHANGE YOUR DESTINY WHICH MEANS GOD DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW YOUR DESTINY

If god knows everything that means he created some people JUST because he wants to put them in hell forever.

So god IF he exists is an evil asshole

we can change our fate through dua

Du’a is an act of worship. It is the weapon of the believer and the only thing which can change Fate or Destiny. Du’aa’ is very important. It can change the Divine decree and relieve distress. Allah Says in Holy Quran:
“And your Lord said: ‘Invoke Me [i.e. believes in My Oneness and asks Me for anything] I will respond to your (invocation). Verily, those who scorn My worship [i.e. do not invoke Me, and do not believe in My Oneness] they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!’” [Surah Ghaafir 40:60]
In another Verse, Allah says:
“And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad PBUH) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me” [Surah al-Baqarah 2:186]

[ODIN]

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok it's simple

GOD KNOWS YOUR DESTINY AND THEN YOU CHANGE YOUR DESTINY WHICH MEANS GOD DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW YOUR DESTINY

If god knows everything that means he created some people JUST because he wants to put them in hell forever.

So god IF he exists is an evil asshole

Dua is beneficial with regard to what has been decreed and what has not been decreed.
The Prophet (Peace be upon Him) said: “Nothing can change the Divine decree except Dua.

[ODIN]

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok it's simple

GOD KNOWS YOUR DESTINY AND THEN YOU CHANGE YOUR DESTINY WHICH MEANS GOD DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW YOUR DESTINY

If god knows everything that means he created some people JUST because he wants to put them in hell forever.

So god IF he exists is an evil asshole

we can change our fate through dua

Du’a is an act of worship. It is the weapon of the believer and the only thing which can change Fate or Destiny.

IF GOD KNOWS THE FUTURE AND THEN YOU CHANGE THE FUTURE THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T KNOW THE FUTURE

IF GOD KNOWS YOUR DESTINY AND THEN YOU CHANGE YOUR DESTINY THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T KNOW YOUR DESTINY

Are you an idiot. How many times did i repeat this

Du’aa’ is very important. It can change the Divine decree and relieve distress. Allah Says in Holy Quran:

“And your Lord said: ‘Invoke Me [i.e. believes in My Oneness and asks Me for anything] I will respond to your (invocation). Verily, those who scorn My worship [i.e. do not invoke Me, and do not believe in My Oneness] they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!’” [Surah Ghaafir 40:60]

So god KNEW while he was creating the universe that these people were going to hell before they even existed. And then he created them just so he can put them in hell forever. What a fucking asshole

In another Verse, Allah says:
“And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad PBUH) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me” [Surah al-Baqarah 2:186]

So people who invoke god not only think that god had set stuff wrong but they also think they can recommend god on how to fix things and put them right again and god is totally ok with that. God doesn't sound like an all-knowing allwise and all-pwerful person

dude as i said this is fuckn complicated. he the Only one knows why he put it like that. And i believe he is very wise and only True God. not everything concerning his creations and fates that we shall know. he is very wise to let peoples choose their path, and through duaa might chang someones fate.

IF GOD KNOWS OUR FATE AND THEN YOU CHANGE FATE THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T KNOW YOUR FATE

Are you an idiot. How many times did i repeat this, this is the 5th time

and dnt call him asshole please ffs

So you are just going to say it's complicated and that you aren't going to disprove anything i said. I won.

haha u won but that doesn't change anything, its like this, when God created each soul, he asked every soul to choose its path, living here on earth its like proving for what we choose previously. so it is not Gods fault to create someone jst to suffer in hell, he asked first and we choose

[ODIN]

@alwaysstranger as u wish dude

[one]

Ma friend lee this is the best question ever i read on tws I'll give you the answer
First you are right we choose how to live our lives it's not planned by god but our destiny depends on how we lives our live means if you lives your life in good way without hurting anyone an without doing any bad things then you choosed good destiny already by doing good things it means human chooses his own destiny by doing good or bad things it's depends only on how we lives our live and most important god only helps good peoples for make theirs destiny good an also helps bad peoples to make theirs destiny bad..!

[ODIN]

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok Yeah exactly. Free will is an illusion, everything is already determined. So IF god exists and he is all knowing, that meabs that he knows exactly what you are going to chose at every moment of your life, then when he created the universe he created some people KNOWING that he he will put them in hell for eternity and that's the only reason why he created them

exactly ,They say that we are here because we chose to be born at this time and that only the strongest souls were allowed, We are the chosen one, and it is already destined how our life will look like. btw miss u buddy

[ODIN]

@alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

@ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

haha u won

I AGREEEE

but that doesn't change anything

I AGREE THAT IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING FOR YOU BUT FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHO READ THIS

its like this, when God created each soul, he asked every soul to choose its path, living here on earth its like proving for what we choose previously. so it is not Gods fault to create someone jst to suffer in hell, he asked first and we choose

I DISAGREE

that means that he didn't know what we were going to chose after he asked

If he knew what we were going to chose, he knew before he created us that he was creating us just so he can pur us in hell forever which makes him an asshole

it seems you even dont trust the existence of God himself. do you?

[sarah]

I think we decide ourselves