petrapark3r and ScruffyMutt debate God's existance
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There are enough non-believers and non-christians in that organization to invalidate this claim. The whole reason it was even created was to stop all those idiots who walk out of lourdes claiming they had been miraculously healed. The only thing the commitee does is verify wether a medically impossible healing occured, which is a thing that does tend to happen. They don't tell you that it is a miracle.
In clinical studies the placebo effect has not been shown to heal terminal illnesses. In fact the only things that the placebo effect works on are pain, depression and things that are of equally subjective nature. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo). If you claim to believe in science then don't just state things contrary to the scientific consensus.
It doesn't matter wether you doubt your own false interpretation of what is going on. All miracles that actually happen are to bring people closer to God. He does not heal the worthy and leaves the unworthy. He heals those for whom it is good and leaves those for whom it is not. Many Saints have had terrible diseases and pain for all their lifes.
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You can not verify an unexplained healing unless the test subject was tested and studied during, before, and after the event.
IF a miraculous healing occured after visiting the spring it could be because there was a mosquito bite on the individual by the Jalo Julie fly, an undiscovered insect whose bite cures cancer.
This is why scientific experiments are conducted in "Controlled Environments" to remove unaccounted for variables. The individuals running The Lourdes Medical Beureau are NOT impartial observers and researchers. They benefit every time they declare a "Miracle" occured.
And who says the Virgin Mary appeared to this girl/woman to dig up this spring? The girl/woman herself which probably also saw Princess Diana in line at the motor vehicle department? Or maybe she smoked too much peyote? Why do you so redibly believe these weird people that claim they personally saw a god but have yet to get his phone number?
If I say "I saw god on the bus. Wearing a pink fedora." you would think me a nutcase. If you DIDN'T think I were a nutcase then you'd be one too. How is this cult of Lourdes any different?
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And, Ave you looked at that "Spring" that she dug up "Behind the Pigs Pen""? It's a river at the foot of a cliff. So this nonsense about "digging for a spring" isn't even a spring. And no one could of built there in the 1800's because every rain would of sent water running down the cliffside flooding buildings.
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@ScruffyMutt said in petrapark3r and ScruffyMutt debate God's existance:
You can not verify an unexplained healing unless the test subject was tested and studied during, before, and after the event.
If you had looked closely to the criteria you should have realized that no miracle qualifies that has not been tested and studied before. It must be a terminal desease, that doctors had a look at. The event must be a spontaneous healing, so that you can compare the day before and the day after.
IF a miraculous healing occured after visiting the spring it could be because there was a mosquito bite on the individual by the Jalo Julie fly, an undiscovered insect whose bite cures cancer.
They must have a strange fly there then that can cure all kinds of diseases.
This is why scientific experiments are conducted in "Controlled Environments" to remove unaccounted for variables. The individuals running The Lourdes Medical Beureau are NOT impartial observers and researchers. They benefit every time they declare a "Miracle" occured.
Then why the heck do they declare so few? Must be stupid these people. And also: you know how people are. Even if there wasn't a medical commitee they would come in the thousands if they heard there were miracles. In fact the commitee's effect might actually have been that fewer people come because there were only 67 recognized impossible healings, and only 4 of them were in the last decades.
And who says the Virgin Mary appeared to this girl/woman to dig up this spring? The girl/woman herself which probably also saw Princess Diana in line at the motor vehicle department? Or maybe she smoked too much peyote? Why do you so redibly believe these weird people that claim they personally saw a god but have yet to get his phone number?
Because I'm not stupid enough to expect God to have a phone number? I don't readily believe that she saw the virgin. There just have been a lot of miracles and Bernadette lived a saintly life. Its not even important wether I believe this, you don't have to believe any of this to be catholic.
If I say "I saw god on the bus. Wearing a pink fedora." you would think me a nutcase. If you DIDN'T think I were a nutcase then you'd be one too. How is this cult of Lourdes any different?
Because there is no bus on which thousands of people are healed from various diseases. And there is no bus where 67 people where healed from various diseases in a way, that is not explicable by any fly or placebo effect or whatever.
This is the nice thing about the catholic church. It always require high criteria for any claim. And it doesn't just believe. It gives a Nihil Obstat, which means nothing contradicts the churchs teaching in a given private revelation (like the visions of Bernadette). Thats all it ever does. It never recognizes anything supernatural. And it usually takes 30 to 100 years to do so. There is one thing the catholic church is not: gullible.
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@ScruffyMutt said in petrapark3r and ScruffyMutt debate God's existance:
And, Ave you looked at that "Spring" that she dug up "Behind the Pigs Pen""? It's a river at the foot of a cliff. So this nonsense about "digging for a spring" isn't even a spring. And no one could of built there in the 1800's because every rain would of sent water running down the cliffside flooding buildings.
Are you serious man? Do you ever verify what you say?
The picture in that article shows the result of enourmous amounts of rain that put big parts of france under water, including lourdes. I have been to lourdes and there is a spring, which is above the river's normal water level and the river is not directly in front of the cliff, there is a huge area there where people meet.
And why shouldn't there be a spring? On the photo you can even see the cliff which is part of a small mountain. Mountains are known to have springs. The spring is a perfectly natural occurrence, and it was simply flowing into the river below ground for hundreds of years. Bernadette just discovered it. The only unnatural thing here is, that people are being cured from disease.
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@petrapark3r said in petrapark3r and ScruffyMutt debate God's existance:
And who says the Virgin Mary appeared to this girl/woman to dig up this spring? The girl/woman herself which probably also saw Princess Diana in line at the motor vehicle department? Or maybe she smoked too much peyote? Why do you so redibly believe these weird people that claim they personally saw a god but have yet to get his phone number?
I don't readily believe people who claim they saw God or the virgin Mary personally. In fact there are thousands of those people around. I believe a very select few of them.
Are you good at putting yourself in other people's shoes? Then you might find the following enlightening:
I do believe in God, for various reasons. I do believe in a God who acts in my life and in other people's life. And I do believe in the God of the bible, especially the new testament. Not only is the bible full of miracles, it even predicts that God will for Jesus' true disciples through all times, confirm their teaching through acting in the physical world. This is the God I do believe in.
If there really were no miracles happening, then that would invalidate my faith. My faith would be irrational, if I continued to believe in a God who acts, once presented with clear evidence that He never does. So I do expect miracles to happen.
But I'm a rational thinker as you know, so I'm not happy with the low bar that many christians of other denominations and also some catholics put to something before they call it a miracle. I put the highest possible bar onto something before I accept something as a possibly true miracle (no 100% security ever). And I'm quite happy with the catholic church doing just that.
Of course again, as a rational thinker, I also know that with any given miraculous healing I can never be 100% sure that there is not some natural reason behind it. And that is okay. You don't have to have 100% security. Since you cannot measure God, you really cannot have 100% security, its impossible.
So with any given miracle I don't know and that is fine. But there are lots of miracles and some are real.
I believe I'm good at putting myself in other people's shoes, especially in the shoes of someone who does not believe in God, since I have been one myself. And I'm pretty sure about the following:
The only reason why you don't think: "Lourdes sounds like an interesting place, I should go and verify if that commitee takes its own criteria seriously" is because you are utterly convinced that there cannot be such a thing as a miracle and that there cannot be such a thing as God.
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It is a fact, that all things that came to knowledge have their origin. For instance, something that involved the presence of a God must have happened since then, where all these believers and atheists came from? Or their names? Or even the fact that we know of the subject and it was not invented. So after all, if God was fake, was the Holy Bible invented? (I'm not putting myself in any position here)
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Since you didn't answer anything further on the topic of miracles (which don't just happen in Lourdes btw. but in many places all around the globe, though I personally haven't checked many of them) lets procede to the next piece of evidence: Things that seem to be created by the divine. An important one is Image of the Holy Virgin at Guadalupe.
In Guadalupe the virgin Mary supposedly appeared to a farmer named Juan Diego. When the poor guy brought some flowers that the virgin had said to collect to the bishop, an image of the Holy Virgin had become visible on his cloak. The interesting thing about this cloak is, that the image seems to be burned in in a way that no one was able to reproduce, and the other interesting thing is that it is made of a fabric, that should have rot away in a very short time. Now don't claim the catholic church in 1531 had a bunch of scientific geniuses who know how to preserve this specific material, on which the image had suddenly appeared.
Another important part of the story, the part which gives the miracle credibility in the sense that it is divine and not develish are the fruits that the appearance had.
Everybody who reads this should know that the spanish Conquistadores and the portugese crown had come to south america and forced the indio population to accept the christian faith. They also tricked them in countless trades to give up the land and the gold they had. It becomes clearly visible that this is not the work of good christians by the fact that they did not just kill the indios who resisted them but also the christian jesuite patres who helped the indios. This was of course very unchristian and they certainly deserve to rot in hell for doing all this in Christ's name. However they were not successful. Most of the indios kept their native faith in secret.
But the appearance of the virgin Mary produced a wave of conversions among the native population. This is the real reason why south america became catholic. Now tell me, why would an aparition of the virgin mary bring indios to conversion in the millions? Didn't they already have an irrational faith? Is the christian faith somehow better or more credible? And if so, why didn't they accept it before?
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@petrapark3r said in petrapark3r and ScruffyMutt debate God's existance:
If there really were no miracles happening, then that would invalidate my faith. My faith would be irrational, if I continued to believe in a God who acts, once presented with clear evidence that He never does. So I do expect miracles to happen.
This is the root of why you believe.
You believe miracles - not simply things that have not been explained yet or unlikely odds occuring but actual miracles from god- because with no miracles then there would be no "evidence of God".These "Miracles" are actually just the desperate need by other fellow people whom need a "sign of God's exsistence". These "Miracles" are also the "Rational Proof" the believers use to reinforce their own confidence in their rationality.
The universe is over 93 BILLION light years across with over 200 Billion galaxies each containing an average of 100 Billion stars for an estimated
1,000,000,000,000,000,000 star systems. Just our planet has about 7,500,000,000 people.Yet for some reason, despite all the cosmic collisions, car crashes, unsolved murders, global warming, crazy politicians, viral outbreaks, super novas, American idol, North Korean people starving, Russian power grabbing, child rapes, kidnappings, upset stomachs, wrong way freeway drivers, police brutalities, credit card hacks, world's being sucked onto black holes, China rounding up Chinese Muslims into concentration camps, imigrant children being separated from their parents, Mexican Cartel mafia killings, Rwanda genocide, and so on....
Despite all of this, these "Rational Believers" have faith that they are part of a master plan by a loving and forgiving supreme being that takes special interest in their lives because because they are somehow so important. The alternative terrifies them.
And all of this will roll off the believers' shoulders as they find a new way to rationalize it into fitting their chosen narrative.
This was never a rational debate, Mr./Ms. Parker, because a rational debate requires "rational" thinking, not "rationalized" thinking.
So I end my side of the debate with a consideration about how significant any individual is no matter how devout:
(You likely only skim my posts anyway)
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@ScruffyMutt said in petrapark3r and ScruffyMutt debate God's existance:
@petrapark3r said in petrapark3r and ScruffyMutt debate God's existance:
If there really were no miracles happening, then that would invalidate my faith. My faith would be irrational, if I continued to believe in a God who acts, once presented with clear evidence that He never does. So I do expect miracles to happen.
This is the root of why you believe.
The root of my believe are God's continuous actions (little miracles, none of them of any significance if it standing alone) in my own life.
You believe miracles - not simply things that have not been explained yet or unlikely odds occuring but actual miracles from god- because with no miracles then there would be no "evidence of God".
Indeed, because they are evidence of God. Any single miracle might not be, like any piece of evidence might be false. But the question is wether they are all false. You say yes, because of your own conviction, that there can be no such thing as God. I say no, because of my own conviction that God is.
These "Miracles" are actually just the desperate need by other fellow people whom need a "sign of God's exsistence". These "Miracles" are also the "Rational Proof" the believers use to reinforce their own confidence in their rationality.
There is no such thing as proof of a miracle or proof of faith. Requiring something like that would be irrational. The only thing I said was that if there really was nothing happening (which clearly is not the case) then continueing to believe would be irrational.
And you started this discussion with the statement, that there was not a shred of evidence. What did you expect? Of course I'd go and list all of the evidence of God's actions in the world. Is it definitive proof? Of course not. But it is evidence, and it is real.
The universe is over 93 BILLION light years across with over 200 Billion galaxies each containing an average of 100 Billion stars for an estimated
1,000,000,000,000,000,000 star systems. Just our planet has about 7,500,000,000 people.Yet for some reason, despite all the cosmic collisions, car crashes, unsolved murders, global warming, crazy politicians, viral outbreaks, super novas, American idol, North Korean people starving, Russian power grabbing, child rapes, kidnappings, upset stomachs, wrong way freeway drivers, police brutalities, credit card hacks, world's being sucked onto black holes, China rounding up Chinese Muslims into concentration camps, imigrant children being separated from their parents, Mexican Cartel mafia killings, Rwanda genocide, and so on....
Despite all of this, these "Rational Believers" have faith that they are part of a master plan by a loving and forgiving supreme being that takes special interest in their lives because because they are somehow so important. The alternative terrifies them.
And all of this will roll off the believers' shoulders as they find a new way to rationalize it into fitting their chosen narrative.
This was never a rational debate, Mr./Ms. Parker, because a rational debate requires "rational" thinking, not "rationalized" thinking.
Faith is not rational in the sense that God is not rationally understandable or scientifically measurable. Faith is trust, in someone. And I'm not a "rational believer". I am both a believer and a rational thinker, very much capable of separating those two worlds and even highlighting where they touch. And you had a good chance to see that. That instead you go ahead now and deny me that I am a rational thinker seems very irrational to me, especially since you are the one who brought many claims into this debate, that you did not verify (which a rational thinker has an obligation to do) and that have been proven wrong by me without much difficulty.
So I end my side of the debate with a consideration about how significant any individual is no matter how devout:
You really think that size is what defines significance? That seems rather irrational to me. Is a dead rock or a burning ball of gas really more significant than a conscious, feeling, thinking, experiencing individual?
I say clearly not. Because the only thing that gives any significance to anything is consciousness. We conscious beings are the only things in the universe, to whom anything can even matter. We are – this should be clearly visible to any conscious and rational thinker – the only thing, that actually matters in this universe, no matter how small we are for we give all other things meaning.
Of course this is true for any conscious being, if there are others like us, not just humans.
(You likely only skim my posts anyway)
I have answered lengthily to all your posts, and every argument in it. I often disagree, but that does not mean, that I don't take it seriously. This is almost an insult.
However I must apologize. My reply to your claim that the spring at Lourdes was not real, was also quite insulting. So please forgive me.
I am sad that you want to end this debate now, because I have not arrived at the end of my list of evidence of God's actions in the world.
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@ScruffyMutt said in petrapark3r and ScruffyMutt debate God's existance:
Yet for some reason, despite all the cosmic collisions,
I don't see how cosmic collisions, super novas or world's being sucked into black holes would speak against God's existence. I cannot even see why that might be called a bad thing, for as far as we know they are long dead.
crazy politicians, American idol, upset stomachs,
Lets exclude a few things (these ↑ things) from your list please, which nobody could consider a strong argument.
China rounding up Chinese Muslims into concentration camps
Let me add to the strength of this argument, that there are no muslim-only concentration camps: The most persecuted religion in china (just like in most places) is christianity.
However in this is also hidden another piece of evidence for God being real. Christianity is the only religion that gains followers through conversion in our day and age (excepting the occasional oddball of course). Buddhists are born. Hinduists are born. Muslims have in the past mostly gained followers through conquest, and now they grow through reproduction. Shinto followers are also born. Jews are also born. Christians have always gained followers through conversion (sadly also through conquest, many of which however were ineffectual as seen in south america).
And this is even more astonishing as Christianity grows the fastest were it is persecutest the heaviest. There are tens of thousands of babtisms everyday in china. Today we have the heaviest persecution of christians ever in human history (in total numbers), and yet it has never grown so fast.
This might be the strongest evidence for God's action in the world that there is. Since people convert despite the fact that they are told quite an unbelievable story about a guy killed on a cross by his own people, resurrected in the flesh, gone to heaven, being the Son of God even... and for believing this they gain a high chance of loosing everything they have, including their life!
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@ScruffyMutt said in petrapark3r and ScruffyMutt debate God's existance:
Yet for some reason, despite all the cosmic collisions, car crashes, unsolved murders, global warming, crazy politicians, viral outbreaks, super novas, American idol, North Korean people starving, Russian power grabbing, child rapes, kidnappings, upset stomachs, wrong way freeway drivers, police brutalities, credit card hacks, world's being sucked onto black holes, China rounding up Chinese Muslims into concentration camps, imigrant children being separated from their parents, Mexican Cartel mafia killings, Rwanda genocide, and so on....
This is a good piece of evidence against the existence of God. I was wondering when you would add it into the discussion. Of course I acknowledge the facts, and I'll even give you this: there is no rational answer to the question of why God lets bad things happen.
I will give you a theological answer, but, in the context of this discussion, this cannot be called a rational argument ofc. Therefore I'll begin with a
Disclaimer: The following is not a rational argument so don't take it as such.
Here goes:
Despite all of this, these "Rational Believers" have faith that they are part of a master plan by a loving and forgiving supreme being that takes special interest in their lives because because they are somehow so important. The alternative terrifies them.
And all of this will roll off the believers' shoulders as they find a new way to rationalize it into fitting their chosen narrative.Christ is the prime victim.
And he is the victim of all our evil doings. He is the victim of
unsolved murders, global warming [petra: if caused by humans], North Korean people starving, Russian power grabbing, child rapes, kidnappings, police brutalities, credit card hacks, imigrant children being separated from their parents, Mexican Cartel mafia killings, Rwanda genocide, and so on....
He is the one carrying all those sins on His back. And they are our sins. They happen because people do evil.
And we, the members of christianity (and those who live in God through their loving actions), can share in His sacrifice. Our pain is not in vain. For the meaning of existence is love, and there is no such thing as love without sacrifice. Thus the fact that there is so much suffering in the world means that we can love God and each other through atoning for our sins and the sins of our neighbors. We can help people reach heaven, through our suffering. This is what being christian is about: Take up your cross, help your neigbour carry theirs, and follow Christ on the stony way to heaven.
Disclaimer: This reply contains the heart of christian theology and is not a rational argument!
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We will never be able to understand the reasoning of God because we are human. Therefore lacking knowledge of the infinite aspects of God.
There really isn't a good comparison but compare the life of a human to that of a star or even that of the earth.
Such is our knowledge and understanding of God.
Hence faith.
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@wet-teri said in petrapark3r and ScruffyMutt debate God's existance:
We will never be able to understand the reasoning of God because we are human. Therefore lacking knowledge of the infinite aspects of God.
There really isn't a good comparison but compare the life of a human to that of a star or even that of the earth.
Such is our knowledge and understanding of God.
Hence faith.This makes a lot of sense...
Nice debate sort of. It's definitely good reading
Thanks bud :blush:
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Sadly @ScruffyMutt left the debate prematurely, after mistaking my personal faith (and my personal experiences) for an argument (my fault though for not pointing that out properly). Of course my feelings, my personal believe, my trust in God are not an argument, and they are also not the reason for why I call certain things evidence. My personal believe is only relevant for this discussion as it gives me reason to assume that God's action in the world might be indeed in the realm of the possible.
So for everyone who found this discussion interesting I'll continue with my list of evidence. You can tune out scruffy, I won't blame you.
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Another interesting type of miracle are the eucharistic miracles. They even give us something that might be called forensic evidence of God's actions in the world. They happened hundreds of times in the history of the church. Specifically I'm talking about all the instances where during holy mass the bread turned supposedly into real flesh and the wine into real blood. Whenever this (supposedly) happened, people would put them into some kind of glass container, and display them in the church where they happened.
So, as of today, we have many of pieces of flesh and pieces of clotted blood in churches all around the globe. This is a fact. Even the current pope, when he was still a bishop in argentina, had to examine one of those that had recently happened.
Now you might think, that this is an instance of desparate priests trying to get people into their churches or – since they were full anyways in the past centuries – to get some money into town. I would also suspect that. In fact I too do suspect that some of those "miracles" were actually that. Many of those false miracles were certainly excluded when the church examined them. But now you'll ask me, why I don't believe that they are all just because of a clerical conspiracy. Here is why:
First of all they don't rot. They are centuries old and a bit dry, but they don't seem to rot away. But maybe the church has a secret of how to preserve flesh and blood for centuries? Its possible.
Second of all, those that have been forensically examined – at least those I know of – have the following in common:
The flesh:
- is human heart fiber
- was taken from a heart that was still alive
- appears to be from a man who was dying
- appears to have been taken from that heart a short time ago (like a few hours, not decades or even centuries!)
The blood
- always has the same bloodtype: AB negative (the rarest bloodtype there is, only 0.6 percent of people have it)
Incidently this is also the bloodtype of the blood found on the shroud of turin and the cloth of manopello. We can talk about the shroud of turin later, its another interesting piece of forensic history (since it was dated not into Jesus time).
So, even if this was some kind of crazy conspiracy of the church's genius elite, they did a pretty good job of using only the blood of AB negative people before anybody had ever even heard the word "bloodtype", don't you think?
@ scruffy in case you read this: This isn't just some unexplicable healing that occured for unknown reasons. This is evidence for one thing and one thing only: Jesus being quite literal about: "this is My Flesh" and "this is My Blood". (as long as it isn't false evidence ofc)
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Another piece of evidence are predictions of the future. The problem with those however is that they are scarce and often cryptical and hard to interpret.
Especially the predictions in the bible tend to be very cryptic. Lets take the following:
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,
who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. (1 Timothy 4:1)You could say, we are living in this time right now. People are no longer believing. Those who where christians in the west are now following many esoteric believes (New Age) and other things, or even science which some people revere like a religion (I also think science allows us to find the truth about the natural world, but like any truly rational thinker I know its limits) and not to mention genderism. There is an immense fight going on in the whole world against traditional values such as marriage between men and women, and vegans want us to stop eating meat alltogether.
But the problem with all this, is that there are many other ways in which this could be interpreted. Hong Xiuquan for example who was a cruel warlord that almost subjugated all of china in the 1800rds and who believed to be the second son of God forbid sex between married people.
So how about we go to some less cryptic prophecies: Lets take the secrets of Fatima for example.
The second secret of fatima was written down in 1941 and has supposedly been given in 1917 by the Virgin Mary. This is it:
You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the Consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.
So, world war II had already started when the profecy was written, but it wasn't clear yet, that it would be a worse war than the first world war. The pope did indeed consecrate russia to the Immaculate heart and an unbelievable five years later the Soviet Union was no more and since then we've had a time of relative peace, at least no world war level conflict happened. Also the pope who did the consecration, John Paul II was shot, so he did indeed suffer a lot until he died.
But is this enough? It would have been better if Lucia had written this down before the second world war began, but still that is a set of things that could indeed be called the fullfillment of the profecy. But: it isn't fully conclusive.
Lets look at another prediction. The private revelation "True Life in God" (TLIG) predicts the fall of the world trade center: http://tlig.org/en/messages/654/ . I have a printed version of this from 1993 in german, so please don't say it was written after the fact. I am sure, that if you want to verify this you'll be able to find an old copy in a language you know.
Is it conclusive however?
It was written on September 11th 1991, exactly 10 years before the tragedy of the world trade center to the day. It says "evil built into Towers will collapse into a heap of rubble and be buried in the dust of sin!". There is no other message in TLIG that fits what happened so closely and I mean the date is very very peculiar.
I think we can call this evidence by the crimial definition of the term. However we cannot give it an 8 or a 9 on the convincing scale.
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As promised lets talk about the shroud of turin. Actually I think I don't have to write much. I'll do a short summary and simply refer you to the (english) wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating_of_the_Shroud_of_Turin), which goes into detail about everything.
The shroud of turin is supposedly the shroud in which Jesus' dead body lay in the grave when he resurrected.
It appears, that the image is a negative (as in non-digital photography) and seemingly was burned into the shroud by an immensly strong light (said in layman terms). Nobody was able to reproduce this, since the energy required for a modern laser far surpasses what any reasonable lab would be able to use. And the results are far from what the shroud is.
There was a big media hype around 1986 when the shroud was carbon dated for the first time to around the year 1350. However afterwards the scientific debate continued because the samples taken do not actually allow for a conclusive dating since they are from the outer range of the shroud which was propably repaired in the middle ages... So basically everything (most of the other forensic results) except the carbon dating in 1986 speaks for the shroud being indeed old enough to be the very shroud Jesus was buried in.
And lets not forget that the blood type of the stains on the shroud was also found on the cloth of Manopello and in many of the eucharistic miracles (and is the rarest bloodtype there is: AB. No resus factor could be tested.)
So, it can definitely count as evidence. For further reading I simply refer you to wikipedia.
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Now we'll come to a rather tricky piece of evidence: the fact that the body of some saints didn't rot away. It is tricky, because its not conclusive at all. Here's why: Not only the bodies of saints have been found to not rot sometimes, Also John and Jane Does, and Mr. Smith of course (e.g. normal people). I heard that in china there is even such a dead guy who is revered as a God. It seems to happen a lot more often with saints though...
So, you might ask me: then why do you even mention it?
There are 2 very curious cases I know of, that actually seem more conclusive.
St. Nepomuk was – according to legend – the priest to whom the queen went to confess. He was killed by the king, supposedly because he did not tell the king about the contents his wife's confession. When he was exhumed in 1719, 300 years after his death, all of his body had rotted away. Except for his tongue. And this is definitely not something that just happens naturally. However the only thing we have are the exhuming party's accounts. Can we trust them?
With St. Anthony of Padua again the tongue did not rot in 30 years until he was exhumed. But this too was before scientific times. However what was found when his grave was opened for the second time in 1981, suggests that the accounts of the first opening might indeed be true.
So, even though one can call this evidence, it is certainly weak. And as such it is not part of the evidence that the church uses to beatify people. It is curious. But should not be overrated.
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Throughout history quite a few people (for example Saint Pio of Pietrelcina) have had stigmata, which are wounds on the body, that inexplicably appear in one or all of the following places: The hands, the feet, on the upper body around the height of the heart, and sometimes little wounds on the head. They are commonly associated with Christ's crucifixion, e.g. the wounds of the nails and of the crown of thorns.
These wounds tend to stay open for many years. In the case of Saint Pio they closed a few hours before his death. Most of them also have visions, but as we have seen, visions in and of themselves do not qualify as evidence.
Skeptics say, that they might associate so strongly with Christ that it shows on their bodies. But then again: do people who believe they are bulls grow horns?
But it gets even more curious with these people. Some of them, for example Therese Neumann, seem to be able to live without eating or drinking anything other than one piece of the eucharist each day for years! Well that is what they say. However it is really fun to read the accounts of debunkers who go to live with them, observe what they do for months, and then finally give up after realizing, that they cannot find any evidence of them eating.
What could be the natural cause of something like this? Did these people develop the ability to photosynthesize? :joy:
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The Engaging Landscape of Talk With Stranger's Recent Page"
The "Recent" page on Talk With Stranger serves as a hub where users post new content and updates across various topics. It enables members to engage in free chat rooms, share experiences, and reconnect with chat partners. View this post on Tumblr Members can chat in free public chat rooms, share suggested experiences, and join their chat buddies back. When you visit Reddit Chat, then the next thing to do is go through different posts, from finding new friends and random chats to random chat rooms. This allows community members to message, aid and learn from others in a robust, interactive environment. The page encourages an interactive platform by linking between people who really have nothing to link but their willingness for spontaneous interactions around the world.
The Recent Page on TWS Website
Recent page in Talk With Stranger (TWS) can be a static or dynamic place where all users who are looking for recent thoughts, ideas posts and chat with past people. This page serves as a live feed of activity alerts users to new user actions, conversations and chat invitations. The "Recent" page is the core of community-centrism, providing running participation that allows users to quickly participate in free chat rooms and random charlatan index
This page is just as important for new arrivals as it is for users who have been lounging in TWS meta-mall since December, because it captures the pulse of a community. It does not only pin the last posts but also permits followers to respond at lightning speed, either by replying to someone else or starting a new thread.
In this post, we will address the details of how users are active on the Recent page, what types of content they share mostly and how incorporating free chat rooms or random chats level up their experience. In this series we will explore the keywords chat, free chat, chat rooms, free chatroom and random chats at the heart of each of the dynamics that constitute Talk With Stranger.
The Role of the Recent Page: The Catalyst for Live Commerce
The importance of the Recent page on Talk With Stranger cannot be overstated — it serves as a key place where new and previous content can both be discovered and interacted with. This is one such useful page as it displays all the posts in a chronological way which reflects what is really happening on the platform. Whether it be a follow up to the new conversation you just engaged with or ongoing discussions on the topic, there is always something for users to talk about instantly. There are many posts by strangers who want to chat with strangers and talk to strangers online in private stranger chat.
By simplifying the process of connecting, the "Recent" page aims to promote community involvement. Rather than having to go through many areas of the website to locate ongoing conversations or chat rooms, visitors may visit this page and immediately become involved in the most recent exchanges.
Typical post categories on the "Recent" page consist of:
1. Private notes to get in touch with former conversation partners.
2. Requests to join particular chat rooms for talks or games.
3. Queries on a range of subjects, from technical inquiries to life guidance.
4. Friendly salutations or requests to start casual conversations with new users.
TWS makes sure customers don't miss any action by offering a single, user-friendly page, which makes it easier for them to keep informed about current discussions and community developments.
The Foundation of Interaction on Talk With Strangers: Free Chat Rooms
The free chat rooms on Talk With Stranger, which let users text and converse with individuals all around the world, are the center of the community. Because they give users an adaptable and convenient way to meet new people depending on their common interests or needs for impromptu conversation, these chat rooms are an essential feature.
To accommodate a variety of tastes, free chat rooms are separated into several categories. There is something for everyone on TWS, regardless of whether users like the excitement of random talks or would rather join a themed room focused on technology, music, or lighthearted banter. Some chat rooms' randomness enables members to meet individuals from different backgrounds and step outside of their comfort zones.
Common Categories of Free Chat Rooms
1. General Chat Rooms: These rooms provide an informal setting for discussion on any subject. These rooms are great for casual conversations, whether someone wants to share a strange idea or speak about their day.
2. Themed Chat Rooms: A lot of people want to participate in discussions that are tailored to their interests. Users may interact with others who share their interests in relationships, technology, gaming, movies, and other topics by joining themed chat rooms.
3. Random Chat Rooms: One of the TWS platform's most well-liked features is its random chat rooms function. Users are paired with random people in these rooms to have impromptu talks. Random voice chat rooms provide an element of excitement and unpredictability, whether you're wanting to meet someone new or just want to have a surprise conversation.
Random Conversations: A Special Way to Speak With Strangers
One of Talk With Stranger's key features is its random chat feature, which matches users with random people from all around the world. Users never know who they'll be conversing with next because of this feature, which gives the site a sense of surprise and originality.
The popularity of random conversations has increased for a number of reasons:
1. Spontaneity: Random conversations offer a totally unexpected experience, in contrast to other chat platforms where users may join particular groups based on interests. Users who like making new friends or who just want to kill time by striking up a random discussion will find this appealing.
2. Global Reach: Due to the platform's global user base, casual chats frequently result in discussions with individuals from other nations and cultural backgrounds. Because of its diversity, the user experience is enhanced and learning and cultural exchange are made possible.
3. Anonymity: Because TWS random conversations are primarily anonymous, participants are able to express themselves honestly without worrying about disclosing personal information. Because of their anonymity, users may be more at ease and authentic.
The random chat function improves TWS overall by encouraging special and impromptu relationships that would not occur in more formal conversation environments.
Actual Instances of User Engagement on the Recent Page
There is a wide range of active engagement on the Recent page. Users share a variety of content, such as invites to games or group discussions and personal narratives. The "Recent" page can be used in the following typical ways to facilitate connections:
Seeking Former Chat Partners: A lot of people utilize the "Recent" tab to post in an attempt to get in touch with someone they previously spoke with. This is especially typical in situations when participants are chatting randomly and may not have had time to share contact information before the chat ends. As an example, a user could post:
"Searching for the girl who spoke about Harry Potter the day before." Message me if you see this, please!
2. Inviting Users to Join Group chat conversations in group chat rooms: Some users invite others to themed or group conversations by going to the "Recent" page. These entries may provide an overview of the subject matter and an open invitation to participate for everyone who is interested.
"Hi everyone, today we're playing a game of truth or dare in the "Random Fun" chat room. If you're ready for some fun, please feel free to join!
3. Asking queries or advice: Users frequently post queries on TWS in an effort to get advice from other members of the community, which is highly helpful. These might be more serious questions about life, personal recommendations, or suggestions for movies or literature.
"Hey, I need some guidance on how to deal with a challenging circumstance at work. I'd be delighted to hear your opinions!
4. Sharing Personal tales: Users can also share tales or personal experiences with the community on the site. These posts frequently start conversations and bring people together via similar experiences.
"So, last night I had this strange dream. Just curious if anyone else has had something like it." Let's talk about weird dreams!
The community is kept alive and active by the diversity of involvement, which guarantees that there is always something fresh going on the "Recent" tab.
The Influence of Inclusive and Anonymity in Free Chat Rooms
Talk With Stranger's dedication to anonymity is one of its best features. Because sharing personal information is not mandatory, users are able to converse openly and without fear of repercussion. Those who might be reluctant or bashful to express their opinions in more conventional social settings will find this option very intriguing.
Additionally, anonymity creates a level playing field by removing prejudices and preconceptions from interactions between people from different backgrounds. It promotes candid and open discussion since users may voice their opinions without worrying about the consequences.
The website is also quite inclusive, providing free chat rooms that accommodate a wide variety of hobbies and backgrounds. You'll discover a room that works for you whether you want to play games, have in-depth philosophical discussions, or just chat about music.
How to Use the "Recent" Page and Navigate It
New users may easily navigate the "Recent" page.When you log in to the site, the website transforms into a live feed featuring the most recent posts. Here's a little tutorial to help you make the most of it:
1. Look for interesting topics. To see the most recent posts, navigate to the "Recent" page, which is often updated.
2. Post Your Own Message: All it takes to initiate a discussion or pose a query is to make a post. This area can be used for asking for guidance, inviting others to join a discussion, or sharing a thought with the group.
3. React to Others: One of the simplest ways to participate in the community is to reply to other users' postings. Reacting to postings, whether by giving counsel or just jumping into a conversation, promotes deep ties.
4. Invite People to Chat Rooms: You are welcome to publish an invitation on the "Recent" tab if you would want to start a chat room or if you have a particular one in mind. This is a fantastic method to get like-minded people together for games or conversations in groups.
The Significance of Community Engagement and Feedback
Initiating discussions is only one aspect of engagement on the "Recent" tab; community members' feedback and interactions are equally crucial. Feedback can come in a variety of forms, such as answers to queries, supportive comments during conversations, or even helpful critique.
Promoting Positive Criticism
1. Establishing a Safe Space for Sharing: It's critical to have an environment that is encouraging when people offer feedback. Constructive criticism promotes users' confidence in voicing their thoughts, which might result in more in-depth conversations.
2. Encourage Active Listening: Active listening is necessary for participating in discussions on the "Recent" page. Before replying, users should carefully read the posts made by others. This exercise aids in creating pertinent responses that significantly advance the current conversations.
3. Acknowledging Contributions: It's critical for other community members to recognize the insightful viewpoints and helpful counsel that others have shared. To help people feel appreciated, a brief "Thank you" or a more thorough answer might be quite beneficial.
Activities to Foster Community
Community contact is essential for Talk With Stranger to flourish, and the "Recent" page acts as a spark for a variety of community-building events. In addition to maintaining user engagement, these activities help participants form enduring relationships.
Games and Tasks for Groups
By using the postings on the "Recent" tab, a lot of users take the initiative to set up challenges or group activities. These exercises, which encourage cooperation and healthy competition, might be anything from quiz contests to creative writing assignments.
1. Trivia Nights: Users can suggest a trivia night and extend an invitation to others to attend. In order to ensure that everyone may participate, regardless of knowledge level, questions can cover a variety of topics.
2. Creative Writing Challenges: People who love to write in the community often organize writing contests in which participants are required to come up with short tales in response to suggestions. This encourages creativity and gives individuals a platform to demonstrate their writing abilities.
3. Collaborative Projects: people may work together on projects, including starting a blog or community newsletter using content from different people. Everyone feels more invested in the community and more engaged as a result of this team effort.
The Value of Restraint and Safety Procedures
Despite the typically warm and inviting attitude on Talk With Stranger, it's critical to have policies in place that safeguard users and promote a constructive environment. Moderators are employed by the site and are vital in maintaining civil and entertaining interactions for all users.
1. Active Monitoring: Moderators keep an eye out for improper conduct or content on the "Recent" page and in other chat rooms. Their presence guarantees that users feel secure interacting with others and helps discourage bad interactions.
2. Giving users more power: Users are urged to help keep the group honest by sharing any questionable behavior. We can make sure that everyone is responsible for making the workplace nice if we all work together.
4. Educational Initiatives: Another area of the community's concentration is instructing individuals on safe online behavior. A safer environment is achieved by consistently reminding people of the value of preserving personal information and having polite conversations.
Establishing Consistency in Building Trust
Any community needs trust, and developing that trust requires patience and steady work. Users may cultivate trust through their interactions and communication dependability on the "Recent" page.
1. Consistency in Engagement: Engaging in conversations on a regular basis contributes to building a presence in the community. Those who often offer insightful commentary and assistance are likely to establish lasting bonds with one another.
2. Keep Your Words: Users must keep their word when they agree to join a group chat or take part in an activity. Reliability in keeping promises sustains credibility and entices people to interact with you.
3. Transparency in aims: Establishing rapport during discussions can be facilitated by being forthright about one's aims. Clear communication creates a trustworthy atmosphere, whether one is looking for companionship, guidance, or just a good conversation.
Individual Development via Community Involvement
Talk With Stranger conversations offer chances for self development in addition to social connection. Through networking with a variety of people, users may broaden their views and improve their social skills.
1. Improved Communication Skills: Having talks on a daily basis helps users improve their communication skills, making it easier for them to express their thoughts and actively listen to others.
2. Broadened views: Engaging with others from different backgrounds exposes people to a range of countries, ways of life, and views. Having this exposure may increase one's understanding and empathy.
3. Enhanced Confidence: Taking part in discussions, particularly random ones, may give people a boost in confidence. Users could grow more at ease expressing themselves in real and online contexts over time.
The Future of Virtual Communication: Chat Community Trends
The community's ideals and interests are reflected in the content that people have contributed on the "Recent" page. This user-generated content, which ranges from artistic creations to personal narratives, acts as a mirror to the users' varied viewpoints and experiences.
By identifying what appeals to users most, analyzing this content may provide light on the community's collective identity, promote a feeling of community, and inspire others to share their perspectives.
Future developments in technology and user behavior will probably have an impact on Talk With Stranger and other similar services as online communication continues to change. Users' interactions with one another might be influenced by innovations including more individualized chat experiences, AI-driven moderation, and improved privacy options.
Communities will also need to change in response to the increasing desire for inclusiveness and diversity in order to continue being welcome places for people looking to connect and have a discussion.
Concluding Remarks on Engagement Techniques
Here are some last ideas to keep in mind while customers explore the ever-changing "Recent" page to improve their experience:
1. Remain Curious: Enter into discussions with an open mind. Deeper relationships might result from posing questions and demonstrating an interest in the experiences of others.
2. Be Respectful: Regardless of the outcome of a discussion, always show others respect. It is possible to avoid misunderstandings and create a pleasant environment by acting with respect.
3. Promote Inclusive: Try to interact with users who could come out as more reserved or uninvolved. Encouraging everyone to participate contributes to the development of a well-rounded community.
Users may enhance their own and others' experiences on Talk With Stranger by adhering to these rules and helping to create a vibrant and encouraging community.
Summary
Talk With Stranger's "Recent" tab is a hive of activity where people publish updates, participate in free chat rooms, and exchange content with one another. People come together to engage in real-time interaction in this melting pot of concepts, feelings, and relationships. The page's lively interaction demonstrates the platform's function as a global discussion center, making it a fun location to make new friends and get in touch with existing ones.
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQS)
Q1: What does the Talk With Strangers "Recent" page entail?
Answer: Users may share their most recent updates, re-connect with others, and have discussions in free chat rooms and sporadic chat sessions on the "Recent" part of the website.
Q2: How do TWS free chat rooms operate?
Answer: Users may join or establish free chat rooms to converse on a variety of topics without having to pay anything. Everyone is welcome to use these rooms, which encourage impromptu conversations.
Q3. Is it possible to locate particular people on the "Recent" page?
Answer: A lot of people do post on the "Recent" tab in an attempt to get in touch with someone they spoke with before. Users can use this function to look up friends or conversation partners from past sessions.
Q4: Is there no cost to utilize Talk With Stranger?
Answer: Users do not need to pay to access random conversations, free chat rooms, and other services on the site.
Q5: What kinds of subjects are covered on TWS?
Answer: A broad variety of subjects are discussed by users, such as dating, movies, technology, life guidance, and more.
Conclusion
The "Recent" tab on the Talk With Stranger platform embodies the spirit of contemporary internet conversation. TWS creates an atmosphere where community members feel linked even when they are geographically separated by providing a place where users may participate in random conversations, have free chat sessions, and post updates. The platform provides a dynamic and varied area to satisfy your social requirements, whether you're looking for a brief chat or a deeper conversation.
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helloooooooo?
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😂😂😂 It's like saying we play basketball and I am the referee hahaha stfu plz you made me laugh seriously .
You should learn how to debate with the people, TM. A constructive debate always has rules. It is not your public chat where you can abuse or assert to write essays to shut my mouth up. You should not participate in a debate if you disagree with the rules on the first place. A debate is not a sport nor it is played, make common sense.
I replied on each and every false thing you said with links and evidence from the Quraan and sunna ..
What if I considered The Koran as legitimate source ? I will show why it does not change the argument. But ofc this will be mine last reply to you as you disqualified to yourself and I do not have time to answer what you write further. You always write what you want to and interpret any verse without citing a single weblink.
now you don't wanna accept it
Now or always ? It is written in the topic initially. Apparently, you did not bother to read the rules
Treatment to disbelievers -
"˹Remember, O Prophet,˺ when your Lord revealed to the angels, “I am with you. So make the believers stand firm. I will cast horror into the hearts of the disbelievers. So strike their necks and strike their fingertips.”
"This is because they defied Allah and His Messenger. And whoever defies Allah and His Messenger, then ˹know that˺ Allah is surely severe in punishment."(8:12-13)Source - https://quran.com/8?startingVerse=12 (this is how someone writes if they have to post a source; they do not just write (8:12-13)). This is what a weblink is.
"So when you meet the disbelievers ˹in battle˺, strike ˹their˺ necks until you have thoroughly subdued them, then bind them firmly. Later ˹free them either as˺ an act of grace or by ransom until the war comes to an end. So will it be. Had Allah willed, He ˹Himself˺ could have inflicted punishment on them. But He does ˹this only to˺ test some of you by means of others. And those who are martyred in the cause of Allah,1 He will never render their deeds void."
Source - https://quran.com/47?startingVerse=4
Public lashing of fornicators -
"As for female and male fornicators, give each of them one hundred lashes,1 and do not let pity for them make you lenient in ˹enforcing˺ the law of Allah, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a number of believers witness their punishment." (24:2)
Source - https://quran.com/24/2
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That verse is already mentioned in the wikipedia link I posted first. You failed to counter-argue after making 14 record posts. You did not even care to quote it. You brought your own assertions and then you tell me what I wrote is false.
Also, the contradictory verses were written in the same webpage. You failed to even quote them as well.
evidence from the Quraan
You cannot even spell Koran/Quran correctly and you read it five times. Huh ?
A forum like this https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/topics/extraterrestrial-intelligence is enough for you to think aliens exist.
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Conclusion: Saudi girls attain menarcheal age earlier than their mothers, reflecting a downward secular trend in menarcheal age.
So, Mother's puberty age > Daughter's puberty age. In Ayesha's time, it was around 15.74. Do the math with Cuzick test for trend (0.049).
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@Zack-Williamson I replied on each and every false thing you said with links and evidence from the Quraan and sunna now you don't wanna accept it ... it's up to you but for me it's more than enough whether you like to read it or not . Thank you 👋
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@Zack-Williamson 😂😂😂 It's like saying we play basketball and I am the referee hahaha stfu plz you made me laugh seriously .
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@ODIN said in Can Islam really teach ethics to anyone ? Think again.:
I understand your point, perhaps you have learned alot from different legit sources about islam and koran itself.
The reference links of the page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Quran#Notes
Ibn Ishaq is different legit source ? Every islamic work depends on him. In fact, he was the first guy who wrote biography on Muhammad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq
And you came to conclude about how intolerant the quran and islam is toward women and other religions. Thats a good step toward knowing the truth about islamic religion.
The proof is always backed up by evidence. It is very simple to say I have thousand ants in my cupboard. If I tell this to everyone, almost 100% people will ask for the evidence. They are not going to believe me. When people opened my cupboard and recorded the video and showed it to me, I tell them you get to know cupboard does not have any ant. Different sources describe it has ants.
If you wont mind perhaps i would share how i understand islam, koran and different sources describing about this religion
I do mind this. When I mind this, I don't want you to teach me.
Talking about Quran and intolerence toward woman and other religions, in my point of view, i find Koran is actually shows us how blessed woman is in many ways.
The Quran, the holy book of Islam, indicates that both men and women are spiritually equal. The Quran states: "Those who do good, whether male or female, and have faith will enter Paradise and will never be wronged; even as much as the speck on a date stone."BTW I said all people to argue with evidence otherwise you will be disqualified. Read the rule 2. I am not gonna answer any of your reply.
And fight in Allah’s way those who fight you, but do not commit aggression—Allah does not love the aggressors...Surah al-Baqarah
And kill them wherever you overtake them, and expel them from where they have expelled you. Oppression is more severe than murder. But do not fight them at the Sacred Sanctuary, unless they fight you there. If they fight you, then kill them—such is the payback for the unbelievers.
MUSLIMS SHALL ONLY FIGHT WHEB OPRESSED AND PUSHED BY VIOLENCE FRON THIER HOMELAND FOR OPRESSION IS MORE SEVERE THAN MURDER AS ALLAH SAID.Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. MUSLIMS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ATTACK THOSE WHO DO NOT ATTACK THEM BUT ONLY TO FIGHT BACK OR PREPARE FOR A FIGHT IN A WAR OR GHAZWA WHICH MEANS INVADING THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO INVADE US OR WILLONG TO PUSH US OUT OF OUR HOME AND FIGHT US IN OUR RELIGION .
You too violated rule 2 multiple times. As I have already said, don't assert without evidence. I am not gonna answer this. Proof by assertion is a fallacy in logic. Your other arguments contain a forum link which is not an encylopedia nor a individual research website so I dismiss your all arguments. I do not want to read them. I just did read blue letters aka links.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion#:~:text=Proof by assertion%2C sometimes informally,regardless of contradiction and refutation.
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(You cannot cite an unauthentic website especially which lacks any reference. Encylopedias and research websites bring more weightage of evidence to other websites. Do not assert w/o evidence.) Islamic sources has islamic content isn't that a simple common sense thing for you to understand ? Lol Wiki and Encyclo are more general content that provide answers to those who wanna read the titles before going in depth analysis and main sources . THANK U .
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(You cannot abuse anyone. People who abuse, lack rational arguments. You cannot argue like this) replying to this : THAT WAS NOT AN ARGUMENT BUY A JOKE LOL YOU CUT OFF ALL THE PREVIOUS ARGUMENT ON WHICH YOU SURRENDERED AND AGREED TO AISHA HIT THE PUBERTY AND WAS CAPABLE OF MARRIAGE ! BUT YOU SIMPLY NEEEEED TO BRING ANYTHING YOU CAN TO SHOW THAT U ARE ARGUING WHILE I HAD NO LOGICAL REPLY TO FEEL LIKE A WINNER . THAT'S WHAT LOSERS USUALLY DO. NEXT TIME BRING LESS SHIT FOR ME TO WHIPE OFF AND MORE RATIONAL POINTS TO ARGUE ABOUT .
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The median age of puberty is declining in Saudi Arabia, so it means the median age of Saudi Arabian's girls' for puberty was higher than now. It was 11 to 14 between 2006 to 2012. Replying to this : THE ANSWER OF THIS CLAIM IS IN UR LINK ... U JUST REFUSE TO READ OR YOU ARE BLIND TO READ AND UNDERSTAND THE COMPONENTS OF UR OWN LINK !!!
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Who can teach us ethics ? The one who himself married, 6 years old Saudi Arabian girl Aishah and slept with her when she was 9 years old ? Or the one who had 13 wives ? : 3) And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hands possess [i.e., slaves]. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice]. And give the women [upon marriage] their [bridal] gifts[161] graciously. But if they give up willingly to you anything of it, then take it in satisfaction and ease.[162] And do not give the weak-minded your property,[163] which Allāh has made a means of sustenance for you, but provide for them with it and clothe them and speak to them words of appropriate kindness.(6) And test the orphans [in their abilities] until they reach marriageable age. Then if you perceive in them sound judgement, release their property to them. And do not consume it excessively and quickly, [anticipating] that they will grow up. And whoever, [when acting as guardian], is self-sufficient should refrain [from taking a fee]; and whoever is poor - let him take according to what is acceptable. Then when you release their property to them, bring witnesses upon them. And sufficient is Allāh as Accountant.
AS YOU CAN SEE ALLAH HAS FORBIDDEN MARRIAGE BEFORE THE PROPER MARRIAGEABLE AGE ( PUBERTY) SO THE PROPHET DID NOT HAD SEX WITH HER BEFORE SHE HIT PUBERTY OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE SEEN ANY SIDE EFFECTS TO SUCH ( RAPE OR SHAMEFUL ACT ) AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO THINK .
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(Who can teach us ethics ? The one who himself married, 6 years old Saudi Arabian girl Aishah and slept with her when she was 9 years old ? Or the one who had 13 wives ?) Replying to this :https://islambasics.com/chapter/preislam-polygamy/
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(I do not think I have to prove that they are not the words of God because it contains a lot of contradictions, absurdities, inconsistencies, errors already. God would not commit such mistakes like humans since he is supposed to be an intelligent being.) ALLAH indeed is the almighty superior creator and this claim of yours has a perfect reply in the quraan : (46) So have they not traveled through the earth and have hearts by which to reason and ears by which to hear? For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts. Indeed a blinded heart is the cause of all sickness that's why the minds can't see the deep connection between the verses for they are blinded by their sick desires and weak soul that is eager to live here forever and thinks their will be no return to Allah after death : Then did you think that We created you uselessly and that to Us you would not be returned?" ...
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(People who think Quran is the word of God, also think that humans cannot decide what ethics are and only their holy book can decide them) Replying to this : And it is He who produced you from a single being, then a repository, then a depository. We have detailed the revelations for people who UNDERSTAND. Unfortunately the english dictionary cannot 100% reflect the meanings of words such as " تتفكرون ، تعقلون ، تفقهون ، تتقون ، تنظرون " All those words encourages the human being to Think , contemplate , understand , comprehend , see ( mindfully ) rationalize etc... all such words are mentioned in Quraan as Allah mentioned in soura Al-Baqara (53): And [recall] when We gave Moses the Scripture and criterion that perhaps you would be guided. As you can read the word GUIDED is the main reason for why the revelations were revealed to the prophets . The Quraan and Bible and Taorat and Zabor and Abraham's scriptures all are for guidence for us humans، to rise spiritually, psychologically and mentally and build a chain of ethics and social laws to be helped and saved . This is the path of Allah that we should follow with obedience or otherwise Satan will take over our will and heart and lead us to perish then go with him to hell .
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( In the Koran and Islam, you can see the umpteen amount of intolerance towards women and other religions.) Replying to this : Surah al-Baqarah
190. And fight in Allah’s way those who fight you, but do not commit aggression—Allah does not love the aggressors...Surah al-Baqarah
191. And kill them wherever you overtake them, and expel them from where they have expelled you. Oppression is more severe than murder. But do not fight them at the Sacred Sanctuary, unless they fight you there. If they fight you, then kill them—such is the payback for the unbelievers.
MUSLIMS SHALL ONLY FIGHT WHEB OPRESSED AND PUSHED BY VIOLENCE FRON THIER HOMELAND FOR OPRESSION IS MORE SEVERE THAN MURDER AS ALLAH SAID.
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(In the Koran and Islam, you can see the umpteen amount of intolerance towards women and other religions) replying to this : Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. MUSLIMS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ATTACK THOSE WHO DO NOT ATTACK THEM BUT ONLY TO FIGHT BACK OR PREPARE FOR A FIGHT IN A WAR OR GHAZWA WHICH MEANS INVADING THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO INVADE US OR WILLONG TO PUSH US OUT OF OUR HOME AND FIGHT US IN OUR RELIGION .
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(In the Koran and Islam, you can see the umpteen amount of intolerance towards women and other religions.)... Replying to this : Al noor 2 .The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment. EQUALITY IN PUNISHMENT FOR COMMITING ADULTERY .
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(In the Koran and Islam, you can see the umpteen amount of intolerance towards women and other religions)... Replying to this : Al-Ahzāb: (35) Indeed, the Muslim men and Muslim women, the believing men and believing women, the obedient men and obedient women, the truthful men and truthful women, the patient men and patient women, the humble men and humble women, the charitable men and charitable women, the fasting men and fasting women, the men who guard their private parts and the women who do so, and the men who remember Allāh often and the women who do so - for them Allāh has prepared forgiveness and a great reward. NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN AS ALLAH MENTION THEM BOTH EQUALLY .
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In the Koran and Islam, you can see the umpteen amount of intolerance towards women and other religions
Replying to this : "O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste." Prophet mohammad words before he died in the farewell seremon . https://atida.org/forums/node/2587
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It is very cowardly to cut my words and offer only the words that I was laughing at lol I'm coming to reply .
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Talking about Quran and intolerence toward woman and other religions, in my point of view, i find Koran is actually shows us how blessed woman is in many ways.
The Quran, the holy book of Islam, indicates that both men and women are spiritually equal. The Quran states: "Those who do good, whether male or female, and have faith will enter Paradise and will never be wronged; even as much as the speck on a date stone."
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Iron Within Meteorites
According to M.E. Walrath, iron is not an element that was naturally present on Earth. Studies suggest that a billion years ago, a meteorite struck Earth. This meteorite had iron on it, and when it exploded after coming in contact with our planet, Earth got iron. This scientific fact in Quran is stated in passage 57:25 as “we sent down iron with its great inherent strength and its many benefits for humankind”.
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Embryology
Embryology is a branch of biology concerned with the study of fertilization and embryo development. The central religious text, at one point, talks about embryology and states a significant scientific fact in Quran. It says, “We created man from an extract of clay. Then we made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then we made the drop into an Alaqah (blood clot), then we made the Alaqah into a Mudghah…” (Quran 23:12-14)Here the word ‘Alaqah’ can be defined as a leech, blood clot, or something suspended in the air. According to science, a foetus gets nutrients and oxygen from the mother. In this sense, it is not unlike a leech that sucks blood. Also, in the early stages, the foetus stays stationary and the blood does not flow, which renders it similar to a blood clot. Lastly, in the womb, the baby hangs from the uterus wall by the placenta and lies suspended.
Engaging Popular Topics and Daily Topics in Online Chatrooms
Online chatrooms have given rise to an animated platform, the beauty of which is that people can freely express their views on an infinite number of topics. This makes the chatrooms more appealing than ever. There are many aspects of the popular topics in the chat where people come to share their thoughts, ask questions, or even just talk, whether it is about daily life, fun, issues relating to people, or even news. No matter how quickly the world changes, and how fast paced the world of the internet becomes. These chatrooms make it possible for that ever-new wave of active discussions to take place, ensuring that there are new daily topics on which people will talk. Free chat with other strangers and make new friends online on Talk With Stranger by talking to strangers.
Specifically, in this article, we will look at the most common popular topics and the typical daily topics that sustain chatrooms and their relevance to users worldwide. This guide is designed to walk you through the focus areas that attract the greatest interest and where exactly in today’s reality, they have chatrooms turned into a melting pot of relations based on the commonality of interests. Chat online today on TWS (TalkWithStranger) free chat sites.
The Appeal of Popular Topics Available in Chatrooms
Interesting features include the extensive range of interesting topics available, which appeal to many people, in the chat rooms. Users on such platforms log in to participate in various topics. It includes news, entertainment, and personal life issues where one seeks advice. The interesting thing about these services is that they are very flexible. One can look for a particular chat room for a particular interest or just join general conversations on everydayevery day topics that are suitable to most members.
What Brings People’s Attention to Popular Topics?
Many factors make certain topics interesting in chat rooms:
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Users’ temptations: There is a tendency among users to love taking part in topics that appeal to them the most. This could go like my favorite sport, my best friend, my way of life, etc.
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Topics that grab people’s attention: Such topics would be politics, maternal care, and discussions of trends that are of the moment, the amount of response generated is always impressive.
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Communication: It is often the case that many people from different walks of life have something in common in terms of subjects of interest. Chat rooms provide the perfect medium for enhancing the attainment of the objective given the chances of being supportive.
Popular Topics: Chat Room Examples
Some topics tend to be focused on in chat rooms every time. The topics include:
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Entertainment: Most of the time, some topics revolve around movies, television shows, music, or video games. It could be an advertisement for the most recent movie or a review of the music tabs. One thing that is guaranteed is that entertainment is always booming.
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Personal Relationships: Most of the time chat rooms are used to air relationship challenges, seek assistance, or even share very amusing dating experiences.
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Health and Wellness: Most people seek participation in chat rooms from textbooks or fitness programs for sporting or health advice. Members will often share information concerning the different aspects of healthy living.
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Hobbies and Interests: Chat rooms are great for passionate individuals to unite and talk about photography, trips, or gaming.
The Dynamic Nature of Daily Topics
While popular topics help users join conversations, it is the daily topics that engage users in chat rooms that are activerooms active and interesting all the time. These conversations tend to be more relaxed and light-hearted. They enable users to log in every day and have something to say without feeling overwhelmed by the need to give a detailed response. These daily topics are also particularly useful in helping people form social bonds over ordinary daily enterprises.
How Daily Topics Maintain Interest in Chatrooms
Daily topics are introduced in every chat room to enhance user interaction in each room. These topics revolve around something going on in the current and global environment. Users can share how their day is going, offeringgoing offering their thoughts about any holiday or other memorable day. This strategy I believe aids in making the members active and hence making them wish to come back to the room more often.
Common Types of Daily Topics on Free Chat sites
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Daily Check-Ins: It’s common in most chat rooms to find a thread titled “How’s your day” where individuals post what has been happening to them.
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Current Events: A hot talk is a topic that arises from breaking news the most popular politics of the day or a hot global issue.
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Personal Milestones: Users like to express their achievements, presenting such events as a successful promotion, a new relationship, or losing extra weight.
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Lighthearted Fun: Coveted daily trivia and other everyday topics encourage users to take their time and look for lighthearted and funny themes.
The Change in Trends in Chats and Subjects in Chatrooms
With the advancement in technology, so do the topics in the chat room. Most people talk about the same things over the internet, like entertainment, relationships, health and so other aspects that are popular with the majority. The chat rooms of today are such that members are as likely to engage in understanding tech advancements and sharing thoughts on cryptocurrency and responsible living as much as they do about fetishes and lifestyle fads.
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Trending Popular Topics in Modern Chatrooms
There has been the development of popular topics in chat rooms, especially with the emergence of social media and the quick spread of information. Some of these niches that are becoming increasingly popular in chat rooms include:
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Tech and Gadgets: Since the technology era is ever getting advanced, some users just can never stay in a room without chatting about the most recent devices and applications thatapplications, that are revolutionizing the world today.
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Sustainability: Now more than ever, many people are conscious of environmental concerns and chat rooms are also more about modern living, climate, and sustainability as well.
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Cryptocurrency and Blockchain: Many are still catching up with the crypto world and as the market for cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin and Ethereum continues to grow. Many chat rooms center around the same helping users provide areas where they can talk about the latest in crypto, and even help investors time the market.
Integrating New Trends
It is one of the outstanding virtues of the chatrooms to incorporate new trends that come up. As new interests develop, chatrooms tend to adopt these changes by adding fresh popular topics that occupy users and keep the subject of the platforms. These trends in popular culture allow abandoning the claim that chat rooms in the modern world no longer have any reason to exist.
Inclusion of Popular Topics and Daily Topics in Building Community
Every active chatroom seems to be vigorous mostly due to the sense of community residing in it. Users do not simply engage in conversations; they relate with persons who have common interests with them. Popular topics become the points where users can strive to begin making conversations while daily topics aim to make the chat rooms more engaging and colorful.
Importance Of Popular Topics In Relating Users
Beginning from the fact that users in a chat room engage in certain popular topics quite frequently, certain bonds start forming. This can either be as a result of a common favorite show or advice given on personal stuff, these talks create an aspect of closeness and attachment among the members.
How Moderators Influence the Nature of Popular Topics
Moderators help scrutinize and enhance what is being talked about in the chat rooms. They keep the closure with users by topping and pinning some hot topics to avoid unnecessary diversion from the subject of discussion.
The Influence of Trending Topics on the Traffic of Chat Rooms
The variation of popular topics is one of the features that is responsible for the constant return by users to the chat rooms. Some topics, once they become popular, are known to draw an even bigger audience and hence create a lot of movement into the platform. This is particularly true of chatrooms which are mostly focused on current discussions concerning trends that are fascinating enough to pitch a large number of people to walk in and join in the talk that is actively going on.
User-Generated Content and Its Effects on the Popular Daily Topics
The nature of all the user-generated content is also one of the things that appeals more to popular topics. The main weakness which traditional media hosts is that it is very rare and poorly structured by active participants which are the members and audiences of free chat rooms. This therefore explains why popular topics are referred to as fluid and flexible to the will and wishes of people.
Some of the most common user-generated popular topics that have been known to attract traffic include:
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Live Event Discussions: Large events containing competitions like sports, award ceremonies, and others, are all great topics because they usually attract large numbers of users to chat rooms to discuss these events as they are happening.
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Viral Challenges and Trends: It could be an internet challenge, a viral meme, videos, or animations; chatrooms are channels that enable users to engage and talk about such trends.
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Advice Columns: It is no news that threads and discussions seeking to offer or request advice on matters of relationships, career choices, and even health are some of the most actively participated areas in chatrooms from their popular circles.
How Chatrooms Evolve Around Daily Topics
As time goes by, chatrooms change in their structure and contents. This is because the trends and preferences of the users also change over time. Daily topics are essential as they keep chatrooms functional as a channel of instant communication. These days, most of the chatrooms are adding up new technologies and features to meet the increasing expectation of instant communication.
The Rise of Real-Time Interactions
With social media being the key to communication, chatrooms also adopted a real-time interaction facility that allows users to participate in a conversation that has already commenced. Daily topics such as current affairs, news, or what is trending at that time can be used for such calls for discussions. This is the essence of immediacy and it is arguably why people would want to participate and interact with other people.
Mobile Chatrooms and Their Social Aspects
Mobile devices dominate the internet today and chatrooms have adapted their systems to this trend. The change has had a notable effect on the way people consume the questions of the day and interact with them. It is now possible for users to get into chatrooms from any location which ensures that conversations about questions of the day remain ongoing and current in real time.
Some of the factors that have contributed to the emergence of mobile chatrooms include:
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Push Notifications: Additionally, notifications will notify users about a daily topic of interest that has been posted and will enhance user engagement.
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Instant Messaging Features: For instance due to social mobile app chatrooms incorporating messaging features instant messaging features make convenient discussions around daily topics easier.
Popular Topics and Niche Communities
While most chatrooms deal with broad-based popular topics that capture thousands and thousands of users’ interest, the same cannot be said of niche communities which constitute an integral part of the chatroom ecosystem. Usually, people cluster in small groups with specific topics or interests that are more specific than just the broad original topic. It could be a fan club dedicated to this or that serial or the IT trends. These focus communities allow their users to address such a trend in more detail rather than attract a wider audience.
Why Niche Popular Topics Are So Trending Today
Niche popular topics are on the rise owing to how different chatrooms can cater to the individual user’s needs. As users are looking for more focused content, such specific forums enable discussions that are not just skin-deep. This approach effectively sustains user interest by allowing them to interact with those who share their interests and have different spheres of passion.
Some other examples of niche popular topics are:
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Science and Fantasy Fiction: Chatrooms that are dedicated to everything from the latest picture books and motion pictures to fan artfanart creation.
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DIY And Crafting: These boards help people exchange tips, tutorials, and projects and form a constructive activity-oriented community.
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Fitness And Wellness: In recent years niche forums focused on fitness training, meal plans, and mental health discussions have become quite popular as well.
The Future of Popular Topics and Daily Topics
Popular topics as well as daily topics will always be at the center of interaction by the users. The competition for live and engaging content has been fuelled as many more lounges introduce real-time elements. This transformation brought to light the relevance of chatrooms in bridging the gap between physically distant people while engaging and maintaining the chat as to the current needs of internet users.
An Overview of How AI and Automation Boost Popular Topics
With the growth of AI technology, it has become common to see chatrooms coming up with more automated features to contain conversations that revolve around trending topics. For instance, with the use of AI, most chatrooms can now predict the topics that will be relevant at a certain time and recommend which threads to place or which subjects to discuss. Not only does this improve the experience of the users, but also it keeps the discussions being talked about new and more active than at any other time in history.
Some AI-driven strategies that help maintain popular topics include:
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Intelligent Topic Recommendations: When users feel at ease sharing topics with others, they call upon popularity prediction strategies, which are employed by AI algorithms seeking user trends and behavior toward potential arguments within the community.
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Moderation: As more users join the chatrooms, particularly due to topics of the day or interest, there is a need to create and maintain a positive ambiance in the chatroom. Chat moderation tools based on AI will keep out inappropriate content during the day to ensure that topics remain respectful.
Gamification and User Rewards for Engaging in Daily Topics
Chatrooms are looking for ways to attract users’ attention towards the daily topics, thus, trying to include gamification features in topics. These features include but are not limited to, awarding users with points, badges, and leaderboards to individuals who contribute some reasonable discussions daily to increase and retain users. This makes chatting fun and encourages participation in all activities of the chat community.
Key gamification elements observed in contemporary chatrooms include:
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Star Contribution Leaderboards: Top contributors of the day for these topics are displayed.
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Badges: Users are rewarded with virtual badges for inverting or contributing in to hot debatable subjects.
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Exclusive Education: The best users are allowed to participate in special sections of the website’s top level based on their activity.
Predicting the Next Upsurge of Popular Topics
Both the chatroom administrators as well as the users constantly seek future prevailing subjects. If it is a burning social issue, new technology, or entertainment, being able to do so is precisely what may bolster the attractiveness of chatrooms to their users. Persistent growth in the volume and activity of these audiences will be experienced by those resources that promptly create therapeutic forums for trending topics.
Most Popular Chatroom Topics That Will Certainly Emerge In the Future:
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Sustainable Living and Eco-Friendly Practices: With the increasing global awareness of climate change, there will be a shift in the direction that chat room discussions will focus on sustainable living. They will focus mainly on sharing ideas, and materials, and talking about ways of living sustainably.
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Blockchain and Cryptocurrency: The technology of blockchain and the whole trend of cryptocurrency is still likely to be an ever-enticing subject among fellow forum members.
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Mental Health and Well-Being: As the world continues to focus on mental health issues, there will be more and more discussion forums on the sources of the problems self-care, and support which will be a very popular subject
Conclusion
The reason many chat rooms are still being used is because there are always interesting issues and current topics. It is through these conversations that users can interact with each other and share their experiences and people even establish relationships. Busy discussing current trends in newscasts, participating in comparative analysis of the newest dramas, or just posting their most important events, chat rooms have finally emerged as a hub for almost everyone who goes online. Talk to strangers in free chat rooms online without registration and meet new people and make new friends in anonymous text chat rooms as well as voice chat with random people and video chatrooms online. Talk With Stranger gives you access to thousands of free chat sites and free chat apps where you can talk to strangers and chat with strangers online without making any account. You can also make audio calls to strangers and phone call strangers online and chat free with random people.
A popular topic serves as a lure for a majority of newcomers, while a daily topic prevents the conversation from going stale. They constitute the keystones of a new order where the peripheral theoretical boundary actively exists as users all over the world converge, interact, and seek connection.
The landscape of chat rooms is very broad, rapidly changing, and accurately represents the current level of interest of the users. No matter whether you want to participate in discussions about popular matters around the world or express your opinion concerning other topics of the current day, a random chatroom like TalkWithStranger represents a great opportunity to stay in touch with diverse people.