I saw that.
I wish I didn't.
I saw that.
I wish I didn't.
Heavy rains, thunder, lightning, air quality alert, news says stay off the road.
But I have to get to work.
If I'm late or call off then they won't care why.
If I was a free man then I could choose not to go to work.
But I have no choice.
I need the paycheck or I will suffer greatly.
I don't hate work or working. I hate having the financial entrapment to work.
I read your post in the entirety.
Here is what i I took away from it:
It wasn't an insult. It is exactly how you sound.
" I never said it proves anything. "
It was the very first piece of evidence you have for god in our debate.
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
noun: proof; plural noun: proofs
evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
Evidence and proof are synonymous.
"Miracles don't prove a thing. They are simply evidence, ..."
"People get told an incredible story (guy killed on cross, resurrected). Believeing it gets them killed. And yet in masses they convert. Ergo: evidence of something other happening that just an incredible story being told."
People are told smoking and vaping are bad for you and can kill you. Yet people start smoking for the first time every day. It's irrelevant.
"Did you really have that acquaintance? 😂"
Her name was Virgina.
"And no I never said I knew that God was real. Stop insulting me."
It's the whole basis of your relegious posts. Double think/double talk doesn't work on me, Mr. Orwell
"I never used these three flawed arguments. "
These are exactly the arguments you use. Spot on.
"And no I have no arguments for the existence of just any god. I only have arguments for evidence of the Christian God."
Semantics. More double talk.
You have no evidence for any god (including your Christian God) except for pointing at things you don't understand or pointing at other people who believe or pointing to your own belief.
-"There is no evidence God exsists"
="Oh yeah? Let me point at what appears to be a highly complex thing that we didn't figure out yet! That proves it because God understands it!"
-"That just prove we don't understand it yet. Like a solar eclipse, we used to think that was a sign from God. But now we understand it and know it's not a sign of God."
="Oh yeah? Well I know God is real because Miracles prove it!"
-"No, miracles prove we don't know what caused an event. It doesn't prove any god was behind it"
="Oh yeah? Well I KNOW God is real because I have faith in Him, Trust what my fellow religious peers taught me, and can feel He is real!"
I had an acquaintance once that had complete faith they could fly, devoutly trusted they would float, and knew they could because they could feel the power to fly surging through them.
They needed to pressure wash the blood off of the sidewalk after they got done shoveling up the pieces of my acquaintance.
But that's basically the basis of all of your arguments, @pe7erpark3r .
1- you know God is real because there are things you don't understand.
2- you know God is real because you see miracles (events you don't understand)
3- you know God is real because you feel/have faith/trust he is real.
Can you place ANY arguement In favor for the exsistence of any god without these three flawed arguments?
@petrapark3r said in petrapark3r and ScruffyMutt debate God's existance:
If there really were no miracles happening, then that would invalidate my faith. My faith would be irrational, if I continued to believe in a God who acts, once presented with clear evidence that He never does. So I do expect miracles to happen.
This is the root of why you believe.
You believe miracles - not simply things that have not been explained yet or unlikely odds occuring but actual miracles from god- because with no miracles then there would be no "evidence of God".
These "Miracles" are actually just the desperate need by other fellow people whom need a "sign of God's exsistence". These "Miracles" are also the "Rational Proof" the believers use to reinforce their own confidence in their rationality.
The universe is over 93 BILLION light years across with over 200 Billion galaxies each containing an average of 100 Billion stars for an estimated
1,000,000,000,000,000,000 star systems. Just our planet has about 7,500,000,000 people.
Yet for some reason, despite all the cosmic collisions, car crashes, unsolved murders, global warming, crazy politicians, viral outbreaks, super novas, American idol, North Korean people starving, Russian power grabbing, child rapes, kidnappings, upset stomachs, wrong way freeway drivers, police brutalities, credit card hacks, world's being sucked onto black holes, China rounding up Chinese Muslims into concentration camps, imigrant children being separated from their parents, Mexican Cartel mafia killings, Rwanda genocide, and so on....
Despite all of this, these "Rational Believers" have faith that they are part of a master plan by a loving and forgiving supreme being that takes special interest in their lives because because they are somehow so important. The alternative terrifies them.
And all of this will roll off the believers' shoulders as they find a new way to rationalize it into fitting their chosen narrative.
This was never a rational debate, Mr./Ms. Parker, because a rational debate requires "rational" thinking, not "rationalized" thinking.
So I end my side of the debate with a consideration about how significant any individual is no matter how devout:
(You likely only skim my posts anyway)
And, Ave you looked at that "Spring" that she dug up "Behind the Pigs Pen""? It's a river at the foot of a cliff. So this nonsense about "digging for a spring" isn't even a spring. And no one could of built there in the 1800's because every rain would of sent water running down the cliffside flooding buildings.
You can not verify an unexplained healing unless the test subject was tested and studied during, before, and after the event.
IF a miraculous healing occured after visiting the spring it could be because there was a mosquito bite on the individual by the Jalo Julie fly, an undiscovered insect whose bite cures cancer.
This is why scientific experiments are conducted in "Controlled Environments" to remove unaccounted for variables. The individuals running The Lourdes Medical Beureau are NOT impartial observers and researchers. They benefit every time they declare a "Miracle" occured.
And who says the Virgin Mary appeared to this girl/woman to dig up this spring? The girl/woman herself which probably also saw Princess Diana in line at the motor vehicle department? Or maybe she smoked too much peyote? Why do you so redibly believe these weird people that claim they personally saw a god but have yet to get his phone number?
If I say "I saw god on the bus. Wearing a pink fedora." you would think me a nutcase. If you DIDN'T think I were a nutcase then you'd be one too. How is this cult of Lourdes any different?