Do you believe the death penalty is fair?



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  • @thestrangest in your previeus post you said locking people up forever was techicaly a death penalty.


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    @jacob55 said in Do you believe the death penalty is fair?:

    I support the death penalty. If someone takes time to plan to kill someone else then the killer is too dangerous to keep alive. The only alternative I can think of is offer this person a job as an assassin and send them off to another country and reek havoc, but that seems like more senseless killing. So I stick with my original point, yes I support the ending of the life of a dangerous killer.

    I'd just copy paste my original argument but I'd like to just point out that it's kind of like the possibility of keeping the people alive, in jail, without killing them, just flew over your head. Ok here is my previous explanation for why the death penalty is inhumane:

    @thestrangest said in Do you believe the death penalty is fair?:

    @thestrangest said in Do you believe the death penalty is fair?:

    @layla I believe the death penalty is inhumane

    That is a video on the perspectives on the topic

    I'll quote someone then continue

    "From a determinist perspective, consequentialism is a logically preferable theory. Any form of retributivism relies on the concept of free will, because if a person had no choice not to perform an action then they can't really be held accountable, and therefore do not deserve any punishment. So I would argue that we have to adopt a consequentialist stance if we are to implement a system of punishment because the justifications of encouraging rehabilitation and deterring future crimes withstand negation of the idea that the criminal is to blame." Therefore the death penalty doesn't make sense, you can prevent any further crime of being committed by a certain murderer without killing him, just keep him in prison and then if he is deemed rehabilitated then let him go. It's that simple, any other actions would be immoral, it is causing unnecessary suffering and causing unnecessary suffering IS the definition of evil to a secularist, it is inhumane.



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  • @layla No. Capital punishment procedures are often even costlier than the life sentence, convicts often sit on death row for years, if not decades and there is no statistical evidence that the death penalty decreases crime rates. I suggest a less punitive approach in favor of a utilitarian one. Life imprisonment with humane and decent living conditions. The Nordic coundries are doing it and it's working wonders. Sure, you have people whom are dangerous for society and oughta be removed from the general population, but going through all the bureaucratic trouble to put a criminal to death or to give him harsh living conditions as retribution is just petty. It will never make up for what has been done. Nothing ever will.



  • It depends on many things. Their crime, their mental state, their country's eco-political conditions, and many such things.

    Non-capital Punishments can be more torturous in some cases. Some people spend years in Isolation, which imo is more torturous that giving them a swift and peaceful end. It would also be worse in their mental state. Some people would want to a swift end and that's the reason the prison suicide rates are high and rising (Btw a large percentage of them happen after some sort of mental health service).

    To put it shortly, Capital punishment is something very hard to justify but still, many view it as some sort of necessity so it's hard to remove it outright in many places. Their justification and necessity would also depend on one's morality too (Just throwing that out).


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    @sammy i came to TWS after a 2 week hiatus just to tell you that your thought was stupid and now I'm leaving again



  • @layla its fair bcoz they also had given trouble to other people so they deserve same death penalty for themselves


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    @meyouandsomemore I think let criminals think about themselves before commiting any crime...
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    @layla I believe the death penalty is inhumane


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    @thestrangest said in Do you believe the death penalty is fair?:

    @layla I believe the death penalty is inhumane

    That is a video on the perspectives on the topic

    I'll quote someone then continue

    "From a determinist perspective, consequentialism is a logically preferable theory. Any form of retributivism relies on the concept of free will, because if a person had no choice not to perform an action then they can't really be held accountable, and therefore do not deserve any punishment. So I would argue that we have to adopt a consequentialist stance if we are to implement a system of punishment because the justifications of encouraging rehabilitation and deterring future crimes withstand negation of the idea that the criminal is to blame." Therefore the death penalty doesn't make sense, you can prevent any further crime of being committed by a certain murderer without killing him, just keep him in prison and then if he is deemed rehabilitated then let him go. It's that simple, any other actions would be immoral, it is causing unnecessary suffering and causing unnecessary suffering IS the definition of evil to a secularist, it is inhumane.



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  • @thestrangest yhea but there are also people who are so broken that they can just never be fixed. what would you do then if you let them go they will do it again and youre back where you started. if you put them in a psyke wark its basicly a death penalty then.



  • @thestrangest o i am sorry i did not mean starve to death. there are poelple that see that as a death penalty locking somoine up till they die i dont realy think it is.


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    @jacob55 said in Do you believe the death penalty is fair?:

    @thestrangest So in essence, there is no true justice?

    there is no objective morality nor justice therefore it depends on what you base your justice system on, i explained why it should be consequentialist and in a determinist consequentialist world view what i said is totally fine



  • I think some criminals who do major crimes should have the ultimate penalty which is death for the sake of social peace



  • @layla
    Yes its fine. However i had this thought, idk how right it looks.
    Criminals comitting small crimes should be given death penalty ( so that he doesn't become a big criminal )
    And criminals committing big crimes should be made to suffer.
    Idk just a thought*



  • If anybody did rape, then the death penalty is fair 100%


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    @jensens said in Do you believe the death penalty is fair?:

    I think its too humane. If somone lets say goes to a kindergaren rapes all the kids and then drowns them. We shouldnt even kill hin considering he was in his right mind and knew what he was doing.

    I disagree, if someone did that and then people found out that he did those things because he had a brain tumour that made him go crazy people wouldn't get mad at him but instead just hope that he gets better in the mental asylum where he was put to not harm other people, why? Because his actions were clearly caused by the tumour and he didn't chose to have that. But how is that any different from his actions being predetermined by his genetics, environment and upbringing(which all people's actions are)? Him not having chosen those either the reaction should be the same, put him in prison so he doesn't harm anyone then hope he gets rehabilitated

    I would lock that fcker up alone till he dies you could consider that a death penalty or not.

    Technically it is, now you have to realise that you are adding unnecessary suffering, to a person, who's actions were technically not just of his doing but a long chain of cause and effect. In my opinion just causing unnecessary suffering is immoral wouldn't you think?

    This would actualy stop poeple from doing it becouse most poelple who would do those thing dont realy want to live probably.

    I'm sure there are better to discourage people who are planning on doing such things than needlessly killing someone, therapy would be good, euthanasia can become legal and for people who don't want to live that can become an option only allowed to them if their psychological conditions(that cause them to suffer) were proven to be permanent...


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    @jensens said in Do you believe the death penalty is fair?:

    @thestrangest yhea but there are also people who are so broken that they can just never be fixed.

    So you kill them? Why not kill all mentally ill people in asylums who are staying there forever having their families come visit them once a month?

    what would you do then if you let them go they will do it again and youre back where you started

    That's why there is something called.... the life sentence for people who are deemed unfit for rehabilitation

    if you put them in a psychiatric ward its basicly a death penalty then.

    No it's a life sentence, you aren't shortening their life span






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