• How are those numbers computed? If I'm not completely mistaken, heterosexual relationships in the western world were close to 100% (for women that is at least) minus a few priests and nuns...

    I didn't know that, but I was talking mostly about america and mostly liberal countries, whose reflect better the tendency when people are leaded by freedom (not entirely, but partially, ofc). And no, I did no research at all, this could just be a reflection of my own opinions :)


  • @davitchen said in Are men failing? Why?:

    for a woman to feel safe with a man, he must be firm like a rock in the ocean of her emotions. Kind of a beautiful image, don't you think?

    That comparison sounds so suggest that a man has to be not only firm and secure, but comprehend the partner's emotions. Sounds beautiful and hard to work on, because that's a hell of a work. Thus, that is indeed beautiful.

    A woman's emotions are incomprehensible lol :joy: . Nah, just don't let them kick you off your own path, that's all. Don't try hard or be sorry when she gets emotional and don't try pleasing her or her emotions. Just love her. And be confident about it.


  • @petrapark3r Yeah, experience told me not to try to understand everything... Not only it is impossible, but also because women don't like to be told what to feel, or how to feel (actually no one likes that). Good point thumbs up


  • Most men aren't failing. I think that's projecting a little bit; we just want to feel like we're secure - and a lot of men have this nasty habit of not communicating their thoughts, feelings, or needs... and that will kill a relationship faster than anything. Also, as far as I go, real respect goes a long way, a lot of us are pretty good at spotting disingenuous.


  • @Neeko said in Are men failing? Why?:

    and a lot of men have this nasty habit of not communicating their thoughts, feelings, or needs...

    I've had problems in some relationships for doing that, I guess that everyone is different tho, so it's normal you might like that while others not so much :shrug:


  • @davitchen said in Are men failing? Why?:

    How are those numbers computed? If I'm not completely mistaken, heterosexual relationships in the western world were close to 100% (for women that is at least) minus a few priests and nuns...

    I didn't know that, but I was talking mostly about america and mostly liberal countries, whose reflect better the tendency when people are leaded by freedom (not entirely, but partially, ofc). And no, I did no research at all, this could just be a reflection of my own opinions :)

    Lol, I meant the numbers from @What-is-this's reply :joy:


  • @Lurker Too much neediness can be hard to deal with as well... I like some kind of happy medium where we can both live our lives separately, while coming together and enjoying the time we have with each other. Co-dependency can lead to all kinds of difficulties and frustration.


  • @OliveOlivia Wow! Nice one. Really nice. But tell me. why do you consider "marrying the first woman who shows a man kindness and understanding" a sign of "vulnerability"?


  • @Neeko said in Are men failing? Why?:

    and a lot of men have this nasty habit of not communicating their thoughts, feelings, or needs... and that will kill a relationship faster than anything.

    I know what kills a relationship even faster.
    --> Lies

    Real respect goes a long way, a lot of us are pretty good at spotting disingenuous.

    Indeed. How's Kali these days? Not 2 hot? 😏


  • @E-Cool I don't think marrying them immediately is vulnerable, I think they do that because they are vulnerable. They crave that need and support, its something I've experienced first hand with many men. Guys get a bad reputation for being emotionless and closed off, but if you just take the time a lot of them will open up and show just how sensitive they really are.


  • yes failing


  • @TheRisingSun

    Distrust as well.


  • @davitchen
    [1] Maybe this also depends on the location/region. In places where homosexuality is not allowed (i.e., the muslim communities), you won't see this girl-girl relationship.
    [2] Those who came from a serious break-up, sometimes, have tendencies to love those of the same sex (i.e., due to distrust, etc, etc.).
    [3] Booming gay population and environmental influence.


  • @Leoweirdo said in Are men failing? Why?:

    @davitchen
    [1] Maybe this also depends on the location/region. In places where homosexuality is not allowed (i.e., the muslim communities), you won't see this girl-girl relationship.

    Absolutely true. This supports the argument that the actual change is simply the acceptence by society.

    [2] Those who came from a serious break-up, sometimes, have tendencies to love those of the same sex (i.e., due to distrust, etc, etc.).

    For girls it is often the (bad) relationship to the father that makes them distrust men. For boys in turn it's a bad relationship with the mother, sometimes a too close relationship. But often there are no visible reasons at all. I mean even 5% of all sheep are gay, and it prolly has nothing to do with the bad relationship to the parents or a bad breakup :joy:

    [3] Booming gay population and environmental influence.

    To be completely honest, I don't really think there is a boom. I don't think more and more people are turning gay. Those who are that way feel more free to announce it publically that's all.

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