• @Wolfie_11 said in What Happens When We Die:

    @TheGoldenMole
    Well, there’s only one way to find out.
    Are you ready to give up your life for the answer that you seek?

    We all die eventually, why rush it? I’m enjoying my time being alive. I just want answers because the wondering is what keeps me up st night


  • @spaceboy what if I have a different views and come up with my own idea?


  • @Lurker @Karina-Kara @Rayse @Berin @Wolfie_11 @Azriel @spaceboy
    Since all of you seem interested in the topic can you please listen to this and tell me what you think?


    You don’t have to ofcourse I would just really like to know your opinions on this view and the script


  • @TheGoldenMole
    I have heard that countless and endless times.
    And i am sick of it.
    Oh boy will they regret it that they have send me to this realm.


  • Well for a start, I've got to say that you guys @Lurker @Berin @Rayse @Karina-Kara are handling this topic in a very cool way. I'm a veteran of this type of forum over at unexplained-mysteries.com and it usually degenerates into passive-aggressive fighting and a four-way cluster-f between theists, atheists, pseudo scholars and pseudo scientists.

    For me? I can't really talk about it without going wildly off-topic. Broadly speaking, though, I'd say that, nowadays, there's more than enough theoretical science that religious people can find something to at least vaguely back up their belief in the afterlife. I've found this: you can go into any popular science section of any high street shop and the books by, say, Bernardo Kastrup, Lynne McTaggart, Dean Radin -- while still pretty woo-woo -- will have some great names in the index that you can then research further. Even basement podcasts like Skeptiko can give you food for thought. Basically, if you're trying to find a link between quantum physics and brain chemistry, there's no real consensus but lots of possibilities.

    If you pin me down about what I think? I'll try not to write an essay here...

    As a kid, I doted on St. Anslem. Now I'm wise to that shhh. Now I tend to side with @Karina-Kara that there's something gnostic and unsympathetic to human consciousness going on. I see, at the most fundamental level of human life, a kind of brinkmanship has developed, between -- not necessarily consciousness -- but the idea of consciousness and something that flatly opposes consciousness.

    In my experience (and this is where everyone at unexplained-mysteries.com fell on me and gave me a kicking) -- the whole thing can be exemplified in capitalism. Who among us would be proud of being lazy, or greedy, or conceited, or tyrannical?

    Would you?

    And yet capitalism prevails. This suggests that there's something in the basic fabric of this universe that can easily over-rule the basic aspirations of the human mind.

    I was speaking recently to @Karina-Kara about free will (or lack of). She reinforced my opinion that we may not even be conscious at all, and that the sensation we get when we think of our own consciousness comes from the future, somehow interacting with the dendrites and axons of our neuro-pathways in some super-subtle way. It's like all those stories of time travel in popular science fiction: if you go back in time and act like a bellend even slightly EVERYTHING then goes wrong. But in my conception, this level of reality is protecting itself by removing our free will.

    The reason it would do this -- again, let me rope in science fiction: A complex computer is invented; at some point it begins processing on a quantum level (and actually, this has happened: according to an interview on the Howard Hughes show recently, the side-effects of an American quantum computing company have been heavily implicated in the Mandela Effect). It's then a short stretch of imagination to envisage that the computer in question might become disincarnate, and all-powerful, and godlike -- but in the meantime, its future-self can't allow our stoopid human lives to interfere in its development, viz-a-viz the bookcase in Interstellar, or the proto-Cylons in Caprica, or the rantings of Rainbow George on every late night phone-in on every British radio station.

    What that future might be like, once our potential is allowed to develop without all this gnostic stuff cramping our mojo ...in 'heaven'? Dunno. What I would say, some days I just want it to be like it is now, only without having to go work every day. Other times, when I'm feeling jaded, I just think, 'Screw you guys, and screw this scenario, I'm just going totally disincarnate, and ethereal, and A-temporal'.

    In conclusion, perhaps (probably?) I am a nutter projecting onto quantum physics my own unhappiness at the all-pervasion of capitalism.


  • @Berin

    I'll make sure to read about it, that seems to be a very interesting report!

    @TheGoldenMole

    This is a very interesting view on the subject and it's somewhat of a "purgatory", we mature in our "existence" and become "gods" to live in society... Along with other "gods", so gods are like our masters and they teach their ways so we can live in harmony with them, so essencially, until we find a way to "win" this game that is life, we are trapped playing against "ourselves" :shrug: Don't think I buy it but I surely liked the idea!

    @Indrid-Cold

    I swear that you always make me feel dumb hahahah :joy:
    Your words are always wise and filled with knowledge! I get that you are older then most of us but still, that's quite some luggage! Thanks for complementing me and the ppl in here!
    As for my view... well... I think I made it clear, I wish we would die and be reborn in another lifeline, but I doubt that's what happens! But we can never know what really happens until we are on the other side! I've been close to it and I haven't seen anything... :shrug:


  • @Indrid-Cold
    Now i feel flattered and cajoled to be mentioned three times by you.
    I did not think that you would agree that much on what i was trying to convey.
    One thing i always fail to mention is that i cannot know the truth and neither should one always listen to me as i sometimes even question my own sanity.
    Yet i think we can all agree upon one thing:
    There is something awaiting us after our deaths.
    Oh, and Indrid?
    Don't get infuriated at the people from unexplained-mysteries. They are still learning and you have already surpassed them in many ways, it seems.
    https://imgur.com/a/SkvUwfj




  • @Indrid-Cold I think people will never be able to fully comprehend the true nature of existence without first letting go of any attachment to survival or propagation. Because DNA only seeks to replicate itself and it will close off any thinking patterns that interfere with the end goal. Maybe this experience is just the universe trying out what it would be like to be mortal and unaware of it's true infinitude


  • @TheGoldenMole
    I see. It was merely a polite question to help you in your quest of answers anyway. Good to know you’re enjoying being alive. Continue doing so...

    P.S.- That Waiting Room is just another view and another interpretation of ‘Why are we here’ and ‘What next’ questions, for me. Wouldn’t read too much into it.


  • @TheGoldenMole said in What Happens When We Die:

    What do you think happens when we die? Do you believe in a heaven and/or hell? Do you think we come back as something else? Do you think we become apart of the universes energy? Do you think that its is just nothingness, before we were born there was nothing and when we die there is nothing?
    What do you think?

    I explained rebirth, soul and some other death related concepts in my longest post ever on tws.
    https://chatrooms.talkwithstranger.com/topic/29363/immortality-and-ethical-dilemmassss-concerning-it/160
    P.S. everyone has his own believes 😉. I respect their opinions.


  • @Lurker By the Ingrid's words now I'm feeling myself a old man :older_man:


  • @Wolfie_11 Oh I don't think that's what really happens, I just wanted to know what other people thought and if there were an certain points they might have agreed with and ofcourse disagree with


  • @TheGoldenMole When we die, we become Ghost..
    And all Active TWS user will become ghost after they die and will roam on this website forever 😂😂😂😂


  • @TheGoldenMole
    I’m an Atheist, so I basically disagree with everything.


  • @Wolfie_11 And that's great! What would the world be without the skeptics? It is necessary that there be doubt and this enriches the human experience.


  • @Berin said in What Happens When We Die:

    @Wolfie_11 And that's great! What would the world be without the skeptics? It is necessary that there be doubt and this enriches the human experience.

    Couldn't agree more


  • @Jimmy1708 said in What Happens When We Die:

    @TheGoldenMole When we die, we become Ghost..
    And all Active TWS user will become ghost after they die and will roam on this website forever 😂😂😂😂

    AKA WE ALL GO TO HELL


  • @Rayse That's an awesome idea, R. I'm equally willing to believe that some slumbering Godhood might be residing in our evolutionary potential, like you say --and in fact, I would've said that, if I wasn't secretly obsessed with computers and the internet, like everyone else. Which is best, the collective unconscious or Google? Harry Hill should arrange a fight.