hi people
A SECOND PROTEST LETTER
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@odin wow so basically you think I'd make a mistake? You basically mean I'm a mistake? Apparently you really didn't know who I was. I know y'alls stupid rules and I have followed them. You know people change. You need to keep up old man.
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@odin said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:
We will guide you, that my point of saying "we will work on that"
I hope that's the case. As we both said, I don't want the job but I never held any spite towards the website, just pointing out what we are lacking!
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@unmodded-nate said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:
@g-a you brought up some good points here. Call me an American but I believe in democracy. I believe that people should be an integral part of choosing leaders, because at the end of the day, the leaders actually work for the general public. Maybe it's my military background but selfless-service should be at the forefront of every leader's mind. If you do not serve the people, you are a tyrant and if you are a tyrant the people WILL rise against you.
I also believe that leaders should not quit. I am poor example of this standard but I stepped down in order to make a statement. In the American Revolution many leaders quit their post and join the ranks of the people in order to fight corruption and be free. This essentially is what I have done. And if my efforts are in vain, at least I can say I tried my best.
Regardless of everything, I came her to meet people and have fun. I remained a mod so that I could serve the people and I now stand amongst the users of TWS, where I have been all along.
YEEESSSS!!!!!!! AMEN!!
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@captain_rogers said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:
@odin wow so basically you think I'd make a mistake? You basically mean I'm a mistake? Apparently you really didn't know who I was. I know y'alls stupid rules and I have followed them. You know people change. You need to keep up old man.
Well nope. I think i made it clear how you handle things. And thats the point. I didnt mention that "you are mistake"
A wise king never seeks out war, but, he must always be ready for it.
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@mr-h said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:
@odin said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:
We will guide you, that my point of saying "we will work on that"
I hope that's the case. As we both said, I don't want the job but I never held any spite towards the website, just pointing out what we are lacking!
If you dont want it then sure, we will look after another user who can fit the position brother. If you want it then let us know, and we will.guide you.
A wise king never seeks out war, but, he must always be ready for it.
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@odin pretty much felt like it. And really? You think you know how I handle things but you truly have no damn idea how I handle things. All those posts and all that shit was in the past. As I said keep up.
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@odin said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:
@captain_rogers said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:
@odin I did that because I trusted you. And you snapped it right in half. All you ever did was lie. I'm sick of being taken for granted.
I didnt want to tell you that "you cant handle tough situations" right infront of you cuz i took you as my own little brother. You had been making topics over and over when some one pisses you off. Its hard to control emotions sometimes and that is the reason why i got hard time modding you. Not that i ddnt want to, but still i had a thought of you being a mod, everything, every mistake that mods do, is my mistake, and i am the one to be blamed and everything.
I don't understand this. You wanted to make a moderator knowing this person posts topics out of anger? Tell me again how this is NOT personal and biased?
Nothing against you @Captain_Rogers , it's just that I am finding major inconsistencies here and rather unprofessional conduct from a person who is supposed to be the leader and set an example of the guidelines and criteria for staff members.
If I am wrong or you see my views as being skewed, please elaborate and enlighten me. I'm open minded and always willing to listen and learn. @ODIN
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@odin said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:
If you dont want it then sure, we will look after another user who can fit the position brother. If you want it then let us know, and we will.guide you.
Thanks, yet again for the trust but I'm the kind of guy that needs to see in order to believe, so until things remain the same, i'll stay out of it, as the normal users I always been! ^^
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@odin I'm tired with all of this actually.. All of us are tired.. My suggestion would be, make an SOP/Manual/Policy so there would be reference and people won't question it or atleast maybe itll prevent something like this. And also consider the problem that users pointed out and make solutions. Listen to all of their suggestions too if its for the best. We just want better TWS. As I've told you, I feel uncomfortable or unsafe here.. Or rather there are things that's not right.
You told me the requirements of being a mod but even mods don't know those. Sad......
so I hope their would be an orientation or guide for mods.. Or maybe their would be assigned partners. For example, senior mod would be assigned to this new mod so that s/he will be guided. Of course other senior mods can guide the new mod too.
And on @Bela 's case.. Why did you not tell her from the start that you don't need a Moderator n her timezone? You could have said that so there's no need for her to apply at that time.
Lastly, you haven't replied my last question about users asking for permanent banning. I think there's this "secret" thing.
User: May I request to ban me permanently?
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@ODIN has not responded to us once. All we want is for things to be done the right way, according to the rules set for this site.
I get the feeling that we "users" are not worth his precious time when we are the ones who have the betterment and future of TWS at heart. But that still doesn't explain why he also ignores his very own moderators.
@ODIN I don't want you to feel like I am attacking you in any way. That's not my intent at all. But all I have seen from you is that you take things very personally and also make decisions based on your personal feelings. I mean, look at this. You are the center of this drama right now. This is a display of pettiness and clique like behavior in my opinion.
You recite the guidelines/criteria for moderators but that is not only redundant, but you are also contradicting those very guidelines by basing your actions on your personal feelings. This has spread a lot of negativity throughout this site, users and staff included.
@ODIN under your lead, look at everything that has happened. The terms that come to mind are tyranny, corruption, unmodding, pettiness, immaturity, cliques, biased, unfair, and the list goes on. This isn't just me saying this, this is what I have heard from users and moderators alike.
3-4 months ago, this site was fantastic! It was growing and blossoming at a very healthy rate. This site was functioning and running like a well oiled machine. What has happened? Look at the drama and division now. There are major damages that appear to be making this site weaken to the point of crumbling internally.
I want this site to be great like that again and continue to grow without all these uncontrolled variables in the governing and all this negativity. Something has to change.
Will you reply to me and these issues now @ODIN ? Or is this not worth your time and consideration? Don't you care about the decline in morale on this site?
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@morf well, he's now replying. I read some ππΌ. But that's because (most probably) @talkwithstranger asked him to.
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@spaceboy said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:
@morf I am some kind of junior here, but I am wonder how TWS looks like 3-4 months ago?
I first joined this site and was exclusively a global user (old global). Yes, just a global user among random people and spammers. I did not know of any negativity, especially to this scale. I was surprised to meet so many good hearted friends in there, it was rather drama free in my opinion. Later I got to meet moderators and even the admin at the time would visit us to ask how things were and get our feedback on site development. To say the least, things were very positive, friendly, and welcoming.
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@sunshinef said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:
@morf well, he's now replying. I read some ππΌ. But that's because (most probably) @talkwithstranger asked him to.
I don't want to point fingers at people, and you know for a fact I hate making people feel bad. You have seen how upset I get when I think I hurt someone's feelings. But @ODIN is not representing leadership qualities despite his pre-requisites. Why can't this damage be undone? Why can't there be resolution?
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@morf said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:
@spaceboy said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:
@morf I am some kind of junior here, but I am wonder how TWS looks like 3-4 months ago?
I first joined this site and was exclusively a global user (old global). Yes, just a global user among random people and spammers. I did not know of any negativity, especially to this scale. I was surprised to meet so many good hearted friends in there, it was rather drama free in my opinion. Later I got to meet moderators and even the admin at the time would visit us to ask how things were and get our feedback on site development. To say the least, things were very positive, friendly, and welcoming.
Oh yeah... I remember that!! We thought he was fake!! Lol.... Oh my... I miss those times.... Well, he listened to our suggestions.. That's why there's new global. :)
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@captain_rogers said in A SECOND PROTEST LETTER:
@odin wow so basically you think I'd make a mistake? You basically mean I'm a mistake? Apparently you really didn't know who I was. I know y'alls stupid rules and I have followed them. You know people change. You need to keep up old man.
Here is what I am going to say.
Boots, you need to leave this topic.
A few months back Ragnar did bring your name up when trying to choose a moderator. It was decided that you shouldnt because you were emotional and a bit dramatic (sounds like me lmao).
Yes, like you said, people change. But right now you are angry. And you are only proving his point of you being dramatic.For your own sake, quit answering. Becoming a moderator isnt worth screwing up you twoβs friendship.
If you really are changed?
Now is your chance to show itI promise Will- you wonβt ever be alone.
β-Be a snek in a world of bad.
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