Which is more important? Talent or hard work?.

[KΞK]

@veitak
they are both irrelevant, all you need is luck

[Veitak]

@kξk luck is probability. you don't take terrible chances when you're trying to publish a book.

[KΞK]

@veitak
books dont get you famous or give you money, its all about luck and what the genre of the year or the decade is the most bought

[Veitak]

@kξk not really. All genres of books are frequently bought, there's not too much of a mainstream thing in books. They get you famous and give you money if you make a great book, as many have done in the past.

[KΞK]

@veitak

1. Romance
2. Crime mystery
3. Religious
4. Science Fiction
5. Horror

[Veitak]

@kξk All bought very frequently if they're good books.

[KΞK]

@veitak
No, number 1 doubles number 2 in revenue in 2012

[KΞK]

@kξk
5. 79.6 Million
1 . 1440 Million (or) 1.44 Billion

[Veitak]

@kξk doesn't matter, you still get fame and fortune for making a good book. if you make a bad book in any genre, you get nothing close to what you get if you had talent or put hard work into it.

[KΞK]

@veitak
So let’s do some quick math here: Let’s say you get a $5,000 advance for your book and you get 10% royalties net profit, and the book’s list price is $25.00. That means you are making $1.25 per book, and that you will need to sell 4,000 copies of your book just to break even. Thus the averages say that you will never make a penny from royalties off sales of your book (earn out). The average US non-fiction book sells about 250 copies a year and around 3,000 copies over its lifetime.

[Veitak]

@kξk i'm referencing really good books that took a lot to make. Those books being the ones that you read for literature class. Those have given a lot of fame. anyways, books are irrelevant here I could have used a better example.

[KΞK]

@veitak
yeah that is a few percent
that get lucky
you prove my point
bye

[Veitak]

@kξk not luck, they made extremely good stories.

[davitchen]

I think talent is the most important, because the catalisor of hard working is to have talent. Otherwise, if you keep hard working on something that you don't have talent, you'll get frustrated on some point, because you try and try. But the innate talent isn't really there.

Let's see the things upside down:
If you have talent on something, you'll probably grab that talent and use it for your own satisfaction. It makes you happy to know you have some talent, so you want to develop it with hard-working. Unless you loosen up because you think you can make it.

[Sephiroth Almagnata]

talent or hard work ?

take it like that on the other basis.
Except for the limit of human body everything can become the same.

Genius permit the synthesis of data with little intell. (by data... well something you want to make or know)
This data then become knowledge that the brain set to 1.
Since the data is fixed genius don't need to be used on it anymore.

Talent is the same. If you train in something hard it can become a talent.
but i guess if you just use genius to do something you will lack some EXP points. And if you think because your talent is awesome you won't be surpassed, then you lost.

at the end of the day, destroying obstacles won't help you to improve it will just make you dull.

so if you got talent, don't forget to work hard too.
and if you got none, just do it thousand times over to compensate.

[swappy]

Well, hard work can beat talent. Along with talent if you have discipline it's a deadly combination. I have seen talented folk ruined there carrier, just because they didn't have dedication and hard work in life. At the other hand, I never considered myself talented, but, I have tenency to do hard work.

[Sephiroth Almagnata]

well for me i'm talented in useless things... it's deadly useless.
except for useless things , if i create something i remember it forever, and can do it again forever.

If i want to create a manga, once i create the pieces of characters, i would be able to draw them in a short amount of time... don't need to draw a storyboard i can jump on the real thing dirrectly.

And i'm good with photography..
but thing you don't realy need to train like that tend to be boring, and i don't do boring things.

[DejaVu2Mars]

@amaris it's not entirely like that. Me being someone with talent (no bullshit, I have no need to lie, i'm just gonna make my point), for example at school, I'm now in university, I never studied more than a hour or two to an exam and always passed school, not "A" grades because I also slept on some classes so I never caught all the matter of a subject. But still passed. Got some tests now at uni and also did well, actually got 20/20 on one, not even studying, just got there by logic and some "luck" (?). I have my girlfriend that studies a lot and has the same grades as me.

Honestly I think that smarter people tend to be more depressed, lonely, have social anxiety, things like that. Live in their own world sometimes, need to isolate, connect with someone on another dimension, live something to it's deep core, live it fully. For example a song, listen to the song and trip on it.

Apart from this, when you're talented you also tend to be lazy. Like I am. I am a lazy fuck and have no iniciative, so I'm kind of a stupid guy when it comes to that... If nobody gives me the way or at least pushes me to it I won't do it. It's so fucking stupid because I am losing on so much potential but yeah it's just like that. And about school, I will soon drop out probably because I find no joy in it too, I thought I would though. But no. Fml

[User_Name1]

@amaris In Academia, this happens a lot. However if you are gifted, then you will have an inherent opportunity when reaching boundaries .

[Aaron Chu]

Hard Work <3