Is god real? Your thoughts

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
My dad

[TheStrangest]

@love_to_love_ je so the reason why you believe is "my dad". What? Do you believe everything your dad believes?

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
Well It’s hard to explain i trust in god also so I part to him every night and my dad say that god has a plan for all
Of us and gods plan is working I think

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@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
Well It’s hard to explain i trust in god also so I part to him every night and my dad say that god has a plan for all

Pray*

You pray?

Of us and gods plan is working I think

It doesn't matter what you think. I want to know if you can give me good reasons for your belief

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
He has a plan

[cameron15m]

I wish to simply say that there are some certain theories about the existence of an omnipotent being that watches over us. Most of them some of you would have probably heard already. However, in my opinion i believe that there shouldn't be a god and if there is one then it is a sick fucker. If god is real then murder is okay as some could argue that since everything happens because of god's plan then when murder happens it;s fine as it's apart of god's plans. One of your most family member dies in a cruel, heartless way, don't be sad. God needed that person to die. That would also mean that Hitler was apart of god's plan. Here is what im trying to say; if god doesn't exist then the stuff we have done to ourselves and others; the reasons that we justified them by, is of our own doing. If a form of god exists(Not bias on any religion, you may believe what you want to believe) then every sin, every act of evil, murder, suicides are all part of his plan. I for one hope that god doesn't exist but if he/she/them/it (Again not bias) then i hope he/she/them/it has a good reason.

[Love_to_love_.]

@cameron15m
Sin isn’t apart of gods plan that’s the devil the devil is the one who kills any kind of good in your life.God uses all the bad things in your life and makes them into good things like for example: if your girlfriend died and you can’t get over the pain you bump into a pretty girl she helps you push through and you fall in love and maybe get married. That is god I bet you know the story of marry and baby Jesus. Marry had Jesus and he died on the cross so we could connect to him again. Baby Jesus was god in human flesh he wanted to go through all the pain that we went through because he loves us now that’s a good god. The devil on the other hand comes only when your at your worst or when life is bad. He used to be one of God’s angels and he thought he was better or more powerful than god and he turned into the devil also known as the father of lies or lord of lies. God has been though what you what we all have been through, he has suffered like we have, he has been tempted like we have. He know it all and for that I trust him. If god didn’t love us he wouldn’t have died for us. And that is why I love him and trust him.😊

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@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
He has a plan

Do you have any proof that he exists. I can assert the same thing about a flying spaghetti minster and it wouldn't demonstrate his existence as less or more true.

And if god has a plan for everyone then the concepts of prayer, hell and heaven become very stupid and illogical.

The person who prays is the one who logically should think that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also logically thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right by praying.

Prayer is wanting to change an omniscient god's plan by adding the knowledhe that you prayed to his already omniscient mind and then hopping that he changes your destiny.

And hell and heaven are as stupid. By your logic god created the world knowing every single choice kf every single life before they even existed, people have no free will because they only have 1 set of choices that they can make which is the set god knew before they were alive. But somehow god punishes with fire and suffering, rewards people with amazing flufy clouds and eternal bliss for having different life actions which were predetermined before they were born.

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@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@cameron15m
Sin isn’t apart of gods plan that’s the devil the devil is the one who kills any kind of good in your life.

Both don't exist but your argument is invalid because god can easily get rid of the devil

God uses all the bad things in your life and makes them into good things like for example: if your girlfriend died and you can’t get over the pain you bump into a pretty girl she helps you push through and you fall in love and maybe get married.

That's demonstrabely wrong.

There are about 9 million children under 5 that die every year. Picture an asian tsunami of the sort we saw in 2004 killing a quarter of a million every 10 days, all of them under 5. About 24 thousand children a day, about a thousand an hour and 17 or so a minute. These children were generally only born to suffer and die since they hadn't had much time as conscious beings before they suffered horrible deaths and died. Picture the parents of these children and that means that before you can get to the end of this comment a which will take about 2 min 34 children would have died in horrible terror and agony, think of the parents of these children which most likely believe in god and are praying this second for their children to be saved, their prayers will not be answered. Any god who would allow children by the millions to die and saffer this way, for their parents to grieve this way either can do nothing to help them or doesn't care to, he is therefore either impotent" I'm just gonna add something to this. Worse than that most of these parents, many of these parents will be going to hell because they're praying to the wrong god. Just think about that. Through no fault of their own they were born in the wrong culture, where they got the wrong theology and they missed the revelation.ok there are 1.2 billion people in india at this moment, most of them are hindus, most of them therefore polytheists. No matter how good these people are, they are doomed. If you were praying to the monkey god hanoman you are doomed. You'll be tortured in hell for eternity. Now is there the slightest evidence for this? NO, it just says so in Mark 9, Matthew 13 and revelation 14. Perhaps you'll remember from the lord of the rings ot says that when the elves die they go to valanore so that they can be reborn in middle earth, i say that as a point of comparison. So god created the world knowing everything, he created the cultural isolation of the hibdus, he engineered the circumstances of their deaths in ignorance of revelation and then he created the penalty for this ignorance which is an eternity of consciousness torment in fire. On the other hand your run if the mill serial killer in America who spent his life raping and torturing children need only come to jesus on death row and after a final meal of fried chicken he's going to spend an eternity in heaven. If anything is clear here is that this is nothing but an immoral system

That is god I bet you know the story of marry and baby Jesus.

For goodness sake. You believe in VIRGIN BIRTH. WTF is wrong with you, we're in 2017 and you believe that a woman can get pregnant with a boy without having sex, you defenetly missed sex ed in school.

Marry had Jesus and he died on the cross so we could connect to him again.

Again. There is no historical proof that jesus even existed. You could say the same about harry potter and it would appear just as true

Baby Jesus was god in human flesh he wanted to go through all the pain that we went through because he loves us now that’s a good god.

"Harry potter got saved by his mom and she died to let him survive and kill voldimorte, now that's an amazing mom." She also died to save us from pain, both statements are equal. By the way "He loves". I'll just quote a wise man for this.

"When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!"-George Carlin

The devil on the other hand comes only when your at your worst or when life is bad.
He used to be one of God’s angels and he thought he was better or more powerful than god and he turned into the devil also known as the father of lies or lord of lies.

WRONG. Lord of the flies, not lord of lies. Beelzebub means lord of the flies not lord of lies. Anyways, do i really have to repeat this, the same can be said about voldimort

"Voldimort on the other hand comes only when your at your worst or when life is bad.
He used to be one of Hoggwarts best students named Tom Elvis Jedusor and he thought he was better or more powerful than Hoggwarts and he turned into Voldimort also known as the one who's name shall not be spoken."

Anyways god can just get rid of the devil so your point that if god exists evil is not caused by god but by the devil is invalid.

God has been though what you what we all have been through

HARRY POTTER too. Stop talking about god as if we think he's realer than harry potter, we don't.

he has suffered like we have.

I'll cover this with a quote in a sec

he has been tempted like we have.

Who cares. There is not any proof that he even existed this is getting boring

He know it all and for that I trust him.

You don't have any good reason to believe he exists, end of story. And the idea that he is omniscient means that praying is pointless since if he always knew that he was gonna pray or not pray and had a plan for you wtf is the point of you praying? Changing his plan? What kind of omniscient god creates a plan that has to be changed because of things he always knew were gonna happen. It sounds stupid

If god didn’t love us he wouldn’t have died for us. And that is why I love him and trust him.😊

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
U have a point about the whole merry thing I don’t understand why that happened and no I didn’t miss the sex thing is school I knew what sex was in first grade. It’s a religion we believe in crazy things like a book that’s just part of what we do. To us it’s normal just like you not believing in god is normal for you. That’s just what we do and right now that’s all the proof I have of why I believe in god. You think what you want and I do the same. 🙂

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@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

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U have a point about the whole merry thing I don’t understand why that happened and no I didn’t miss the sex thing is school I knew what sex was in first grade. It’s a religion we believe in crazy things like a book that’s just part of what we do.

1st you admit that you have no proof or good reason to believe what you do
2nd you admit that part of religion is believing crazy things that go against science and are by definition impossible

What's next. You don't sound like a good debater

To us it’s normal just like you not believing in god is normal for you.

Believing in virgin birth is never normal. You should have learned in sex ed that virgin birth of a boy is impossible

That’s just what we do and right now that’s all the proof I have of why I believe in god.

All the proof? You provided 0 proof. What are you talking about. I think you need to know the definition of proof:

"evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth."

You think what you want and I do the same. 🙂

Ok. I'll stick with science and reason and you stick to faith (belief without evidence/good reason)

Just wanted to say that scientific research has shown that a believer on average has an IQ 7 points lower than a non-believer. 1 thing that could be a reason is the lack of critical reasoning in a believers brain caused by faith (belief without evidence/good reason, usually accompanied by discouragement of critical reasoning/Criticism)

So what you believe is literally harming you but k

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
How come you have to snapshot everything 😂 and ok i mean I was trying to be nice about everything 😂 u people are funny you take a conversation so seriously 😂 I have one question though what made you believe what you believe. I told you what made me believe what I believed and you making it a big deal.😂🤣 why do you feel the extensive need for proof. 😂

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
Because you were questioning me. I have some questions for you.1.) Have you ever asked yourself what if you were wrong and what if there was a heaven and hell. 2.) what happens if you die and what proof of belief do you have. 3.) conclusion and last but not least if a human is just a process of random Chemical process over millions of years then how a nonbeliever be so sure there atheism properly represents reality.

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@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

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How come you have to snapshot everything 😂 and ok i mean I was trying to be nice about everything 😂 u people are funny you take a conversation so seriously 😂

I have one question though what made you believe what you believe.

Atheism is a disbelief not a belief, sigh.

I told you what made me believe what I believed and you making it a big deal.

As far as i understood the only reason you believe is that your dad indoctrinated(mindwashed) you.

😂🤣 why do you feel the extensive need for proof. 😂

Because a rational and educated person believes things only for good reasons. A good reason or to an extent one of the only good reasons is to believe things on evidence. Faith is bullshit and no reasonable person would ever believe anything on faith.

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@love_to_love_ Since faith leads you randomly true and false things randomly and with incredible inaccuracy then here's my question. Is faith a reliable pathway to truth? No. So faith is useless and pointless. Why would anyone use faith to believe something is true since faith isn't a reliable pathway to truth

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
So you believe that nobody plus nothing equals everything. 😂
Are you absolutely sure there is not god? Just because you can’t see something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You can’t see atoms but we all know it exist it’s the same thing with god. In the light of the Big Bang that scientists think what mad the universe. Is it reasonable to believe that no one created something out of nothing or someone like cod created something out of nothing.

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@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

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Because you were questioning me. I have some questions for you.

Sure

1.) Have you ever asked yourself what if you were wrong and what if there was a heaven and hell.

What if i'm wrong? sigh

This is a shorter way to say "what about pascal's wager". If you don't remember whar pascal's wager is, it basically says

A.Atheism
1.if you don't believe and you are right you lose nothing
2.if you don't believe and you are wrong then you'll burn in hell forever
B.Belief
3.if you do believe and you gain a heaven
4.f you do believe and you are wrong you lose nothing

Here you can clearly say that believing is better than disbelieving but the 1st error in this argument is that it assumes that a person chooses what they believe which for anyone after a half second of thought is clearly bullshit.

i didn't chose to be an atheist it happened because i say no sufficient evidence behind the religious claims, if there was evidence i would believe and of course faith is not a reliable pathway to truth since it can lead you to true and wrong conclusions with incredible inaccuracy so using it is useless.

2nd error in this argument is that it's like "Oh, either non-belief can be correct, there clearly is no other option" and any thinking brain can understand why it is bullshit. You can be wrong about

(MYTHOLOGY|Corresponding hell like thingy)
Albanian mythology Ferri
Aztec mythology Mictlan
Babylonian mythology Irkalla
Buddhist mythology Naraka (also Niraya)
Celtic mythology Annwn, Mag Mell
Chinese mythology / taoism Diyu 地獄
Egyptian mythology Aaru, Duat, Neter-khertet, Amenti
Estonian mythology Toonela
Fijian mythology see Melanesian mythology
Finnish mythology Tuonela
Georgian mythology Kveskneli
Germanic Hel, Niflheim
Greek mythology
Main article: Greek underworld
Elysium, Asphodel Meadows, Tártaros
Guanche mythology
Echeide, Guayota

Hindu mythology Naraka or Yamaloka, Patala
Hittite mythology Dankuš daganzipaš (dark earth)
Hopi mythology Maski
Hungarian mythology Alvilág
Inca mythology Uku Pacha
Inuit mythology Adlivun
Islamic mythology Jahannam, Naar, Barzakh, Araf
Jain mythology Naraka, Adho Loka (the lower world)
Japanese mythology/Shinto Yomi 黄泉, Ne-no-Kuni 根の国, Jigoku 地獄
Jewish/Hebrew mythology Sheol, Gehenna, Abaddon, Azazel, Tehom, Tophet, Tzoah Rotachat, Dudael
Korean mythology "Ji-Ok" 지옥 地獄
Latvian mythology Aizsaule
Malay mythology Alam Ghaib (The unseen realm)
Indonesian mythology
Māori mythology Hawaiki, Rarohenga
Mapuche mythology Pellumawida, Degin, Wenuleufu, Ngullchenmaiwe
Maya mythology Metnal, Xibalba
Melanesian mythology (includes Fijian) Bulu, Burotu, Murimuria, Nabagatai, Tuma
Norse mythology Gimlé, Hel, Niflhel, Vingólf
Oromo mythology Ekera
Persian mythology Duzakh
Philippine mythology Kasanaan
Polynesian mythology Avaiki, Bulotu, Iva, Lua-o-Milu, Nga- Atua, Pulotu, Rangi Tuarea, Te Toi-o-nga-Ranga, Uranga-o-Te-Ra
Pueblo mythology Shipap
Roman mythology Inferno, Avernus
Romanian mythology Tărâmul Celălalt
Slavic mythology Nav, Podsvetie, Peklo, Vyraj
Sumerian mythology Dilmun, Kur, Irkalla, Hubur
Turko-Mongol Erlik
Vodou mythology Guinee
Wagawaga (New Guinea) mythology Hiyoyoa
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And of course non-of these incliding your 'hell' are scientifically backed up so the chance of their existence is miniscule and the chance that all of them including yours are wrong is huge so disbelief would safe but even if it wasn't safe a dis-belief can't be wrong even if the thing you don't believe in is true aslong as there is no evidence for the thing you disbelieve in.
So you have to see that saying "What if you're wrong" is a very very overused useless argument

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@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
2.) what happens if you die and what proof of belief do you have.

I don't know what happens after a person dies and you don't either but as far as we know you are/ your consciousness is most likely just neurons that will stop working together after you die therefore you A.K.A. your consciousness will be gone after you die just like it never existed before you were born.

3.) conclusion and last but not least if a human is just a process of random Chemical process over millions of years then how a nonbeliever be so sure there atheism properly represents reality.

The stupidist thing i ever heard in my life. Atheism is not a belief system, it is not a world view, it is a lack of belief in a god and only that. If your question is, how can i be sure that gid doesn't exist? My answer is that you can never be absolutely certain of anything so i can't know for sure. Infact i do not KNOW if god exists or not but neither do i know if unicorns exist or not but since there is 0 good reasons to believe that they do i do not believe they do. Most atheidts are agnostic atheists like me which means atheists that do not KNOW if god exists or not (Agnostic, which is the opposite of gnostic meaning a person who knows) but still disbelieve in god (Atheist which is the lack of theism which means the belief in god)

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@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

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So you believe that nobody plus nothing equals everything. 😂

Look at my profile pic. That's me 100% of the time whilst reading what you say. Where do you believe god came from? Oh right, nowhere. So you believe that something that came from nothing created everything. Sigh

On the other hand i do not know where everything came from but as physics shows it is physically possible for the whole universe to originate from nothing and there are many scientific books on the topic like "A universe from nothing" by Quantum Physicist lawrence Krauss, i do not know where the universe came from but as far as science has shown god comes as far as you can get to the last place of the possible origins of the universe.

Are you absolutely sure there is not god?

No just like i am not absolutely sure unicorns d't exist

Just because you can’t see something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Of course. I never said i don't believe in god because i can't see him. I said i don't believe in god because there is no good evidence to believe that he exists which can come in many many forms not just being able to see thingq, infact being able to see something isn't evidence that it exists, you have to repeatedly prove that no matter where, how, what, who you are you can always see the thing and repeat that a couple hundred to thousand times to make it actual scientific evidence.

You can’t see atoms but we all know it exist it’s the same thing with god.

No it is not. I'll repeat myself.

infact being able to see something isn't evidence that it exists, you have to repeatedly prove that no matter where, how, what, who you are you can always test the existence of the thing, recieve positive results and repeat that a couple hundred to thousand times to make it actual scientific evidence. There is that for atoms but not god.

In the light of the Big Bang that scientists think what mad the universe.

you have to repeatedly prove that no matter where, how, what, who you are you can always test the existence/remains that can be traced back to the existence of the thing, recieve positive results and repeat that a couple hundred to thousand times to make it actual scientific evidence. We know the big bang happened and how it happened by a complex tracing back of radiation and a srudy of the movement of the universe. Do we know what/if there was the thing (s) before the big bang but that doesn’t mean that you know, it means that for now, noone knows.

Is it reasonable to believe that no one created something out of nothing or someone like god created something out of nothing.

I'll just copy/paste what i already said with some edits

Where do you believe god came from? Oh right, nowhere. So you believe that something that came from nothing created everything. Sigh

On the other hand we might never know where the universe came from but in that case we are still not justified in believing made up things on faith but we should be at peace with our ignorance and limitations and even if we can't be at peace with our ignorance that still doesn’t give you the right to believe made up things on faith, for now we do not know where everything came from but as physics shows it is physically possible for the whole universe to originate from nothing and there are many scientific books on the topic like "A universe from nothing" by Quantum Physicist lawrence Krauss, i do not know where the universe came from but as far as science has shown god comes as far as you can get to the last place on the ranking of the possible origins of the universe.

[FWBandy]

No I don't but if you asked me if what happened to Jesus happened then yes I do but I don't beleave in "life after death" once ya dead ya dead simple as that