so if i watch somone drown and dosent help the person that is drowning, did i commit murder?

[alkal33]

i always kind of wonderd that qustion for myself

[Karina Kara]

@Rayse
Bummer.
Now every firefighter and paramedic needs to overthink their actions twice before saving somebody.
What if they accidentally save a suicidal person? What will they say to the judge in their defence?
Oh the horror!

[Vanessa Snow]

@wojta crime by negligence.

[Karina Kara]

Depends if you are even able to help them in the first place.
If they are, say, in icy water inside a frozen lake then you should not help them if you could also fall into the water (and drown with them together).

[taropudding]

You did not commit a murder. But what you're doing is the same as watching someone getting bullied without doing anything. You will always have choices. It's either helping them by calling help or ignoring them, letting any other good outcomes go

[Karina Kara]

@Rayse
True that. I never understood why the government wants to stop you if you want to leave once and for all.
Guess they don't want to loose their property? And you cannot really tax a dead person now, can you?

[Chicken meat]

But..did you see it tho?

[Rayse]

Depends if the person wanted to be saved or not

[Rayse]

@wojta the laws of men should have no business in the individual's decision to quit this futile game

[Rayse]

@Karina-Kara they are like a greedy company that doesn't want to lose any potential profits, also if one decided that they no longer want to play the game of life, it would undermine the various groups that believe that life is somehow "sacred". They can't be having their deeply held beliefs challenged by people offing themselves so they do everything in their power to prevent it out of "mercy" or so they say...

[wojta]

no, but not helping someone by at least calling emergency is a crime in many countries

[alkal33]

@Vanessa-Snow said in so if i watch somone drown and dosent help the person that is drowning, did i commit murder?:

crime by negligence.

well yess but that still needs some kind of action
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-criminal-negligence.html

[alkal33]

@taropudding
yes

[Chicken meat]

@alkal33 but...did u see it tho

[alkal33]

@Chicken-meat ohh i get it ha ha

[alkal33]

@Rayse why? i mean it's still muder to give someone active suicide help it might be bad or good in the mind of the bedholder

[Rayse]

@alkal33 i don't see how it would be murder, if that person seeks death then it would be an act of mercy. Murder would be relieving someone of life without their consent.

[wojta]

@Rayse no, murder is the conscious act of unlawful killing of another human being. It doesn't matter if the person begged you to kill them, unless a law gives you the right or obligation, it still is murder. But you are right that this wouldn't really be murder, because you didn't kill that person.

[wojta]

@Vanessa-Snow yes, but that's still a crime

[alkal33]

okay thank you