@davitchen said in COVID-19 and Pollution Trends:

@pe7erpark3r I am sure you're aware that the poorest countries will not have the wealthness or the technology to install solar pannels. And some developed countries will not possess the materials (such as lithium and other heavy metals) to build certain capital by themselves either. They heavily rely on importations, and not to talk about the fact that the solar panel lifespan is about 20/30 years, which means that is a short term resolution. I mean, no one has to die, but in order for that to happen during the summers, things will get complicated.

I am aware, but I was talking long-term (50-100 years). I mean china went from a third world country to export-champion in around 20 years. Not that china is a good example of something good :sweat_smile: but change can be produced rather fast if you look at the big picture. I mean today in india virtually no child dies of hunger. The situation was basically reversed 10 years ago.

What the world needs to do is speed up the development of those countries. Yes, that will result in a short-time higher pollution, but once they reach a certain level of wealth and productivity, they start working for the environment. You can see this with big cities in china even today, where more and more environmentally-friendly initiatives are starting. If you help them develop, once they are actually rich enough to care about more than surviving the day, they will.

The problem is, that many people – especially environmentalists – do not like to look at the big picture. Remember all the talk about: "what if every chinese person had a car, then pollution would go up super high"... and what is happening? China is becoming solar-powered, having the first self-driving electrical trams and buses installed last year!

What we need to do is make poor countries rich as fast as we can, even if that has a bad impact on the environment over a short period of time. Because in the long-term, this will have incredible positive effects on the environment.

You know we – humans – are not the cancer on the planet. Those of us who hord all the riches, instead of making everybody richer, those are the cancer on this planet. Those are the people who hinder progress. The super-rich and super-powerful. When this system goes down, it needs to be rebuild in a way, that ensures, that the more you have, the harder it is for you to get more. We need the rich – because they are good at running things – but we don't need the super-rich. They are a flaw in the system.

And yes, I agree that things will soon get back to normal after the pandemy is over...
Thank you for your answer!! :)

Sure mate!

@D1Vine said in SIX is a special number.:

SIX-NINE = the holy number
But do you know, instead of writing 69, you can just write 6, and convey the same message!

Six = S + IX => it contains IX in it, which is Roman numeral for 9;
Therefore SIX contains the number 6, as well as 9 in it, making it the most wholesome number ever.
But wait theres more.
SIX 3 times, is the unholy number => 666
Hence making it the holy number and unholy number both at the same time. This number is the singularity, consisting of both holiness of the world as well as the unholiness, making it a universal number.

SIX

You are aware that 69 is not a "holy" number, are you? :joy:

@JamieM117 said in politicians are sleeping:

Here's the problem though, people are saying it's a good time for the rich and while this may or may not be true there is a bigger problem. They are losing money with less workers in the workforce and less people out buying. They didn't want to do this when COVID-19 hit the US, no they wanted to keep making money. If you aren't a 1% your life is forfeit to them, the real question isn't freezing the economy, it's how we deal with the fact that we are all cannon fodder to begin with. What do we do about it?

Honestly... I think maybe it's a good thing everything is going to fall apart. That way we'll get rid of the enslavers of humanity. We just have to rebuild the system in a better way.

I have a few ideas. For one, taxes should be exponential. E.g. the more you make, the more (in percent) they take from you. Because the problem are the super-big companies, and the super-rich. We don't need them. They are bad for society. We don't need super big. It should just get harder and harder to make more money, the more you have. Currently it's the other way round. If I had a few millions, I'd be a billionaire in no time. This is crap.

@mikeJB said in politicians are sleeping:

this is all true. but please explain to me wtf the stock market keeps doing these 1,000 point jumps if all you say is true? people are dying and this is good news? i will never understand it. maybe it's just greed itself

People are betting on the outcomes of these things. A lot of money can be made in a crisis if you set on the right horse and leave the wrong one. Need more explaining?

good question. i believe it's possible. if destiny... or rather if God so wishes :joy:

They have to. Our economies have not changed, everything was just interrupted. If they don't restart, we have a much bigger problem. You need to be aware, that the effect of global warming is a bit of land under over a few hundred years... we can deal with that. While of course we'll have to reduce pollution, but not in the kind of rush, that Covid-19 made us do it...

Because the effect of the economy going down is civil war. Ergo the reduction in pollution must occur slowly, over a few decades. Or else the world, our human world will go up in fire. And that means that many people will die. Roughly 1/3 of the population will die.

I mean, if one cares so much about the environment, one is free to volunteer to be among these 1/3 of humanity that's not going to survive the shutdown, and sacrifice their life so that those of us who care to live will be able to live in a better world :yum:.

I for one however prefer us all to live, and to treasure human life a bit above the changing of the ecosphere. We are changing I mean... We know that we have an effect on the planet roughly since the 70s. Now 50 years later, on a hot summer day, all of germany's energy is produced by renewable energy sources. If all countries follow suit, then in around 50 years again, things 'll be good. And a bit land under water. But man, we can handle that together. Nobody has to die :shrug: :joy:

For one it depends on wether she's still profitting from her crimes. If she's done good with what she illegally obtained and nothing remains - talking in money terms - then she still has to make it up to the people in some way, from whom she stole. That now depends on her financial status, it should be adequate.

There is a reason though, that certain crimes are time-barred (or whatever the correct term is). People do change over long periods of time. So for the following, she will not have to face a sentence: Real Estate scam and fraud, Distribution of illegal substances, Adultery and Marriage Fraud, except of course as said in the beginning, if she is still profitting from it financially.

Second of course, for the more heinous crimes (human traficking, rape, child abuse, serial killing), she'll have to serve some sentence, for the lives she ruined. A nice penalty would be to be required to help people in similar situations now (victims of the same crimes).

And last but not list, what's so bad about a rapper? :yum:

@Bela-Hella said in Would you rather .......:

Of course tattoos are cooler, but since they depict what I did yesterday, I'll pick color anyways :joy:

The first time I encountered somebody who brushed their teeth before breakfast, I was baffled too. But then I learned something...

There are people who have bad morning breath, and there are those who don't. Those who have it, tend to sleep with an open mouth, the others with their mouth closed. I started sleeping with an open mouth during my teens, and thus I began to have bad morning breath, and it tastes awful too. So, of course I brush my teeth now before breakfast.

Wonder if everybody realized this connection :joy:

well, concerning that conspiracy issue...

this pandemic might not have been instigated, but the rich & powerfull most certainly will use it to their advantage - unless it kills them first :joy:

So watch out. The german government is trying to

• introduce work on sundays
• increase working hours
• save big companies and ignore little ones

Businesses are going bancrupt, because of this crises. Of course they are. And... are you guys aware what this means? Corona Virus has a survival rate of 95%. Fullblown economic breakdown has a survival rate of much less. Maybe 60%. Why? Because the health care system is going to fall apart - not that the US has one of course - and you'll die of any stupid illness, that doctors are capable of saving you from today...

And politicians are not acting fast enough. Strangely enough, since I read a plan from the german government that they wrote in 2012 about a corona virus pandemic, and how the government needs to react. (No there is no conspiracy, back then SARS had just shocked the world, which is a Corona Virus...)

What needs to be done? We need to freeze the economy, so we can restart it afterwards. How do you freeze the economy?

So, how to put this in a frozen state?

• the state prohibits rent (or reduces it to say 25%)
• the state prohibits firing of employees
• the state prohibits the payment of interest to banks (or reduces it to say 1%)
• the state prohibits the payment of salary for employees who don't work
• the state pays the non-working employees 50% of their monthly income
• the state pays landlords who have no other income 50% of their rent
• the state gives 0% credits to pay for investments that were already made, and that will arrive at the consumer after the crisis
• the state prohibits the payment of salaries greater than 7000 dollar per month - nobody needs that much money

Why does this work?

• the company will have no income, but it will have to pay nothing either
• the employees do not have to pay rent
• the employees do not have to pay bank interest
• the employees have enough money to buy food, internet, and other things that keep running
• salaries are the biggest expenses for nearly all businesses
• the banks can survive without the interests too, since they too, do not have to pay employees
• there are prolly some details that I have missed and that the stant will have to pay too

Everybody has less, but the economy does not break down, it is simply frozen, and it can thus restart (no business goes bancrupt, employees keep their jobs). Of course this only works for a short time, so lets hope this mess does not last for a year...

@Indrid-Cold said in My new world view:

I don't get why God wouldn't want to take advantage of that idea. I mean, I can understand the gnostic idea of a deliberately flawed mortal world as well as anyone, but, but, but there's still got to be a visible way through.

I fully acknowledge it could be my sloppy understanding of Jesus' message, or his general vibe.

But yeah. Take care fella.

I'd really love to get an answer to this question:

I wonder how one would be able to persuade someone as deep a thinker as you. And someone, who thinks in so amazingly different frames than me. Help me a bit here... What could persuade you? Would it make you curious to see actual predictions come true in the real world? Would you need a mystical experience? Do you need a saint to act out what christ teaches? What's the thing, that could change your view on this?

Or did you answer it by saying you'd need a better understanding of Christ's message?

I'll have to read your post again though, I think I'll think more about it tomorrow :yum:

@StigmatusMartyr said in Your last words:

"Last words are for fools who haven't said enough!” -Karl Marx

Judging others as fools. What a fitting last statement. :joy:

Sorry for splitting my reply in so many short replies, there is some technical glitch in tws that didn't let me post the thing as a hole. All my previous posts were in reply to @Indrid-Cold

I wonder how one would be able to persuade someone as deep a thinker as you. And someone, who thinks in so amazingly different frames than me. Help me a bit here... What could persuade you? Would it make you curious to see actual predictions come true in the real world? Would you need a mystical experience? Do you need a saint to act out what christ teaches? What's the thing, that could change your view on this?

But this vision you've got of the world as good-and-evil choices fighting tooth-and-nail for dominance, and the spiritual world of God as a hard-to-perceive implicate order -- I admit that would be my solution of choice, too. I like the way you're not afraid to go bleak:

@pe7erpark3r said in My new world view:

But the mind is not the entity that makes the free choices. The place of the choices is not a thinking, logical entity. The place of the choices is the soul... something the mind can never understand, nor has to understand.

I like the way you're willing to describe our minds as places inherently lost, unsure and morally claustrophobic ...and also envision a positive outcome via God. That would be cool. But I need persuading.

Well it somehow seems like a biographically influenced worldview. I was agnostic before I became christian again. And I've realized quite some time ago, that a purely materialistic world must indeed a very bleak world.

Well almost, since there are random quantum effects, that are certainly at work in the brain. But that's chance changing the path of how things run in the brain and not freedom.

So, if the world was purely materialistic then we would be fully deterministic machines, influenced by chance. Consciousness would be nothing other than a function of the underlying system. I mean yes, the whole would be more than it's parts. But it would not transcend the framework, it would not introduce actual free choice.

I don't believe the world is purely materialistic. I believe it might not at all be materialistic...

Now consciousness is a mystery ofc. And I agree with you, that it is a kind of "supernatural, godly" thing, and by agree I mean, I do believe this too. And this believe stands in contrast with a purely materialistic worldview. Because in a world made out of matter only, consciousness must be a function of the brain. And since the brain adheres fully to the physical laws, it is somewhat mechanic, fully deterministic.

Have you permeated my point about the lack of a loophole? I'll try to put it in different words, just to be sure: You know how atoms work right? And how they form molecules. And they do so according to physical + chemical laws. And together they form our bodies, according to the plan in the DNA, still all adhering to those physical laws. And then there is the brain, which has yet higher functions than the body, which can compute input from the senses, and generates various kinds of outputs.