Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?



  • @ragnar-lothbrok

    @sarah said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    I think we decide ourselves

    I thought Free Will was one of the founding principles of the universe...



  • @ragnar-lothbrok Yeah exactly. Free will is an illusion, everything is already determined. So IF god exists and he is all knowing, that meabs that he knows exactly what you are going to chose at every moment of your life, then when he created the universe he created some people KNOWING that he he will put them in hell for eternity and that's the only reason why he created them



  • @ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @ragnar-lothbrok it's simple

    GOD KNOWS YOUR DESTINY AND THEN YOU CHANGE YOUR DESTINY WHICH MEANS GOD DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW YOUR DESTINY

    If god knows everything that means he created some people JUST because he wants to put them in hell forever.

    So god IF he exists is an evil asshole

    we can change our fate through dua

    Du’a is an act of worship. It is the weapon of the believer and the only thing which can change Fate or Destiny.

    IF GOD KNOWS THE FUTURE AND THEN YOU CHANGE THE FUTURE THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T KNOW THE FUTURE

    IF GOD KNOWS YOUR DESTINY AND THEN YOU CHANGE YOUR DESTINY THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T KNOW YOUR DESTINY

    Are you an idiot. How many times did i repeat this

    Du’aa’ is very important. It can change the Divine decree and relieve distress. Allah Says in Holy Quran:

    “And your Lord said: ‘Invoke Me [i.e. believes in My Oneness and asks Me for anything] I will respond to your (invocation). Verily, those who scorn My worship [i.e. do not invoke Me, and do not believe in My Oneness] they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!’” [Surah Ghaafir 40:60]

    So god KNEW while he was creating the universe that these people were going to hell before they even existed. And then he created them just so he can put them in hell forever. What a fucking asshole

    In another Verse, Allah says:
    “And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad PBUH) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me” [Surah al-Baqarah 2:186]

    So people who invoke god not only think that god had set stuff wrong but they also think they can recommend god on how to fix things and put them right again and god is totally ok with that. God doesn't sound like an all-knowing allwise and all-pwerful person

    dude as i said this is fuckn complicated. he the Only one knows why he put it like that. And i believe he is very wise and only True God. not everything concerning his creations and fates that we shall know. he is very wise to let peoples choose their path, and through duaa might chang someones fate.

    IF GOD KNOWS OUR FATE AND THEN YOU CHANGE FATE THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T KNOW YOUR FATE

    Are you an idiot. How many times did i repeat this, this is the 5th time

    and dnt call him asshole please ffs

    So you are just going to say it's complicated and that you aren't going to disprove anything i said. I won.

    P.S.
    I have proved that god (IF he exists) is an evil asshole when in this part

    “And your Lord said: ‘Invoke Me [i.e. believes in My Oneness and asks Me for anything] I will respond to your (invocation). Verily, those who scorn My worship [i.e. do not invoke Me, and do not believe in My Oneness] they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!’” [Surah Ghaafir 40:60]

    So god KNEW while he was creating the universe that these people were going to hell before they even existed. And then he created them just so he can put them in hell forever. What a fucking asshole



  • @ragnar-lothbrok which clearly makes god a complete asshole IF he exists



  • @ragnar-lothbrok so you aren't denying that god created some people JUST so he can send them to BURN IN HELL FOREVER. You're just saying "he let a lot of people not go to hell so it could've been worse ALLAHU AKBAR SKSKGGKVD"



  • @ragnar-lothbrok god is an asshole IF he exists



  • @ragnar-lothbrok But that would mean free will???
    I am confused.



  • @ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @ragnar-lothbrok god is an asshole IF he exists

    damnit, iddnt mean that, ffs, he gave everyone a choice to follow right or wrong

    if god already KNOWS exactly what you are going to do then you don't have any choice

    it is already destined that some peoples can go to hell and others to paradise, also remind you destiny can be changed depends on a persons faith and his willingness to change

    if he was destined to be a bad person and he changed then thats where destiny changes. so it depends on your choice of life

    So you're telling me

    1. God knows the future(destiny)

    2. But i can change (destiny)

    3. So god can be wrong and ignorant about the future(destiny) and not all knowing

    You are so inconsistent



  • changing destiny doesnt mean God is ignorant, its a chance that God gave peoples so that they can be free in choosing either ways, hell or paradise.

    If god doesn't already know EXACTLY what you're going to chose that means he's ignorent of the future. LOGIC BITCH



  • @ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    changing destiny doesnt mean God is ignorant, its a chance that God gave peoples so that they can be free in choosing either ways, hell or paradise.

    If god doesn't already know what you're going to chose that means he's ignorent of the future. LOGIC BITCH

    he is clever and wise to make anyone change his destiny, and he knows each and everyones destiny and future. Omar (r.a) he was among serious killers and people who hated islam during islamic era at the time of prophet (pbuh) but he changed his destiny and we always mention his name on our prayers and when we recite quran

    IF GOD KNOWS THE FUTURE AND THEN YOU CHANGE THE FUTURE THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T KNOW THE FUTURE

    IF GOD KNOWS YOUR DESTINY AND THEN YOU CHANGE YOUR DESTINY THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T KNOW YOUR DESTINY



  • @ragnar-lothbrok wtf is so hard to understand



  • @ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    changing destiny doesnt mean God is ignorant, its a chance that God gave peoples so that they can be free in choosing either ways, hell or paradise.

    If god doesn't already know what you're going to chose that means he's ignorent of the future. LOGIC BITCH

    he is clever and wise to make anyone change his destiny, and he knows each and everyones destiny and future. Omar (r.a) he was among serious killers and people who hated islam during islamic era at the time of prophet (pbuh) but he changed his destiny and we always mention his name on our prayers and when we recite quran

    IF GOD KNOWS THE FUTURE AND THEN YOU CHANGE THE FUTURE THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T KNOW THE FUTURE

    damn!!! look let me make it this way, God knows our future and our destiny, it is all planned by God to live the life we are living. he knows our future but he can change it depending on how we use our life. as i said it is all planned by God, we are given opportunity to change our future.

    So god is like

    "
    GOD: i know everything including everyone's destiny

    Human: does something

    GOD: oh damn, I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS GOING TO DO THAT SO I'M GOING TO CHANGE HIS DESTINY

    "

    god sounds more confused than you are



  • @ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @alwaysstranger hahahha!! he aint confusing its like
    GOD; i know the future of alwaysstrangr, he will enter on paradise, but let me give him a chance to choose his path

    Alwaysstranger; he be a bad person do somthin bad then he changes and be a good person, or do something that good

    God; oh okay then he choosed the wright path even tho he spent his whole life denying me.

    So god was waiting to find out what i was going to do because HE DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW



  • @ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @alwaysstranger hahahha!! he aint confusing its like
    GOD; i know the future of alwaysstrangr, he will enter on paradise, but let me give him a chance to choose his path

    Alwaysstranger; he be a bad person do somthin bad then he changes and be a good person, or do something that good

    God; oh okay then he choosed the wright path even tho he spent his whole life denying me.

    So god was waiting to find out what i was going to do because HE DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW

    he knows everythng. its like giving you a coin for free, i know that u will use it, but depends on how will u use it, i might know 100% that u will buy a gum

    Oh wow god knows everything

    but thn its yo choice to buy something u like. shortly God knws the future and our destiny.

    But that means that he doesn't know what I'm going to buy because if he already knew what i was going to buy then it's not my choice since i had no choice.

    If i had the choice to chose whatever i wanted then why did god already know what i was going to chose.



  • @ragnar-lothbrok it's simple

    GOD KNOWS YOUR DESTINY AND THEN YOU CHANGE YOUR DESTINY WHICH MEANS GOD DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW YOUR DESTINY

    If god knows everything that means he created some people JUST because he wants to put them in hell forever.

    So god IF he exists is an evil asshole



  • @ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @alwaysstranger said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    @ragnar-lothbrok it's simple

    GOD KNOWS YOUR DESTINY AND THEN YOU CHANGE YOUR DESTINY WHICH MEANS GOD DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW YOUR DESTINY

    If god knows everything that means he created some people JUST because he wants to put them in hell forever.

    So god IF he exists is an evil asshole

    we can change our fate through dua

    Du’a is an act of worship. It is the weapon of the believer and the only thing which can change Fate or Destiny.

    IF GOD KNOWS THE FUTURE AND THEN YOU CHANGE THE FUTURE THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T KNOW THE FUTURE

    IF GOD KNOWS YOUR DESTINY AND THEN YOU CHANGE YOUR DESTINY THAT MEANS GOD DOESN'T KNOW YOUR DESTINY

    Are you an idiot. How many times did i repeat this

    Du’aa’ is very important. It can change the Divine decree and relieve distress. Allah Says in Holy Quran:

    “And your Lord said: ‘Invoke Me [i.e. believes in My Oneness and asks Me for anything] I will respond to your (invocation). Verily, those who scorn My worship [i.e. do not invoke Me, and do not believe in My Oneness] they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!’” [Surah Ghaafir 40:60]

    So god KNEW while he was creating the universe that these people were going to hell before they even existed. And then he created them just so he can put them in hell forever. What a fucking asshole

    In another Verse, Allah says:
    “And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad PBUH) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me” [Surah al-Baqarah 2:186]

    So people who invoke god not only think that god had set stuff wrong but they also think they can recommend god on how to fix things and put them right again and god is totally ok with that. God doesn't sound like an all-knowing allwise and all-pwerful person



  • So in the end I'd like to thank both our participants @AlwaysStranger and @Ragnar-Lothbrok for participating, and special thanks to @sarah for bringing this topic back from the dead.



  • right :)



  • @ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    haha u won

    I AGREEEE

    but that doesn't change anything

    I AGREE THAT IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING FOR YOU BUT FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHO READ THIS

    its like this, when God created each soul, he asked every soul to choose its path, living here on earth its like proving for what we choose previously. so it is not Gods fault to create someone jst to suffer in hell, he asked first and we choose

    I DISAGREE

    that means that he didn't know what we were going to chose after he asked

    If he knew what we were going to chose, he knew before he created us that he was creating us just so he can put us in hell forever which makes him an asshole



  • @ragnar-lothbrok said in Did we choose how to live our lives or it's all planned already by GOD ?:

    it seems you even dont trust the existence of God himself. do you?

    How about we end this discussion with the conclusion that IF an all-knowing god that sends people to hell exists then he's an evil asshole, Ok? And that you can't change your destiny because if a god like that exists he would already know everything you are you going to do in your life, Ok? I don't want to talk to you anymore since you just repeat the same stuff over and over again and it's not fun


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