• Do not brag about tomorrow, because you do not know what another day may bring. -Proverbs 27:1

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    @thestrangest damnnnnn dude. I think you need a cake pop and some ice, to chill out a bit. It’s just something nice. And I like these posts. So take your negative vibes elsewhere. :)

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    @sir-devil said in Godbless everyone:

    @thestrangest I just wanted to ask you why to argue with my reply and also say a message like that. It could have been something just like this.

    So...If you want to end it, let's end it. It's been fun.

    I wanted to argue with your reply but got too tired half way through. Making a counter argument for one of your replies takes me a minimum of 20 min. I didn't even read your last text as a whole. Just the part where you congratulate me and tell me that i don't have tp reply to you

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    @girlnextdoor said in Godbless everyone:

    @sir-devil amazing reply sir devil. Hats off to your research and knowledge

    I have to agree. Usually it's easy AF to counter peoples arguments but he's smart and argues stratigically

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    @sir-devil cool. Thanks and bye bye. Till next time

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    @xhiquel 1st thing, you do not have proof that the bible is written by a god but just a reminder that an all loving, all good god wouldn't have ordered man to write down all of these things in his book:


    “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

    “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)


    “In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)

    VIOLENCE AND SADOMASOCHISM(loving a person you feer):

    “This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

    “Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)

    “Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

    “So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)

    “And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)

    ‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)



    Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.

    Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word “servant”, “bondservant”, or “manservant” instead of “slave” to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn’t mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

    The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

    The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

    If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

    Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?

    The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and has sex with them!

    What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don’t die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing

    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

    You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

    Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

    In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn’t know they were doing anything wrong.

    The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

    And these are just a couple of verses

    P.S. usually  after i show a Christian these verses he tells me that it doesn't matter because most of these are in the old testament, well the 10 commandments are also in the old testament so do you also not want the 10 commandements? And by the way, there are no scenarios where a just and all good god would say “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” or “In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” or “Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” and a lot of other verses. And if you are going to say that you don't believe in these verses because they are in the old testament (by the way there are verses i mentioned outside the old testament but k) you'd have to say that you also don't believe in the 10 commandments since they are also in the old testament

  • @thestrangest dude what he fuck you wasted your life talking about this. He as just trying to be kind, he didn't intend fr an argument. But as religion is a touchy subject, I do not blame you. Sandly, I'm on my phone, and I it takes me s much longer to type. I didn't read your whole message, cause it was way to long. I'm just saying, he didn't intento Mae people uneasy, he was just trying to be nice.

  • @thestrangest Just wanted to say that, few things are missing their context. I ain't, bashing your statement. I just wanted to clarify. I am not going to talk about the rest. It is there. I can't say anything about it.

    Judges 19:25-28

    Although in here, it seems like the master left his servant there because she was useless, it is shown in the following verses that he left her there because he knew that she was dead and also that, he did get revenge for her by raising this crime to the entirety of Isreal.

    Genesis 22:2

    Come on, this is one of the more common verses. Abraham will not kill his son. God stops him. I don't know how that happened. I'm just saying that it is written there.

    I also wanted to add that, saying that violence is depicted in The Bible is irrelevant. Many chapters in Bible, specifically in the Old Testament are sort of like history (Don't ask me why and how god was there. I don't know). In the time period of its narration, violence is extremely common. So, yeah, of course, violence would be there.

    I am not supporting Slavery or anything. I am not. I am telling again, I am not supporting slavery. Don't reply to me, saying that I endorse Slavery. Here, although it is wrong, in that time period, Slavery was practiced in almost all parts of the world. I know that they have specified some dark things, you could do with your slave and I do agree that they are bad but I just want to say that they were not uncommon at that time period. I am again, not justifying the Bible. I know that they are wrong.

    I also wanted to say that they were indeed things that were homophobic but then again, it also says that except sex between two married couples, all types of sex bad.

    But now, most importantly, were you "inspired" to make this long reply, just because you saw the words, "Proverbs"? I wonder if you would have ignored this topic altogether if he had excluded "Proverbs". You say that you were kind but the intention behind this reply seems obvious.

  • @thestrangest said in Godbless everyone:

    I don't understand what you are saying here, what do you mean by "he did get revenge for her by raising this crime to the entirety of Isreal."
    So when she got dissmembered after being gang raped, having the bible justify this as that she shouldn't have run off, was that not supporting slavery? Man i don't get it.

    No, the thing is, by reading the previous and succeeding verses, you would get the context. So, the thing goes like, he was a traveler taking rest in a house. Some bandits got wind of it and they surrounded the house and started banging on the door, demanding that girl for sex. The owner of that house tried to negotiate with them but they wouldn't back down. They had no choice to give her up but then, they went overboard. The guy left her there because he knew that she was dead. After getting home, he brought this vile crime to every leader of every major city in Isreal and with their help, he waged a war against them and killed them. Thereby he got his revenge.


    Yes, I get what you are saying. What I imagine is that God should have been trolling (some would say "testing), "Yo, Abram! Sacrifice your son for me". Just like you said, the thing it shows here is the submissiveness of the people. He did stop him, so, uh...

    I never said that violence was depicted in the bible, i said that it was supported in the bible so how is that irrelevant.

    In their defense, violence was a way of life back then.

    I know you already know this but normalising slavery doesn't change how fucked up it was.

    Yes, I know but now you know, how fucked up it is with the rest of the world. It was fucked up everywhere.

    Dude i get what you're trying to say but an all-knowing god wouldn't have endorsed such things, im saying that it just shows that the bible is most defenitely man's work

    Things were shown different in the Old Testament. It was more prehistoric. Things were pretty different back then. Remeber that we are talking about an era that is in BCE. Our current views on morality and ethics won't apply back then. In those times, it was normal. In the present, they are bad.

    Saying "Most definitely", suggest that you have some solid evidence supporting that. Of course, there is no evidence, opposing that too. So, let's just leave it like that.

    Yeh man. I don't care. It isn't a reply in a sense i just copy pasted it from another post of mine to keep it relevant and so hopefully someone reads it and learns something new or has an interesting thought so it's kind in that way. It worked since you read it, you might not have learned anything new but you made it relevant again and also thought about it for a sec.

    Yes, and the only reason I replied was that you were rude to OP. I mean. OP just posted a positive message from The Bible but since you posted the copy-pasted reply, it's relevance has been greatly reduced. Now, people going through this topic would be more affected by the replies it spawned.

    Hence, you perverted his message from something positive to something that is slightly negative, since it was from The Bible.

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    Not really, that was a couple hundred years after the start hestoric period and the end of the heroic period. There were a lot if historiens and even some well known ones back then and none of them wrote about "the great achievments and miracles of Jesus" because there were no such things and even to this day there is 0 evidence that jedus even existed and of course the bible is not evidence just like the harry potter books aren't evidence of the existence of Hogwarts existing.

    What is the point you are trying to make here? Heroic age is in BCE and we were talking about the things in the Old Testament, which is in BCE and not about Jesus.

    Stop defending uneducated desert savages nor their worldwide praise.

    I am telling your quote right back at you.
    "Hey. Don't generalise"
    Uneducated desert savages, huh? Even the common people? Wow!

    In all seriousness, Uneducated? I doubt that. Many people were indeed educated back then. It was just that they were educated to their standards. You can't expect them to learn something that isn't present in their time.

    Savages? Of course, they were savage. Remember we are talking about a time period that is in BCE. Every single era before our current modern era was filled with brutal violence and bloodshed. There was no choice other than that. There was no sufficient technology to establish a proper communication without the fear of assassination and even if they were in a period of peace, was no one enforcing it. So, back then, the only way you could have a proper peace is to capture all of the surrounding territories. So yeah, every soldier in all parts of history were savages.

    Btw, notice that I said "Soldiers"


    Now, how is it stupider?

    supports slavery and violence

    Now then, since it was in BCE, The Old Testament was far from perfect. Today, we have people fighting against slavery and violence, which is good.

    But back then, there were none arguing against it. They just accepted it as a part of their life. There isn't a single nation that never practiced slavery. History can't be changed. In other words, it used to be like this in the past. In today's world, this won't apply.

    Let me explain this.
    i didn't chose to be an atheist it happened because i say no sufficient evidence behind the religious claims, if there was evidence i would believe and of course faith is not a reliable pathway to truth since it can lead you to true and
    wrong conclusions with incredible inaccuracy so using it is useless.

    Again, why this reply? You are just repeating what I said. I have already said there is no solid evidence supporting or opposing God. In such situation, you took the opposing stance. I am not saying that is wrong. You do what you do.

    Testing is a stupid word to say here

    Did you notice that I used testing within double quotes and also that it was not the first word that I used?

    it was just copy/paste.

    Okay. Anyway, it doesn't make it less rude just because it is a copy-paste. It just shows that there was less work for you.

  • @sir-devil said in Godbless everyone:

    there was no one enforcing it

    Just in case, I would explain more. Here I am implying two things; UN and MAD. They are the two things that are doing the most work in preventing wars between nations.

    Hence, back then, there was no peaceful way to solve an issue between two nations. There were no Internation Court of Justice. If a country did wrong, they only way you could get back at them would be to gather an army and kill their ruler, an act which is both violent and savage.

  • @sir-devil said in Godbless everyone:

    Heroic age
    Hestoric age

    What are you meaning by this?
    I assumed heroic age to the Greek heroic age, which is something that is connected to Greek mythology and whose history must have taken place in BCE.

    Note that I said "History". It's because the city of Troy depicted in the Odysseus exists, although the story is interwoven with the mythology. I have to clarify this because you always do case by case breakdown reply and have far too many times failed to see my context.

    Now, wtf is hestoric age?

  • @sir-devil said in Godbless everyone:

    Btw, notice that I said "Soldiers"

    Again, a just in case reply. The violent stories depicted in the Old Testament are done by only a mere fraction of the people. There must have been a lot of peasants who lived their lives peacefully while abiding by their laws. Some may not even have slaves. They might have been that poor. They might have lived their lives peacefully without any harms. Hell, many Scholars throughout the history resort from committing any violence. There must have been Scholars back then too. Hence, I don't find them all to be either uneducated nor savage.

    The reason I posted this reply is echo.

  • @thestrangest

    First things, first. Congratulation on the Internship. Next, if you are indeed tired, you don't have to reply to this text. You could reply when you are capable of. Thirdly, You can't just argue against my arguments and also, say that I am not going to read any of it. It makes you look bad...

    In old times monks used to protect temples like soldures or should i say AS soldures

    Let me give you the definition of soldiers, "a person who serves in an army." Did they serve in an army? No, then they are not soldiers.

    We can say they were. They worked under a leader and fought in war
    No, we can't. Echo the definition.

    Okay, for starters, before the Sengoku era (~15th century), Ninjas, as we call it now, were a group of peasants who took to the arms, usually after being fed up with their Shogun. Hence, they were nothing but an angry peasant who did not make much of the impact. This is evident due to lack of documents of them since they were consisted of low-class people and did not have much impact in the feudal Japan. Hence, the High-class Aristocrats and Historians did not even bother enough to write about them.
    It is only during the Sengoku period that people started to record their fighting style. We vaguely and collectively call it "Ninjutsu". It is also during this period that Mercenaries who were taught in this started to emerge. Since the way they fought was covert but at the same time dishonorable, many Shogunates hired them to do their dirty work.
    Since they were hired and not served, they could not be considered as a Soldier. They also did not give two shits about the emperor. Actually, when I think about it, nobody gave two shits about the emperor. He was just a figurehead for the most part of the history. Also, they were dishonorable. Hence, no shogun would have the guts to openly admit that they hired Ninjas.
    Now coming back to the point, they didn't care about their emperor. They just killed for the money and since they did not have a code of honor, most just killed anybody, including women and Children. There are documents depicting the ninja's killing numerous innocents, just because they were paid for. Now if this is not savage. I don't what is.

    You said nation.
    Sure but groups of people that can vaguemy be called nations live there from time to time.

    Okay, I used the term "Nation" at the start of the Chain. So, let's go with it. The defenition of Nation is, "Nations are culturally homogeneous groups of people, larger than a single tribe or community, which share a common language, institution, religion and historical experience." Notice that they says, "larger than a single tribe"

    live there from time to time

    I literally said that they were nomadic. Hence they didn't "live there from time to time"

    know it's hard as fuck to disprove a negative like this one.

    then why the fuck did you argue against it by saying "but then again, there probably were"? You brought this question upon yourself.

    No. In christian mythology god, yahweh is repeatidly described as all-wise, omnipotent...

    I was just throwing a bunch of What if questions.
    This is exactly why I said that you are not able to read between the lines and understand the context. I had to even change up the order of the statements so that the reply would go like a flowchart and thus, making it easy for you. This also shows that you did not argue as a whole but against each breakdown of a statement, which is a bad way to argue.

    The point is we don't know. There's no evidence for that either way.

    I see that you have conveniently ignored this statement. I wrote this statement for an important reason. It just basically states the purpose of me writing those what if question. By ignoring this statement, you were able to argue against those individuals what if questions.


    Oh, okay. I was initially thinking something entirely different.
    Now getting back to this, The Bible never said that Circumcision was an absolute necessity. What it did says it that God told Abraham to circumcise himself, his household and all his animals. But the tricky part, here is that it is said to come from Moses himself and there are records showing that his son was not circumcised. And every single Christian was freed from these laws in the Book of Acts and that is why, Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant churches never adopted circumcision.

    Here's a site that compiles all of those, http://www.cirp.org/pages/cultural/glass2/.
    Although it is bit religious, you would get the point in the first few paragraph.

    I'm tited of this conversation. Ok man let's say the bible does not comment on the shape of the earth

    sigh If you are going to say this, why oppose it twice before. It just seems unnecessary. Why are so predisposed to argue against each breakdown of my argument? And no, I didn't decide that they were meant to be taken metaphorically. Historians Did.

    Btw, did you even go to that wiki page? It's a common wiki page available to edit by anyone. It says right there that medieval flat earth theory was nothing but a modern-day misconception with quite a few citations. If you did and still said that it said that Earth is flat, facepalm Sad...sad indeed.

    we know that people and the apostels back then did not know where the sun went at night.

    I don't know what you are talking about. Citation needed.

    u just admitted there were truces. I rest my case. The lenght of the truces do not matter for the argument

    I admit that there was a truce and the length of the truce do matter for the argument. If it does not last for a significant amount of time, it has no purpose. What is usually the ideal situation for a truce? Most of the time, truces were after significant losses on both sides in a war. That means that it was already a violent situation.

    Of course, I would wholeheartedly support that truces were indeed extremely useful in BCE, if you a give a small list of times where truces held in BCE were indeed effective.

    Nice try, ignoring the last sentence. (The reason why truces weren't effective, as I mentioned earlier would be the lack of any governing forces (like the UN) watching over those countries and maintain the peace.)

    First sex ed classes are normally at 12 y.o.

    No, no, no, no. You can't do that. I specifically said, "again". That means that I was repeating the previous request, where I asked you to provide some evidence, that 7-12 year children all around the world, knew about "The Meaning of Life". I repeat "The Meaning of Life" not how to create life. There's a difference.

    You previously said that we have all figured about the meaning of life. But I see that there are philosophers discussing it in the modern era. I think, you were thinking about "What is Life?" and not about "The Meaning of Life". There's a subtle difference between them.

    Dude. Please im tired ok

    Why? Just Why? If you are indeed tired, why are you replying now? You could have taken rest and had more time to collect your thoughts. Why argue now and say that you are tired? It's not like I'm forcing you to reply within a time limit. You usually take about ~2 days to reply anyway.

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    @sir-devil dude look. This convo has strained away from anything i was originally talking about. I want to end it. I wanna leave it alone. Wanna have the last word?

  • @thestrangest I just wanted to ask you why to argue with my reply and also say a message like that. It could have been something just like this.

    So...If you want to end it, let's end it. It's been fun.

  • @sir-devil amazing reply sir devil. Hats off to your research and knowledge

  • @girlnextdoor Well, I can't argue with him without a proper strategy or research. Beleive me, I once had. I have to say that it was hard for me. I took my time to better myself with this.

  • @thestrangest I like both your debates ... They help me discovers things I never thought about

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    @sir-devil you were good man. It is just that it strained off topic. Now we were just arguing about if the people in the old testament are "uneducated desert savages" and i think you are very strongly defending the point of view that they are not but the only reason i said that they were is because you used "in their defence..." when talking about the justification of slavery in the old testament and i probable wrongly said "stop defending uneducated desert savages". I know you were not defending skavery but i wanted to say that no matter how normal it was that they supported (NOT ONLY DIPICTED) slavery in the bible an all moral god would have forbidden slavery in the bible therefore this poses a problem for the suggestion that god is all-moral but i guess you would agree with that so i want to end this because i said, countering one of your comments takes me a minimum of 20 min and i am busy more over this was not what i was originally trying to argue about. I'm sorry, i hope you understand. Thank you for this, it was very fun and informative

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