Do you think ISLAM is a religion of terrorism ?
Muslim last edited by sarah
tell me what do you think about islam from your point of view as a free thinker not what u hear from the media
@Ayesha-Khan oh you have read the quran HUH? Go fucking get your Quran and read Surah 5 verse 33, Surah 8 verse 12 AND THEN TELL ME ISLAM IS A FUCKING RELIGION OF PEACE
Please read this entire comment with a quran in your hand or while being on on https://quran.com.
(This is a different edited comment from the last 5 that are similar to it)
Not all Muslims believe in islam at the same level. That's why not all muslims are violent. When i was a muslim i used to believe some stupid shit but i wasn't able to kill people even though I'm pretty sure if i staid in syria long enough i could have become a crazy murderer because of Islam. The reason why I'm cursing so much is because i have lost hope that you will doubt you're beliefs, because you ( @Muslim ) don't believe in evolution even though it is a fact in science, so you basically don't believe in science. Even though you don't believe in science, you are saying that scientists have discovered that
1.ants are made of glass
2.that the moon was cut in 2
Even though they clearly haven't because if they did i would be able to find 1 single scientific article about it even though i couldn't, these things you're saying are crazy.
The quran says that the world was created in 6 days, which when compared to the fact of the big bang which shows how many billions of years it took for the world to be created. It Is kind of like saying that it takes 30 minutes and not 9 months for a baby to be born.
If you don't believe in evolution or the big bang then you need to know 2 things:
1.Science is true no matter if you believe in it or not
If you still don't realise you're wrong for not believing in science here is a website to help you understand that evolution and the big bang theories are true
Let me prove to you that islam is not a religion of peace:
Part 1. Violent verses:
"Fight against those who do not obey Allah and do not believe in Allah or the Last Day and do not forbid what has been forbidden by Allah and His messenger even though they are of the People of the Book until they pay the Jizya With willing submissions and feel themselves subdued" surah 9 verse 29
“When the sacred months have passed, then kill the Mushrikin wherever you find them. Capture them. Besiege them. Lie in wait for them in each and every ambush but if they repent, and perform the prayers, and give zacat then leave their way free.” surah 9 verse 5
“They ask you about fighting during the sacred months. Tell them, fighting therein is a great sin but a greater sin is to prevent mankind from following the way of Allah, to disbelieve in him.” surah 2 verse 217
“Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out from where they drove you out. Persecution is worse than slaughter.” Surah 2 verse 191
“When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” Surah 47 verse 4 (smite means cut, so this means that when you will meet the unbelievers, cut their necks)
“When your Lord revealed to the angels, ‘Truly I am with you. So, keep firm those who have believed. I will strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. So, strike them at the necks and cut off their fingers.’” Surah 8 verse 12
“Oh you who believe, fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you and let them find harshness in you.” surah 9 verse 123
“Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow Him are merciful to one another but harsh to the disbeliever.” Surah 48 verse 29
“They wish that you would reject faith as they have rejected faith unless that you would all be equal. So, don’t take protectors from them unless they emigrate in the way of Allah but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”Surah 4 verse 89
Part 2. Verses against equality
“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has made one superior to the other and because they spend to support them from their means. Therefore, righteous women are obedient and they guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard. And, as to those women from whom you fear disobedience, give them a warning, send them to separate beds, and beat them.” Surah 4 verse 34
"Women are mens "fields," and men can have sex with them whenever they want" Surah 2 verse 223
"A woman is worth one-half of a man, and men are above women" Surah 4 verse 11, Surah 2 verse 282 ans Surah 2 verse 228
"Muslim men may marry up to 4 wives, including prepubecent girls, and can own sex slaves" Surah 4 verse 3, Surah 65 verse 4
"Women must cover themselves and be seen only by relatives, eunuchs, slaves and children who have not yet had sex with women" Surah 24 verse 31
"And (We sent) Lot when he said to his people: What! do you commit an indecency which any one in the world has not done before you? Most surely you come to males in lust besides females; nay you are an extravagant people. And the answer of his people was no other than that they said: Turn them out of your town, surely they are a people who seek to purify (themselves). So We delivered him and his followers, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind. And We rained upon them a rain; consider then what was the end of the guilty." Surah 7 verses 80-84
"And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them. And as for the two who are guilty of indecency from among you, give them both a punishment; then if they repent and amend, turn aside from them; surely Allah is oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful."surah 4 verse 15-16
Now do you understand why I'm angry?
Because muslims say that the quran and islam are perfect but look at this.
And the punishment for leaving islam is death:
research has shown (you can google this) that 88% of Muslims in Egypt and 62% of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.
So basically a lot of Muslims want me dead.
So don't tell me don't attack islam when a lot of Muslims want to kill me.
If you don't agree with me then please just explain calmly and in a way i can understand
P.S. I'm 99% sure that all of the verses i mentioned are not taken out of context or not translated correctly. But even if you think that 1 or 2 are taken out of context or not translated correctly, it doesn't matter because the rest of the verses are not
And if anybody changed their minds after reading this,tell me because i would like to know. ( :
@Muslim dude. I'm a Palestinian/Syrian, i know that the war is horrible.
Don't yell. Don't call anybody an idiot. That will never convince him of anything.
P.S. "idrubuhunn" means "Hit them" in arabic and the website you're looking at is bullshit
“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has made one superior to the other and because they spend to support them from their means. Therefore, righteous women are obedient and they guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard. And, as to those women from whom you fear disobedience, give them a warning, send them to separate beds, and beat them.” is the correct translation to english and the website you're looking at is saying non-sense. Go get your quran and read it for yourself.
@Muslim Évolution and the big bang are facts
@Muslim you don't believe in modern science and you're telling us to get help. Are you retarded?
@Muslim First off, I apologize for @how-to-make-a behaviour. He's an idiot.
You don't try to refute my points, once again. They are valid, then. They are true.
Also, ad hominem arguments, arguments attacking the discussant instead of the thesis, are not valid in any way excepting arguments based on ethos, and that is largely irrelevant because we're on the internet.
The splitting of the moon - it's not proven that it's been split. There's a long hole on the moon, but no, it's not split in half and has not been in the same vein as you're thinking.
Also, could you just rephrase your mosquito part? I don't really understand that.
As for the glass part - no. His reasoning is the sound they make when they're crushed. It'd also require that life on Earth was silicon based, not carbon based, which nobody on this dirtball is.
@sarah the verse doesn't say "don't have sèxist with menstruating women" it says that women who menstruate are filthy and unclean which is bullshit. And hiw do you [censored]ing justify the other sëxist verses. You're not being serious
@tina oh [censored] off. Ok let's say (LET'S SAY) that you proved me wrong with the menstruating thing. How do you justify the other sěxist verses?
@gr3tt3l exactly. A religion of piece. A piece of you on the roof, a couple pieces of you on the ground and the rest is missing
@Ayesha-Khan i gave you the proof with a reply on another comment you wrote. And by the way it's fucking spelled "proof"
Firstly, it's very obvious that Islam is not a religion of terrorism. However, it's still a religion of war, violence and sexism, among other nasty things.
How I know this, you may ask. It's very simple - just read the Quran casually.
First off, the matter of gender equality. Sura 4, verse 11, establishes that a man is worth twice the amount than women, legally. In other words, in Islam sexism is mathematically established.
Secondly, the rape part. Muhammad was not a peaceful hippie like Buddha or Jesus. He was a warlord. He kept hundreds of sex slaves and raped women in front of their husbands, defeated in battle, before he executed or enslaved them. He personally slew 800 Jewish men and boys. Not in combat, no - he executed them. (Abu Dawud 4390)
There's nothing especially wrong with this, though, as muslims are not Muhammad. Excepting the part about Islam where you're supposed to follow Muhammads example - try to be as much as a Muhammad as you can. So, technically, muslims are supposed to kill infidels, rape women and execute Jews! Incredible! (Sura 33, verse 21).
There's also the part where men are allowed to strike their men. Sura 4, verse 34 establishes that a man is allowed to hit his wife if she disobeys him, in all matters. You don't want to cook that evening? Well, it's his, your husband, right and duty to hit you.
Fourthly, Muhammad did not simply go to war with the infidels and non-believers. He also beckoned all muslims to do the same! He told his fellow muslims to fight against the infidels wherever they would find them, until they submit to Allah or die. This can be found in sura 9, verse 29.
Islam is also the only world religion that retains its followers membership by threatening to kill those that leave it. This is set by Muhammad's example. Hadith, Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260.¨
There's also the practical evidence. 18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).
Lets compare Muhammad to Jesus shortly. This is not to endorse Christianity, but only to show the contrast. Muhammad stoned a woman for adultery, (Muslim 4206
). Jesus? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." (John 8:7).
Ever heard an eye for an eye? If the world applied that logic, "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.", wise words as said by Gandhi. Muhammad had a different idea, though.
"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
There's also the matter of holy wars. These two prophets had entirely different ideas when it came to those, and war in general. Not only due to their actions in life, but also their preachings. Lets compare them.
"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
This basically means that all that don't believe in Allah must die or convert to Islam. Splendid.
Jesus had, once again, another idea.
"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
A final comparison will be the simple fact that Muhammad crucified people. Jesus was himself crucified, simply due to the fact that he did not comply in belief to others.
On top of all this, Islam is against democracy. It cannot exist in a secular society alongside a functioning government if you were to follow the beliefs advocated by the Quran and other holy texts. (Sura 33, verse 36, and sura 18, verse 26.)
It's pretty obvious what the answer to your question is. As a final gift, I leave you this wonderful quote:
"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)
@Muslim And i have been through racism
@Muslim look who's fucking calling me stupid, Mr. Can't spell a single fucking sentence correctly
Julia last edited by Julia
First off, I never said that I was an atheist. I'm agnostic, stop assuming everyone refuting your religion to be atheists. Also, don't ask people to "tell me what do you think about islam" and then tell us we don't know anything about Islam. That's moronic - why did you ask in the first place?
You don't even try to refute my arguments. You instead point to other 'arguments' you have. That's called misdirection. It only shows that my arguments are valid and you desperately trying to stay true to your thesis.
Also, Terrorism, by Merriam-Webster: "the use of terror especially as a means of coercion"
Hiroshima and Nagasaki does not fall into that category, arguably, and the total casualties for Hiroshima was 135,000 people, not 300,000 people. Get your facts straight.
Mate, I'm not American. I don't get why'd you assume that, but okay.
When did I tell you that cows fly? Are you referring to evolution? Because according to evolution cows can't fly, but their ancestors, far back enough that they according to anthropology are not their ancestors, could fly.
@Muslim you're a fucking idiot
@Muslim look who's fucking calling me stupid, Mr. Can't spell a single fucking sentence correctly
@Muslim NO SCIENTISTS WHATSOEVER HAVE PROVED THAT THE MOON WAS SLICED IN 2 OR THAT ANTS ARE MADE OF GLASS, ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND