ABORTION-necessity or a social evil?



  • what's your take on abortion?
    do you support the idea or are you against it?



  • @harveylake said in ABORTION-necessity or a social evil?:

    what's your take on abortion?
    do you support the idea or are you against it?

    I'm against this idea. I am a woman and I will never ever kill an infant for whatever reasons will it be. I can't even kill a plant, what more an infant. My conscience is stronger than anything bad.. if you will set me to a situation where I should have to kill it, I will still choose to discard.



  • @harveylake Not as a means of after-the-fact birth control, but otherwise yes I support it in the early weeks (or later where there is unacceptable health risk to the mother). Bodily autonomy is something I'm rather passionate about.



  • I'm not sure really. There are good arguments for both sides



  • A woman's right to choose is probably the gold standard moral compass --mistakes might happen, one-in-thousand women might be fickle or stupid, but what other choice have we got but to trust them? I had a good friend who was in two minds about whether or not to have an abortion, @harveylake. The thing is, even if you think the whole affair isn't eating them up inside, it really is.

    Beyond all the stock answers? I'd say this: my earliest memory is being in the crib. At a push, I used to have those Jungian archetypal dreams about crawling through a narrow cave -- which was probably a collective evolutionary memory of being born. But it's a bit far fetched (in my conception) to suppose abortion-age kids have much of a consciousness. I could be wrong. All the same, I do have vague sympathy for the anti-abortion lobby, because it's all about mind-bending sentimentality, isn't it? It's like those sci-fi stories where a group of people go back in time to try and change some horrible future, and one of them says, "You do realise that if we pull this off we'll never have existed?", and there's a funny kind of 'wow' moment. They see some sanctity in just just the raw idea of life, which more than a lot of people do.


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    @harveylake
    Abortion should be mandatory from now on, humans had their chance and they fucked it up. Get a dog instead.



  • @harveylake I am also against joking about killing babies


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    Most importantly, I think people should think their opinions through properly, especially with life and death decisions, no matter if it's about animals or people.

    For example there are vegans out there, who seem to have no trouble with an abortion or the pill after, but scream at you for eating (and killing) animals. It just makes no sense.



  • I am against it. I am a man that can't have kids due to low sperm count. I went out with a girl who was six months pregnant. And one day she just went in and got rid of it.



  • Ohhhh! I love incendiary topics.

    I'm about to make any reader actually THINK.

    Some say human life begins at conception.
    In this vial I have an egg.
    In this vial I have a few million sperm.
    I mix them together, give it a little shake, and the egg is fertilized.
    It's splitting into a zygote, it's ready to attach to a womb, and it would likely develop into a baby.
    Hummm...
    Drinks the vial
    Did I just comit cannibalism?

    Some people say they want smaller government.
    Then the same people pass so many laws that even your crackhead wife's abortion requires carbon copy notorized triplicate forms, unnecessary pelvic exam, listening to heartbeats, three counseling sessions with prayers included, a signed affidavit by the unknown father that she met at a bar one night, and, oh, sorry, that took too long. Abortion and to be done yesterday during the first 6 weeks of pregnancy. We will now arrest you for giving birth to a crack baby. A lot of laws they love. But "big government is bad".

    Some people say they are completely against abortion. And then they or their sister becomes pregnant but the embryo attached inside the fallopian tube instead of the uterus. If it is not removed then mother and fetus would both die.

    Some say that they are against abortion except in cases of rape and incest .... Apparently, if your dad is your grandpa then you don't count as a baby. The world already blames you before you're even born.

    Some say that abortion should be between a woman and her doctor. Apparently the doctor arrested in Arizona for sexually assaulting his paitents proves that doctors are unbiased. Or the doctors that will prescribe medical marijuana to anyone for a fee always have their paitents' best interest at heart. And it's irrelevant if the woman is a crackhead that is convinced satain got her pregnant while she was zonked out of her mind in solitary confinement.

    Some say abortion should not be used as birth control.
    Others say birth control is abortion.

    Some say a featus is a human baby when it develops a heartbeat at about 5 weeks. Apparently can be as small as a sesame seed and you do not need ears, eyes, nose, or even a brain (all of which BEGIN to develop at the 6th week) to be a human. Most women do not even discover they are pregnant until they are atleast in the sixth week.

    Ironically, the people that pass the highly restrictive "Pro-Life" laws to "protect children" tend to be the same people that agree with Trump's actions of taking children away from parents at the Mexican boarder, want to take welfare and food stamps away from families, and feel that children born in the US with non-citizen parents aren't really children but "Anchor Babies". Many would even approve of sending delinquent juvenile offenders to prison instead of to juvenile detention "so they learn their lesson"

    Any politician that raises the abortion issue during times where the topic has been quiet, or who sums up their opinion in a simple phrase such as "life begins at conception" or "except in cases of rape and incest" only prove they have no idea what they are talking about.

    There is no simple answer in regards to abortion. It is a grey area as large as the planet.



  • @petrapark3r regarding my long post, I was addressing many of the pre-existing areguements and how they fail.

    How can anyone be completely for or against such a profound issue as abortion? The featus could be non viable, the pregnancy could have a condition that results in death for the mother before even the possibility of early delivery, the mother could just be a vengeful baby hater, the doctor could be a quack, and so on.

    To say it's a crystal clear yes or no would show a lack of consideration or education on the facts of the biology and sociology involved.



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    @harveylake i do! I support abortion



  • I think we define the right or wrong for ourself. Though one can debate that morally it is incorrect to abort a child.
    but there can be various scenarios where the couple do not want or can't afford (financially, mentally) to have a child...
    So basically, to me, if the decision to abort is mutual and well thought of, it should be respected and accepted.



  • @JosephStalin said in ABORTION-necessity or a social evil?:

    Abortion is horrible under certain circumstances. If you just don’t want the baby even though you willingly fucked then your a selfish price of shit.

    What if you are a 50 year old woman that has not yet hit post menopause and the birth control failed and you concived with your 63 year old husband and the featus has no brain, eyes, ears, arms, lungs, yet because it is only a few weeks into term?
    Would that woman be a "Piece of shit" ?



  • @Guy-marken said in ABORTION-necessity or a social evil?:

    I am against it. I am a man that can't have kids due to low sperm count. I went out with a girl who was six months pregnant. And one day she just went in and got rid of it.

    Where are you from that they conduct abortions at six months of pregnancy? In the USA abortion is an option from very early pregnancy (somewhere between 4-6 weeks, depending on where you go) until about 24 weeks. Abortions are available later than 24 weeks only in rare cases for medical reasons.


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    @ScruffyMutt said in ABORTION-necessity or a social evil?:

    Ohhhh! I love incendiary topics.

    I'm about to make any reader actually THINK.

    For a post that is supposed to make people think, you create a lot of confusion. But maybe that's your idea of making people think, cause you might be right that it works 😂

    Some say human life begins at conception.

    This is nonsense. Human life obviously begins at conception (as derived from the scientific defition of life in general). The question is wether the little thing is already a person or not.

    Some people say they want smaller government.
    Then the same people pass so many laws that even your crackhead wife's abortion requires carbon copy notorized triplicate forms, unnecessary pelvic exam, listening to heartbeats, three counseling sessions with prayers included, a signed affidavit by the unknown father that she met at a bar one night, and, oh, sorry, that took too long. Abortion and to be done yesterday during the first 6 weeks of pregnancy. We will now arrest you for giving birth to a crack baby. A lot of laws they love. But "big government is bad".

    The question wether abortion is wrong or right has nothing to do with the people who are holding it and what else they do. Abortion isn't wrong just because some murderer is for it, or right because the pope is for it... But I agree with one thing: making abortion impossible by burocratic means is an underhanded move. Also there are some other pretty bad laws in place that punish women for being forced into prostitution. It is essential to differentiate.

    Some people say they are completely against abortion. And then they or their sister becomes pregnant but the embryo attached inside the fallopian tube instead of the uterus. If it is not removed then mother and fetus would both die.

    Again the question wether abortion is right or wrong has nothing to do with the people who hold that view. Truth be told, since babies can survive outside of their mother's womb as early as the 5th month now (with artifical life support), in this case you can save both, but there remains a risk. However you have a valid point that there are situations where you have to decide whom you should save. Let me add another example: There is a fire and a fireman can save one of two people. Whom should he save? He's got to decide and he will... But does that mean he killed the other person?

    Ironically, the people that pass the highly restrictive "Pro-Life" laws to "protect children" tend to be the same people that agree with Trump's actions of taking children away from parents at the Mexican boarder, want to take welfare and food stamps away from families, and feel that children born in the US with non-citizen parents aren't really children but "Anchor Babies". Many would even approve of sending delinquent juvenile offenders to prison instead of to juvenile detention "so they learn their lesson"

    First of all, the question wether abortion is right has nothing to do with who holds it and who doesn't and what other views they hold... Second: this is a prejudice seeded by the media. People who vote for trump do not automatically aprove of everything he does. Most of the people who want a secure border, do not appreciate ripping families apart. There are also people who are for juvenile prison and for abortion. The views that people hold have (you know the drill)...

    Any politician that raises the abortion issue during times where the topic has been quiet, or who sums up their opinion in a simple phrase such as "life begins at conception" or "except in cases of rape and incest" only prove they have no idea what they are talking about.

    Or it means they have actually thought it through and just summarize the thought that they think says it all. This is the problem with modern media, you have 1 minute to say what you have to say. Nobody in this day and age gets the time to differentiate. That is why long time podcasts have reached such mass adaptation, because people crave deeper conversation.

    There is no simple answer in regards to abortion. It is a grey area as large as the planet.

    There are never simple answers, but that does not automatically make it a grey area either...


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    @ScruffyMutt said in ABORTION-necessity or a social evil?:

    @JosephStalin said in ABORTION-necessity or a social evil?:

    Abortion is horrible under certain circumstances. If you just don’t want the baby even though you willingly fucked then your a selfish price of shit.

    What if you are a 50 year old woman that has not yet hit post menopause and the birth control failed and you concived with your 63 year old husband and the featus has no brain, eyes, ears, arms, lungs, yet because it is only a few weeks into term?
    Would that woman be a "Piece of shit" ?

    Piece of shit is demeaning... obviously she's not a piece of shit.

    But, also quite obviously, when you have sex you might conceive even at 50 years of age (because birth control tends to fail) and most 50 year old people have had enough time to learn that. What would absolve a person who's 50 from the responsibility a 20 year old has? Also quite obvious: Her husband has the same responsibility.

    You can only even make that argument, because you don't see the fetus as a human being. If you were right with this, there would be no responsibility indeed...



  • @petrapark3r said in ABORTION-necessity or a social evil?:

    @ScruffyMutt said in ABORTION-necessity or a social evil?:

    @JosephStalin said in ABORTION-necessity or a social evil?:

    Abortion is horrible under certain circumstances. If you just don’t want the baby even though you willingly fucked then your a selfish price of shit.

    What if you are a 50 year old woman that has not yet hit post menopause and the birth control failed and you concived with your 63 year old husband and the featus has no brain, eyes, ears, arms, lungs, yet because it is only a few weeks into term?
    Would that woman be a "Piece of shit" ?

    Piece of shit is demeaning... obviously she's not a piece of shit.

    But, also quite obviously, when you have sex you might conceive even at 50 years of age (because birth control tends to fail) and most 50 year old people have had enough time to learn that. What would absolve a person who's 50 from the responsibility a 20 year old has? Also quite obvious: Her husband has the same responsibility.

    You can only even make that argument, because you don't see the fetus as a human being. If you were right with this, there would be no responsibility indeed...

    Are you saying that a married couple should stop having sex once the are done having kids?
    And I see a collection of cells as a collection of cells. A 5 week featus with no brain and the size of a sesame seed is no more a living breathing person to me than a seed is a tree.
    There is a difference between a person and a potential person.






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