If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists)

[Kaneki-kun]

@albarselan said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

@mcurie @kaneki-kun if you want to move in this way, god is not exist because he has no creator , let's move with this assume,
1-if god is not exist , so the universe is not exist because it should have creator, and because no god who is creator for universe, so there is no universe.
2- if no universe, so we are not exist because we are live in universe which is not exist, so sure we are not.
3 if you are saying that nature created itself, tell me how this happened with this ultimate genuine???
4- if you believe that universe is exist, so based in ur rule, someone created it, we are calling this someone "god" , tell us about his name in ur believes!!!.

Actually u r saying that u believe onlythe in evidence, actually the universe itself is the biggest clear prove for existance of god

I'm not saying God doesn't exist and I never said that I man🙄. I think you'd read my replies more carefully please

[Kaneki-kun]

@albarselan said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

@kaneki-kun iam just including you in the answer, as a type of respecting for you. 😀

Okay

[albArselan]

@kaneki-kun the reply is directed for mcurie , but iam including u as u r part of the conversation

[Kaneki-kun]

@albarselan said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

@kaneki-kun the reply is directed for mcurie , but iam including u as u r part of the conversation

Okay. I think the best person that can answer him/her is someone who now believes in God's existence and was formally an atheist @albArselan. Don't you think so??

[TheStrangest]

Well I'm supposed to not be on this site since.... well i left and definitely do not want to come back but i couldn't resist answering this. Sorry if this was really a question JUST for theists.

@mcurie long story short there is no good reason to believe in a god. If you can say that everything has to have a cause except god, i can say everything needs to have a cause except the universe and none of us would have gotten any closer to any truth. Most atheists are agnostic(a-(meaning not or lack)gnostic(having knowledge of)) atheists(a- theist(belief in god)) meaning they do not know for certain if there is a god or not but still do not believe because they've yet to find a good reason to. Point is that until science(the field of astrophysics in this case) has a SCIENTIFIC theory(theory means something completely different in science than otherwhere)

explaining the origins of the universe then no one knows and YOU don't get to give made up answers like "god" which you can't even clearly define for all we care. It's funny how the 2 fields of science(Astrophysics and Biology) that most focus on origins of things are the most atheist, i wonder why... because there is no proof for your made up answers

Any questions?

[TheStrangest]

@mcurie BTW I'll only answer if i feel like it, sometimes people write for too long, are incomprehensible and at the same time think that they're making perfectly valid points... and i ofcourse am rarely in the mood for that kind of sh*t

[DoYknowDaway]

I will tell you one Big secreat. The Love is not created. It have existed ever since and ever before. And was and it is and will be forever. Moving on. Stupid things dont matter. Get yourself a loving life man. We believe not for the good og God, because he doesnt need it. We believe because we need Him and his infinite love. And why is there misery in the world. Dont blame God but man for their stupidity. Have a wondwrful life

[Kugelblitz]

@thestrangest That's what I was telling them the whole time, but they think that the universe must have a cause, but god doesn't have a cause. blah blah blah.... That's why I stopped replying them.

[Kaneki-kun]

@mcurie said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

@thestrangest That's what I was telling them the whole time, but they think that the universe must have a cause, but god doesn't have a cause. blah blah blah.... That's why I stopped replying them.

All the answers you're looking for are here Who Created God? (Atheist gave answers with proves). And seriously IDK what men should tell you again if after all this you're still not satisfied.

[TheStrangest]

@kaneki-kun said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

@mcurie said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

@thestrangest That's what I was telling them the whole time, but they think that the universe must have a cause, but god doesn't have a cause. blah blah blah.... That's why I stopped replying them.

All the answers you're looking for are here Who Created God? (Atheist gave answers with proves).
And seriously IDK what men should tell you again if after all this you're still not satisfied

So basically you are just copying a whole fucking article and saying the answer to the rhetorical question "who created god" that points out the hypocrisy of saying that EVERYTHING has to have a cause EXCEPT god(which is just a special pleading FALLACY) is in an article that(I'm saying this without even opening) is from 100 to 500 words(look up the gish gallop FALLACY) long and if we don't reply to every argument then blah blah blah you won the argument because we ignored evidence, no retard we just won't waste our time on that shit, you copy the points you think are good then paste them here so we can reply easily to them and have other people also know what we're replying to

[TheStrangest]

@doyknowdaway said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

I will tell you one Big secreat. The Love is not created.

Technically love is just a bunch of serotonin, adrenalin and dopamine levels rising in your brain 😑

It have existed ever since and ever before. And was and it is and will be forever.

No you can't have love without brains and specifically brains that use dopamine, serotonin, adrenaline... to feel love otherwise you can't have love and since single cellular life started 3.8 billion years ago and eventually evolved to create neuronal synapses that can transmit chemicals around 850 million years ago and then those chemicals started to include the love ones after a couple million years passed(i don't feel like looking up exactly when but it's before our ancestors evolved 380 million years ago). So no love as we know it is pretty recent compared to the 14 billion year old universe and will be gone once we are extinct

Moving on. Stupid things dont matter. Get yourself a loving life man. We believe not for the good of God, because he doesnt need it.

He doesn't exist as far as we know

We believe because we need Him and his infinite love.

Atheists live without a belief in god and are mostly loving and are surrounded by loving people. We don't need an invisible sky daddy for that shit

And why is there misery in the world

Because that's a pre-set of the world's settings, all species suffer and all we can do is work together to make life more pleasurable

Dont blame God but man for their stupidity

1st we aren't blaming god for anything, you can't blame something whilst not believing in it's existence 😑
2nd we are pointing out that god by the definition you usually give either is impotent(isn't omnipotent), not omniscient, malevolent or doesn't exist like the quotes above state

Have a wondwrful life

Thanks, i think picking up a science textbook might be beneficial to you

[albArselan]

@kaneki-kun not the best one, but if he got an angle from the sky, he will not believe on god as its against his desire to not be asked about his actions.
All cases, if you measured it based on their minds, if god is not exist then we didn't lose anything, but what will happen for him when he discover the existance of god, if its after timeover, it will be his own problem

[albArselan]

@thestrangest
Hi the strangest, I hope you are fine.
Thanks because you couldn't resist joining the discussion, to tell us that you don't like to wast your time in discussing with us.
And yes, you can not answer.
:)

[Kaneki-kun]

@albarselan Hihihi ukr😁, that feeling when all you realize you've been fooled your whole life and still decided to stay foolish after all the help brought from ppl 😄😄😄

[TheStrangest]

@albarselan said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

@kaneki-kun not the best one, but if he got an angle from the sky, he will not believe on god as its against his desire to not be asked about his actions.
All cases, if you measured it based on their minds, if god is not exist then we didn't lose anything, but what will happen for him when he discover the existance of god, if its after timeover, it will be his own problem

Oh not is your English terrible but you're such a cunt too

What you provided here is just a very foggy version of the WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG? argument.

There is no right religion, all religion is made up bullshit. Now when you ask "what if you're wrong?"

What if i'm wrong? sigh

This is a shorter way to say "what about pascal's wager". If you don't remember what pascal's wager is, it basically says

A.Atheism
1.if you don't believe and you are right you lose nothing
2.if you don't believe and you are wrong then you'll burn in hell forever
B.Belief
3.if you do believe and you are right you gain a heaven
4.f you do believe and you are wrong you lose nothing

Here you can clearly say that believing is better than disbelieving because believing provides 2 results, one good(heaven) and one normal(non-existence after death) but disbelief provides 2 results, 1 normal(non-existence after death)and one horrible(burning in hell forever) but the 1st error in this argument is that it assumes that a person chooses what they believe which for anyone after a half second of thought is clearly bullshit.

i didn't chose to be an atheist it happened because i saw no sufficient evidence behind the religious claims, if there was evidence i would believe and of course faith is not a reliable pathway to truth since it can lead you to both true and wrong conclusions with incredible inaccuracy so using it is useless.

What use is there in using an UNRELIABLE PATHWAY TO TRUTH, to believe that something IS TRUE? I rest my case.

2nd error in this argument is that it's like "Oh, either non-belief in this religion or belief in this religion can be correct, there clearly is no other option" and any thinking brain can understand why it is bullshit. 99% of religions say that if you believe in another god than their's you're going to hell. Here is a list of all the versions of hell you can go to if you believe in the "wrong religion" assuming that one of these religions is right at random:

(MYTHOLOGY|Corresponding hell like thingy)
Albanian mythology Ferri
Aztec mythology Mictlan
Babylonian mythology Irkalla
Buddhist mythology Naraka (also Niraya)
Celtic mythology Annwn, Mag Mell
Chinese mythology / taoism Diyu 地獄
Egyptian mythology Aaru, Duat, Neter-khertet, Amenti
Estonian mythology Toonela
Fijian mythology see Melanesian mythology
Finnish mythology Tuonela
Georgian mythology Kveskneli
Germanic Hel, Niflheim
Greek mythology
Main article: Greek underworld
Elysium, Asphodel Meadows, Tártaros
Guanche mythology
Echeide, Guayota

Hindu mythology Naraka or Yamaloka, Patala
Hittite mythology Dankuš daganzipaš (dark earth)
Hopi mythology Maski
Hungarian mythology Alvilág
Inca mythology Uku Pacha
Inuit mythology Adlivun
Islamic mythology Jahannam, Naar, Barzakh, Araf
Jain mythology Naraka, Adho Loka (the lower world)
Japanese mythology/Shinto Yomi 黄泉, Ne-no-Kuni 根の国, Jigoku 地獄
Jewish/Hebrew mythology Sheol, Gehenna, Abaddon, Azazel, Tehom, Tophet, Tzoah Rotachat, Dudael
Korean mythology "Ji-Ok" 지옥 地獄
Latvian mythology Aizsaule
Malay mythology Alam Ghaib (The unseen realm)
Indonesian mythology
Māori mythology Hawaiki, Rarohenga
Mapuche mythology Pellumawida, Degin, Wenuleufu, Ngullchenmaiwe
Maya mythology Metnal, Xibalba
Melanesian mythology (includes Fijian) Bulu, Burotu, Murimuria, Nabagatai, Tuma
Norse mythology Gimlé, Hel, Niflhel, Vingólf
Oromo mythology Ekera
Persian mythology Duzakh
Philippine mythology Kasanaan
Polynesian mythology Avaiki, Bulotu, Iva, Lua-o-Milu, Nga- Atua, Pulotu, Rangi Tuarea, Te Toi-o-nga-Ranga, Uranga-o-Te-Ra
Pueblo mythology Shipap
Roman mythology Inferno, Avernus
Romanian mythology Tărâmul Celălalt
Slavic mythology Nav, Podsvetie, Peklo, Vyraj
Sumerian mythology Dilmun, Kur, Irkalla, Hubur
Turko-Mongol Erlik
Vodou mythology Guinee
Wagawaga (New Guinea) mythology Hiyoyoa
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.
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And millions of others.
Of course non of these including your Jahannam/hell are scientifically backed up so the chance of their existence is miniscule and the chance that all of them including yours are wrong is huge so disbelief would be safe but even if it wasn't safe, a dis-belief can't be wrong even if the thing you don't believe in is true Because aslong as there is no evidence for the thing you disbelieve in you can not chose to believe in it(remember what i said about faith). So you have to see that saying "What if you're wrong" is a very very overused useless argument

[TheStrangest]

@albarselan said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

@thestrangest
Hi the strangest, I hope you are fine.
Thanks because you couldn't resist joining the discussion, to tell us that you don't like to wast your time in discussing with us.
And yes, you can not answer.
:)

You're such a repulsive person.

The reason why I WILL NOT WATCH ANY VIDEOS OR READ ANY ARTICLES THAT ANYBODY SENDS is to enhance the debating experience, you will have to summarise what the videos/articles say WITH TEXT so i can respond WITH TEXT so other people can read what we're saying and join in. That's not it. In fact i already watched the vids but the point is that i am not gonna respond to a vid/article. You have to summarise or express naturally what's in the vid so i can respond to it. The reason is that

1st people can read what the person said and when i respond understand what i am rebuking and talking about

2nd sometimes people send articles/videos when they themselves don't understand what's in the video/article so it helps if they skip a step and just write their interpretation

3rd this makes it easier to avoid gish gallop FALLACIES, look up what a gish gallop FALLACY is.

4th I'll allow sending of videos if the person who is sending them is also summarising what's in the videos/articles by text and rendering the videos/articles optional 😊

This should be clear enough for you to understand

[Alucard]

@kaneki-kun Bitch you're retarded. God doesn't exist, you protestant fuck bucket. You think a Ghoul like you can win against a fuck mothering vampire like me? hell nah. I'ma burn fucking churches, mosques and synagogues and light blunts with the fire, fumes got my head spinning like a fucking tyre.

[Kaneki-kun]

@Alucard ok

[TRose18]

human is.

[SUmof1]

@mcurie God created God