@albarselan said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):
@kaneki-kun not the best one, but if he got an angle from the sky, he will not believe on god as its against his desire to not be asked about his actions.
All cases, if you measured it based on their minds, if god is not exist then we didn't lose anything, but what will happen for him when he discover the existance of god, if its after timeover, it will be his own problem
Oh not is your English terrible but you're such a cunt too
What you provided here is just a very foggy version of the WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG? argument.
There is no right religion, all religion is made up bullshit. Now when you ask "what if you're wrong?"
What if i'm wrong? sigh
This is a shorter way to say "what about pascal's wager". If you don't remember what pascal's wager is, it basically says
A.Atheism
1.if you don't believe and you are right you lose nothing
2.if you don't believe and you are wrong then you'll burn in hell forever
B.Belief
3.if you do believe and you are right you gain a heaven
4.f you do believe and you are wrong you lose nothing
Here you can clearly say that believing is better than disbelieving because believing provides 2 results, one good(heaven) and one normal(non-existence after death) but disbelief provides 2 results, 1 normal(non-existence after death)and one horrible(burning in hell forever) but the 1st error in this argument is that it assumes that a person chooses what they believe which for anyone after a half second of thought is clearly bullshit.
i didn't chose to be an atheist it happened because i saw no sufficient evidence behind the religious claims, if there was evidence i would believe and of course faith is not a reliable pathway to truth since it can lead you to both true and wrong conclusions with incredible inaccuracy so using it is useless.
What use is there in using an UNRELIABLE PATHWAY TO TRUTH, to believe that something IS TRUE? I rest my case.
2nd error in this argument is that it's like "Oh, either non-belief in this religion or belief in this religion can be correct, there clearly is no other option" and any thinking brain can understand why it is bullshit. 99% of religions say that if you believe in another god than their's you're going to hell. Here is a list of all the versions of hell you can go to if you believe in the "wrong religion" assuming that one of these religions is right at random:
(MYTHOLOGY|Corresponding hell like thingy)
Albanian mythology Ferri
Aztec mythology Mictlan
Babylonian mythology Irkalla
Buddhist mythology Naraka (also Niraya)
Celtic mythology Annwn, Mag Mell
Chinese mythology / taoism Diyu 地獄
Egyptian mythology Aaru, Duat, Neter-khertet, Amenti
Estonian mythology Toonela
Fijian mythology see Melanesian mythology
Finnish mythology Tuonela
Georgian mythology Kveskneli
Germanic Hel, Niflheim
Greek mythology
Main article: Greek underworld
Elysium, Asphodel Meadows, Tártaros
Guanche mythology
Echeide, Guayota
Hindu mythology Naraka or Yamaloka, Patala
Hittite mythology Dankuš daganzipaš (dark earth)
Hopi mythology Maski
Hungarian mythology Alvilág
Inca mythology Uku Pacha
Inuit mythology Adlivun
Islamic mythology Jahannam, Naar, Barzakh, Araf
Jain mythology Naraka, Adho Loka (the lower world)
Japanese mythology/Shinto Yomi 黄泉, Ne-no-Kuni 根の国, Jigoku 地獄
Jewish/Hebrew mythology Sheol, Gehenna, Abaddon, Azazel, Tehom, Tophet, Tzoah Rotachat, Dudael
Korean mythology "Ji-Ok" 지옥 地獄
Latvian mythology Aizsaule
Malay mythology Alam Ghaib (The unseen realm)
Indonesian mythology
Māori mythology Hawaiki, Rarohenga
Mapuche mythology Pellumawida, Degin, Wenuleufu, Ngullchenmaiwe
Maya mythology Metnal, Xibalba
Melanesian mythology (includes Fijian) Bulu, Burotu, Murimuria, Nabagatai, Tuma
Norse mythology Gimlé, Hel, Niflhel, Vingólf
Oromo mythology Ekera
Persian mythology Duzakh
Philippine mythology Kasanaan
Polynesian mythology Avaiki, Bulotu, Iva, Lua-o-Milu, Nga- Atua, Pulotu, Rangi Tuarea, Te Toi-o-nga-Ranga, Uranga-o-Te-Ra
Pueblo mythology Shipap
Roman mythology Inferno, Avernus
Romanian mythology Tărâmul Celălalt
Slavic mythology Nav, Podsvetie, Peklo, Vyraj
Sumerian mythology Dilmun, Kur, Irkalla, Hubur
Turko-Mongol Erlik
Vodou mythology Guinee
Wagawaga (New Guinea) mythology Hiyoyoa
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And millions of others.
Of course non of these including your Jahannam/hell are scientifically backed up so the chance of their existence is miniscule and the chance that all of them including yours are wrong is huge so disbelief would be safe but even if it wasn't safe, a dis-belief can't be wrong even if the thing you don't believe in is true Because aslong as there is no evidence for the thing you disbelieve in you can not chose to believe in it(remember what i said about faith). So you have to see that saying "What if you're wrong" is a very very overused useless argument