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@Nibby_Girl hehehehe thankuu
but this post is dedicated to my evil twin
ofc i am good one and she is the evil one

@Bela-Hella thank you

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The Bible may, indeed does, contain a warrant for trafficking in humans, for ethnic cleansing, for slavery, for bride-price, and for indiscriminate massacre, but we are not bound by any of it because it was put together by crude, uncultured human mammals.

@Muslim only Shias are real Muslims, you will know on the day of judgement.

@Sij

The true suffering is the suffering of the mind. Inner peace is more important than external prosperity.

What will a person do with inner peace when he/she is starving getting murdered or raped?
What will you do with inner peace when being different means stoned to death?
What will you do with inner peace when everyone wanna cut each other's throat open coz they believe in different Imaginary friend?

There will always be factors that can destroy the peace of our mind. So, we need a system that can keep our mind happy all the time; a system that can give us inner peace even during our toughest times. We need a system that keep us going; something that helps us to get along in life. We need something that makes us believe that a good day can come; something that makes us believe that true justice is possible; something that makes us believe that an invisible force is helping us; something that makes us self-confident; something that helps us to not take life too seriously; something that makes us believe that all hope is not gone; something that gives us an invisible friend.

We need to be delusional, is that what you are saying?
Rather than making this place a better ourself just belive some imaginary friend will make everything better at the day of judgement or some shit like that?

There will always be people who are sadistic and harmful.

I know one(tbh many) sadistic and harmful imaginary person who wants us to worship him and if we don't believe in him he will torture us eternally.
Isn't this sadistic?

Many people will not be good unless they are given a very good reason to be good. Many people will not stop being corrupt unless they are given a reason. Many people will not stop harming others unless they are given a reason. Many drug-addicted people will not stop being addict unless they are made afraid of some eternal consequences.

Many will not behave well unless they are given a reason. Many people will not help others unless they are given a reason. The rich may not help the poor unless they are given a reason. Many sons will not take care of their old parents unless they are given a reason. Married couples may not be loyal enough to each other unless they are given a reason.

Just remember a golden rule behave as you want to get behaved, why would you need a god in it?
People help others without reason, it's in our gene! That's why we are called social animals coz in past making groups give us benefit hence improving the lifespan of the people who tend to help each other. Rich help poor because they understand their misery, sons take care coz they owe their parents so much, married couples stays together coz their relation is built on trust and they also don't want to get cheated.

These reasons may include some eternal rewards or some eternal consequences. We need a system that gives us the reasons....may be a religion (more precisely, a highly organized and well-defined religion) which will provoke social and moral values along with inner peace...even if to some extent. Experimentally true: religious values(for example, charity) may even lead to economic prosperity and equality.

Well organised religion is the cause of most of the evil, in my opinion. It poisons everything.
We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.
To terrify children with the image of hell, to consider women an inferior creation—is that good for the world?
“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
― Steven Weinberg

@AmirHossein First sir you need to prove that god and afterlife exist.
For that, you have not a single shred of evidence.

@AllAboutGay said in Ways of decreasing suffering!!:

@ChaosKing Homophobia plagues our world. In its many forms, it affects us homosexually, bisexually and pansexually. Little gays dye of homophobia. Gays get raped and murdered...slavery, gay trafficking etc etc .
So,the ways to decrease the suffering is to spread LGBT which will make the world a better place to live in.

I stand in support of LGBT community, indeed they need to be uplifted and also Women Empowerment.
We need our women and LGBT community to have equal status and live their lives with respect and self-confidence.

@sarah "Who" is not the question you should ask, the question should be "How our universe came into existence?". And the answer is we don't know.
We have some hypothesis and the "God Hypothesis" is the worst one, even if it is true it is very less likely that it is created by a god of some organised religion on earth.
Our universe is full of spectacular phenomena and we shouldn't degrade it by saying that some supernatural, sadistic being created it.

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@sarah_the_magpie said in Ways of decreasing suffering!!:

@ChaosKing
i'd say that most of these issues are caused by economic inequality & poverty. improved cooperation between countries, mutual economic aid and transnational enforcement of law might do the trick, although it's certainly going to be a long process

Indeed Economic inequality and poverty is a challenge and has an important role in increasing suffering.

Suffering plagues our world. In its many forms, it affects us physically, psychologically and emotionally, little kids dying of starvation. People get raped and murdered. Slavery, human trafficking etc etc .
So, let's discuss some ways to decrease the suffering and making the world a better place to live in.

@Hyde said in Do you believe in souls?:

I believe in souls since i had a story with one

would love to know the story.

@pe7erpark3r i am replying really late. xD

Science at this point is not sure about why time runs forward. From the point of view of relativity you have four dimensions and you can compute everything forward or backward. There is no reason in relativity theory for why time should run forward. Thus one of the explicatory models for why time runs forward is entropy, for it always increases in one direction (forward in time).

The argument was that if information could run backwards in time, then entropy would increase backwards too. This obviously should not happen. Thus knowing the future contradicts the increase of entropy forward in time.

But you are perfectly right, there should be no need for even referencing why knowing the future could be supernatural. Knowing the future (if it was really so) would be evidence for something supernatural going on.

The thermodynamic arrow of time will describe it better, the arrow of time is the "one-way direction" or "asymmetry" of time. The thermodynamic arrow of time is provided by the second law of thermodynamics, which says that in an isolated system, entropy tends to increase with time. Entropy can be thought of as a measure of microscopic disorder; thus the second law implies that time is asymmetrical with respect to the amount of order in an isolated system: as a system advances through time, it becomes more statistically disordered. This asymmetry can be used empirically to distinguish between future and past, though measuring entropy does not accurately measure time. Also, in an open system, entropy can decrease with time.
If time were perfectly symmetrical, a video of real events would seem realistic whether played forwards or backwards. Gravity, for example, is a time-reversible force. A ball that is tossed up, slows to a stop, and falls is a case where recordings would look equally realistic forwards and backwards. The system is T-symmetrical. However, the process of the ball bouncing and eventually coming to a stop is not time-reversible. While going forward, kinetic energy is dissipated and entropy is increased. Entropy may be one of the few processes that is not time-reversible. According to the statistical notion of increasing entropy, the "arrow" of time is identified with a decrease of free energy.
Surely I agree that science is not sure bout lots of stuff but that doesn't make anything supernatural more valid, this is an argument from ignorance.

Have you ever talked to someone who claims to have known when a loved one died? The ones I talked to have made a convincing case, and they were normal people with normal lives who did not fear all day that something bad would happen.

So, unless you can counter each and every such experience (and not just the soldier and his wife fearing) it would be irrational to not call this evidence. It is not proof, I fully agree, because for every single instance alone there might be another explanation, but with so many cases calling it evidence is perfectly reasonable.

Again even if what you are saying is true, let's say they somehow claim that they know that something bad was gonna happen or had happened. First of all, this is only a claim. Secondly, the burden of proof lies on you and the one who is making the claim that they knew coz people tends to make lots of stories after something had happened it's in our nature.
I dunno if you have played this game or not when you were a kid, we used to sit in circle then one kid tells a story and when it returned back to them the story becomes totally different.

Don't just go ahead and claim things without any verification. In recent years there have been lots of muslims who had visions of Jesus and converted to christianity because of this. In fact in history there have been many accounts of people converting from other faiths to christianity, because of a vision like this. It actually happens a lot. And it also happens with near death experiences.

And there are lots of Christians who have converted to Islam coz had visions of Muhammad or to Hinduism coz they have visions of Krishna or Vishnu or Shiva. There are lots of Christians who think that Joseph Smith is their lord saviour, they are also known as Mormons.

But yes, I concede that there might be other explanations. However since you cannot prove that other explanations are the correct explanation, it is perfectly reasonable to call this evidence, since evidence, just like in any criminal case, can point in multiple directions.

I am not claiming anything, you're the one who is making claims so you have to provide explanations.
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -Christopher Hitchens

Please think it trough properly. Things don't come out of nowhere. Existence is a mystery. There should be nothing, not even the possibility of something happening. Something does not come from nothing.

Yes I do know about quantum particles being created in what we call "nothing". (I add the quotes, because we actually don't understand the quantum world properly yet. We still have no quantum-gravity and we don't know how space time is related to quantum mechanics. So we are not sure about this nothing really, but thats not the actual point. The actual point is: ) Quantum particles are created all the time. There is nature to it. This is not a possibility of anything happening, it is a possibility of something very specific happening. There is a reason this happens.

So there is something, even if that something is this quantum nature which we don't understand yet. Something is there even if that something is not matter but a nature or a possibility. And from this comes something else, particles, a zero sum game.

So something does not come from nothing, something does not happen without a reason, only without a cause (at least it seems that way in the quantum world).

Maybe I'm making this a bit too complicated here. Maybe I should just say: there should be nothing. There should not even be the possibility of something. But there is something. And this something seems completely regular, logical, mathematical. So it is there for a reason. It cannot be there for no reason. It could not be there without the possiblity of being there.

I agree that we don't know everything yet, we haven't solved the realm of quantum mechanics and yes there are bubbles of energy surges in empty space what we call "nothing" matter and anti-matter get created all the time. But this is a game of probability, there is no reason for anything to happen and the reason isn't surely some primates living on a small planet in a distant corner of milky way galaxy. We are nothing more than a speck of dust in time and space.
So all the organised religions whose gods interfere in the lives of these primates are totally made by those primates and are nothing more than delusions.

Thus it cannot be, that there "once" (or before time or outside of time) was nothing. Something must have always (or rather eternally) been there, even if that something is just the nature of things.

I used the word eternal for a reason. Eternal does not mean: time that stretches forever into the past and forever into the future. Eternal would also be something that was not inside this universe, not inside time (because time is space-time, it clearly began at the big-bang according to our understanding of it – which is a consensus among scientists).

So, something must be eternal, or else there would not be anything. This something can either be nature (A quantum world from which universes pop out is one example of such an eternal nature) or it can be God.

I agree that there must be something outside our time and space that caused Bigbang to happen, but we have no evidence to state that it was "eternal" or "supernatural" and we can never know what it is (it seems like that for now but maybe our technology can advance to a level that we can see or know it), but if that something whatever it is exists, it can not interfere in our space and time.

So, something must be eternal, or else there would not be anything. This something can either be nature (A quantum world from which universes pop out is one example of such an eternal nature) or it can be God.

There is no "we don't know". We don't know how this universe came to be yes. But we do know that nature (from which this universe came to be) must be eternal, if we do not want to assume God.

No, it doesn't have to be eternal, everything will exist even if it is not eternal. This something is what we don't know and it has more probability of being a giant teapot rather than a god coz at least there is evidence that teapot exists, and the probability of it being one of the gods made up by our religions is almost zero.

Nobody did. That is the point. God is his own reason, or he has no reason. This fact, as you can clearly see, makes him irrational. Right?

If there is no God, then what is the reason for being? Nature itself. Ergo, nature itself is its own reason, or has no reason. This makes nature irrational in the same sense as God would be irrational. I hope this makes the argument clearer.

Well according to your own reasoning something can't come out from nothing so surely god cant come out of nothing.
There is no reason for being. Again all you are doing is making claims, so many claims without any scientific evidence. And how would you know that the god is a "he"?
As Carl Sagan said “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

You simply dismiss evidence by countering it each with a single argument. But evidence, just like in a criminal case, often cannot be dismissed this easily. Sometimes, just like in a criminal case, you will never know if something really is evidence or not. And as long as you cannot disprove beyond doubt that something is evidence, it is perfectly rational and fine to call it so. So don't BS me!

Well all the evidence you showed worth nothing and proves nothing, by all due respect present these so-called "evidence" in front of some scientists and win a Nobel prize or something

In the end, I will quote Richard Dawkins
“It's been suggested that if the super-naturalists really had the powers they claim, they'd win the lottery every week. I prefer to point out that they could also win a Nobel Prize for discovering fundamental physical forces hitherto unknown to science. Either way, why are they wasting their talents doing party turns on television?

By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out.”
― Richard Dawkins

@petrapark3r first of all sorry for the late reply, haven't been here much.

• Many people frequently experience knowing things in advance in their life, I don't know what you are talking about but I have not known a single person who can see the future. Using complex words like entropy and stuff doesn't make it the right argument. "Entropy is the measure of a system’s thermal energy per unit temperature that is unavailable for doing useful work." In simple words, entropy is a measure of disorder in the sense that all systems tend to, on their own, become less ordered. I don't know how it is related to your argument.
• Well that's coz people almost think every day that something bad happened to their loved once, take an example of a soldier, soldiers do work in a dangerous situation, and their family members know that so these bad thoughts keep coming in their mind and if something bad happens it doesn't mean that something supernatural communicated to them to tell that something bad happened with their loved one.
• There is lots of evidence, lots and lots, to support that the human brain creates illusions and hallucination when it is under stress. Anyway if you are a Hindu you will see Lord Krishna, if you're a Christian you will see Jesus or Yahweh (mostly Jesus) if you're a Muslim you will see Muhammad or Allah, can't you see how every near-death experience depends on your religion. I also had some hallucinations a while ago and I can't blame them, it feels so real.
• First of all multiverse theory is still a hypothesis it's not yet a scientific theory, and I am pretty sure it doesn't say the universe is eternal it states that there may be multiple or even an infinite number of universes. Please get your facts correct. There are not "ONLY TWO OPTIONS". Please learn to say we don't know, coz we don't know the origin of the universe yet, that's the only place God is hiding rn. Please tell me who created the GOD? You are answering a simple question with another question if God created the universe who created god? The universe will be irrational, what does that even mean?
  Not a single word you said is evidence it is BS....

@Mr-Ghost the question should be, "do you believe in god or not?"