Is god real? Your thoughts

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@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
How come you have to snapshot everything and ok i mean I was trying to be nice about everything u people are funny you take a conversation so seriously

https://youtu.be/iBV3eqvQPJs

I have one question though what made you believe what you believe.

Atheism is a disbelief not a belief, sigh.

I told you what made me believe what I believed and you making it a big deal.

As far as i understood the only reason you believe is that your dad indoctrinated(mindwashed) you.

why do you feel the extensive need for proof.

Because a rational and educated person believes things only for good reasons. A good reason or to an extent one of the only good reasons is to believe things on evidence. Faith is bullshit and no reasonable person would ever believe anything on faith.

[TheStrangest]

@love_to_love_ Since faith leads you randomly true and false things randomly and with incredible inaccuracy then here's my question. Is faith a reliable pathway to truth? No. So faith is useless and pointless. Why would anyone use faith to believe something is true since faith isn't a reliable pathway to truth

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
So you believe that nobody plus nothing equals everything.
Are you absolutely sure there is not god? Just because you can’t see something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You can’t see atoms but we all know it exist it’s the same thing with god. In the light of the Big Bang that scientists think what mad the universe. Is it reasonable to believe that no one created something out of nothing or someone like cod created something out of nothing.

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@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

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Because you were questioning me. I have some questions for you.

Sure

1.) Have you ever asked yourself what if you were wrong and what if there was a heaven and hell.

What if i'm wrong? sigh

This is a shorter way to say "what about pascal's wager". If you don't remember whar pascal's wager is, it basically says

A.Atheism
1.if you don't believe and you are right you lose nothing
2.if you don't believe and you are wrong then you'll burn in hell forever
B.Belief
3.if you do believe and you gain a heaven
4.f you do believe and you are wrong you lose nothing

Here you can clearly say that believing is better than disbelieving but the 1st error in this argument is that it assumes that a person chooses what they believe which for anyone after a half second of thought is clearly bullshit.

i didn't chose to be an atheist it happened because i say no sufficient evidence behind the religious claims, if there was evidence i would believe and of course faith is not a reliable pathway to truth since it can lead you to true and wrong conclusions with incredible inaccuracy so using it is useless.

2nd error in this argument is that it's like "Oh, either non-belief can be correct, there clearly is no other option" and any thinking brain can understand why it is bullshit. You can be wrong about

(MYTHOLOGY|Corresponding hell like thingy)
Albanian mythology Ferri
Aztec mythology Mictlan
Babylonian mythology Irkalla
Buddhist mythology Naraka (also Niraya)
Celtic mythology Annwn, Mag Mell
Chinese mythology / taoism Diyu 地獄
Egyptian mythology Aaru, Duat, Neter-khertet, Amenti
Estonian mythology Toonela
Fijian mythology see Melanesian mythology
Finnish mythology Tuonela
Georgian mythology Kveskneli
Germanic Hel, Niflheim
Greek mythology
Main article: Greek underworld
Elysium, Asphodel Meadows, Tártaros
Guanche mythology
Echeide, Guayota

Hindu mythology Naraka or Yamaloka, Patala
Hittite mythology Dankuš daganzipaš (dark earth)
Hopi mythology Maski
Hungarian mythology Alvilág
Inca mythology Uku Pacha
Inuit mythology Adlivun
Islamic mythology Jahannam, Naar, Barzakh, Araf
Jain mythology Naraka, Adho Loka (the lower world)
Japanese mythology/Shinto Yomi 黄泉, Ne-no-Kuni 根の国, Jigoku 地獄
Jewish/Hebrew mythology Sheol, Gehenna, Abaddon, Azazel, Tehom, Tophet, Tzoah Rotachat, Dudael
Korean mythology "Ji-Ok" 지옥 地獄
Latvian mythology Aizsaule
Malay mythology Alam Ghaib (The unseen realm)
Indonesian mythology
Māori mythology Hawaiki, Rarohenga
Mapuche mythology Pellumawida, Degin, Wenuleufu, Ngullchenmaiwe
Maya mythology Metnal, Xibalba
Melanesian mythology (includes Fijian) Bulu, Burotu, Murimuria, Nabagatai, Tuma
Norse mythology Gimlé, Hel, Niflhel, Vingólf
Oromo mythology Ekera
Persian mythology Duzakh
Philippine mythology Kasanaan
Polynesian mythology Avaiki, Bulotu, Iva, Lua-o-Milu, Nga- Atua, Pulotu, Rangi Tuarea, Te Toi-o-nga-Ranga, Uranga-o-Te-Ra
Pueblo mythology Shipap
Roman mythology Inferno, Avernus
Romanian mythology Tărâmul Celălalt
Slavic mythology Nav, Podsvetie, Peklo, Vyraj
Sumerian mythology Dilmun, Kur, Irkalla, Hubur
Turko-Mongol Erlik
Vodou mythology Guinee
Wagawaga (New Guinea) mythology Hiyoyoa
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And of course non-of these incliding your 'hell' are scientifically backed up so the chance of their existence is miniscule and the chance that all of them including yours are wrong is huge so disbelief would safe but even if it wasn't safe a dis-belief can't be wrong even if the thing you don't believe in is true aslong as there is no evidence for the thing you disbelieve in.
So you have to see that saying "What if you're wrong" is a very very overused useless argument

[TheStrangest]

@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
2.) what happens if you die and what proof of belief do you have.

I don't know what happens after a person dies and you don't either but as far as we know you are/ your consciousness is most likely just neurons that will stop working together after you die therefore you A.K.A. your consciousness will be gone after you die just like it never existed before you were born.

3.) conclusion and last but not least if a human is just a process of random Chemical process over millions of years then how a nonbeliever be so sure there atheism properly represents reality.

The stupidist thing i ever heard in my life. Atheism is not a belief system, it is not a world view, it is a lack of belief in a god and only that. If your question is, how can i be sure that gid doesn't exist? My answer is that you can never be absolutely certain of anything so i can't know for sure. Infact i do not KNOW if god exists or not but neither do i know if unicorns exist or not but since there is 0 good reasons to believe that they do i do not believe they do. Most atheidts are agnostic atheists like me which means atheists that do not KNOW if god exists or not (Agnostic, which is the opposite of gnostic meaning a person who knows) but still disbelieve in god (Atheist which is the lack of theism which means the belief in god)

[TheStrangest]

@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
So you believe that nobody plus nothing equals everything.

Look at my profile pic. That's me 100% of the time whilst reading what you say. Where do you believe god came from? Oh right, nowhere. So you believe that something that came from nothing created everything. Sigh

On the other hand i do not know where everything came from but as physics shows it is physically possible for the whole universe to originate from nothing and there are many scientific books on the topic like "A universe from nothing" by Quantum Physicist lawrence Krauss, i do not know where the universe came from but as far as science has shown god comes as far as you can get to the last place of the possible origins of the universe.

Are you absolutely sure there is not god?

No just like i am not absolutely sure unicorns d't exist

Just because you can’t see something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Of course. I never said i don't believe in god because i can't see him. I said i don't believe in god because there is no good evidence to believe that he exists which can come in many many forms not just being able to see thingq, infact being able to see something isn't evidence that it exists, you have to repeatedly prove that no matter where, how, what, who you are you can always see the thing and repeat that a couple hundred to thousand times to make it actual scientific evidence.

You can’t see atoms but we all know it exist it’s the same thing with god.

No it is not. I'll repeat myself.

infact being able to see something isn't evidence that it exists, you have to repeatedly prove that no matter where, how, what, who you are you can always test the existence of the thing, recieve positive results and repeat that a couple hundred to thousand times to make it actual scientific evidence. There is that for atoms but not god.

In the light of the Big Bang that scientists think what mad the universe.

you have to repeatedly prove that no matter where, how, what, who you are you can always test the existence/remains that can be traced back to the existence of the thing, recieve positive results and repeat that a couple hundred to thousand times to make it actual scientific evidence. We know the big bang happened and how it happened by a complex tracing back of radiation and a srudy of the movement of the universe. Do we know what/if there was the thing (s) before the big bang but that doesn’t mean that you know, it means that for now, noone knows.

Is it reasonable to believe that no one created something out of nothing or someone like god created something out of nothing.

I'll just copy/paste what i already said with some edits

Where do you believe god came from? Oh right, nowhere. So you believe that something that came from nothing created everything. Sigh

On the other hand we might never know where the universe came from but in that case we are still not justified in believing made up things on faith but we should be at peace with our ignorance and limitations and even if we can't be at peace with our ignorance that still doesn’t give you the right to believe made up things on faith, for now we do not know where everything came from but as physics shows it is physically possible for the whole universe to originate from nothing and there are many scientific books on the topic like "A universe from nothing" by Quantum Physicist lawrence Krauss, i do not know where the universe came from but as far as science has shown god comes as far as you can get to the last place on the ranking of the possible origins of the universe.

[FWBandy]

No I don't but if you asked me if what happened to Jesus happened then yes I do but I don't beleave in "life after death" once ya dead ya dead simple as that

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
Without god we’re do you get your mortality from? If there is no god how does you life have any meaning? Were did the universe come from if it didn’t come from god? If there is no god then why does every society have a religion? Isn’t atheism just a religion? What’s the point of atheist groups how can you have a community for something you don’t believe in?

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@thestrangest
What’s the point in an atheist group you can have a community for something you don’t believe in. How can you be moral without god. How do you have any meaning in your life? Is atheism just a religion? Why do you hate God or you just angry God? Does the universe have a beginning that requires a ca does the universe have a beginning requires a cause that’s not god if so what is that cause?

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@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

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Without god we’re do you get your mortality from?

A careful subjective concideration of the consequences of my objective actions on the well being of living creatures using my scientific education and logic.

If you believe in the god of the bible then who are you to tell me where i get my morals from. If you believe in the bible you believe in a book that supports slavery, violence, sexism, homophobia, sadomasochism...did you not read the verses i mentioned

If there is no god how does you life have any meaning?

You give your own life meaning. Actually if there is no afterlife and no god then your life literally becomes infinetly more meaningful since there is no point to a life if it is just endless existence with no general purpose other than the one god apparently gave you, i don't know about you but i find the idea of being uncontrollably immortal to be boring and dull.

Were did the universe come from if it didn’t come from god?

I'll just copy paste my last answer that you clearly did not fucking read if you are asking this question again.

Where do you believe god came from? Oh right, nowhere. So you believe that something that came from nothing created everything. Sigh

On the other hand we might never know where the universe came from but in that case we are still not justified in believing made up things on faith but we should be at peace with our ignorance and limitations and even if we can't be at peace with our ignorance that still doesn’t give you the right to believe made up things on faith, for now we do not know where everything came from but as physics shows it is physically possible for the whole universe to originate from nothing and there are many scientific books on the topic like "A universe from nothing" by Quantum Physicist lawrence Krauss, i do not know where the universe came from but as far as science has shown god comes as far as you can get to the last place on the ranking of the possible origins of the universe.

If there is no god then why does every society have a religion?

If you think that the number of people who believe something makes it any less or more true then you stupeh, by your logic "If the earth is not flat then why does every society believe the earth is flat" is proof that the earth is flat if used in any year before around 500-600 C.E.

And no in nordic countries the population is over 80% atheist and they ofcourse have the best test scors on éducation, teen pregnancy rates, healthy body fat percentages....

Isn’t atheism just a religion?

No. Atheism is just not believing in a god. Only that and nothing else. Theism means the belief in god/ a diety and atheism means the lack of belief in a god/diety. A religion is a belief system centered around a god/diety so no by definition your statement is stupeh, If you want to believe that atheism is a religion go ahead but that's like believing being bald is a haircut.

What’s the point of atheist groups how can you have a community for something you don’t believe in?

You fight against the belief in a god or just talk about things like science, equality, securalism which all benefit society but are highly discouraged by people who do believe in a god/diety

P.S. look here, you are clearly asking questions again and again and again with answers i already gave you so if you are not reading my replies stop talking to me

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@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
What’s the point in an atheist group you can have a community for something you don’t believe in. How can you be moral without god. How do you have any meaning in your life? Is atheism just a religion?

OMF gooodneesss why are you repeating the same exact fucking questions. Did you run out of questions. Just read the answers i gave in my last reply. Seriously wtf

I will just copy/paste my previous answers

What’s the point in an atheist group you can have a community for something you don’t believe in?

You fight against the belief in a god or just talk about things like science, equality, securalism which all benefit society but are highly discouraged by people who do believe in a god/diety.

How can you be moral without god. How do you have any meaning in your life? Is atheism just a religion?

A careful subjective concideration of the consequences of my objective actions on the well being of living creatures using my scientific education and logic.

If you believe in the god of the bible then who are you to tell me where i get my morals from. If you believe in the bible you believe in a book that supports slavery, violence, sexism, homophobia, sadomasochism...did you not read the verses i mentioned

EDIT:here are the verses i was referring to

1st the truth is not a matter of opinion
2nd thing, you do not have proof that the bible was written/commanded to be written by a god THEREFORE until there is evidence there is no good reason to believe in such BS. There is no good reason to believe in a god and of course faith which by définition a belief without evidence is useless thing and should never be used, why you ask?

Well let's start by talking about faith.
i didn't chose to be an atheist it happened because i say no sufficient evidence behind the religious claims, if there was evidence i would believe and of course faith is not a reliable pathway to truth since it can lead you to true and wrong conclusions with incredible inaccuracy so using it is useless.

Any way i have proof that the Bible is Sexist, Violent... and that it's unlikely that an invisible man in the sky commanded its writting, My proof is that an all loving, all good god wouldn't have ordered man to write down all of these things in his book:

SEXISM

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

HOMOPHOBIA

“In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)

VIOLENCE AND SADOMASOCHISM(loving a person you feer):

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

“Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)

“And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)

‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)

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SLAVERY

Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.

Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word “servant”, “bondservant”, or “manservant” instead of “slave” to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn’t mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?

The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and has sex with them!

What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don’t die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn’t know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

And these are just a couple of verses

P.S. usually  after i show a Christian these verses he tells me that it doesn't matter because most of these are in the old testament, well the 10 commandments are also in the old testament so do you also not want the 10 commandements? And by the way, there are no scenarios where a just and all good god would say “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” or “In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” or “Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” and a lot of other verses. And if you are going to say that you don't believe in these verses because they are in the old testament (by the way there are verses i mentioned outside the old testament but k) you'd have to say that you also don't believe in the 10 commandments since they are also in the old testament

Why do you hate God or you just angry God?

Oh a new question. I do not hate god or angry that would be rediculous, i do not believe god exists therefore i can not hate his existence stupeh. I hate that people are stupid enough to believe in fairy tales like god and hurt themselves and their societies with their mental masturbation.

Does the universe have a beginning that requires a ca does the universe have a beginning requires a cause that’s not god if so what is that cause?

Wtf. This is the 4th time you've asked this question. Stop asking the same questions, you clearly did not read any of my previous answers so this is just getting disrespectful and wasting my time. I'll copy paste the same answer again if you want

"Where do you believe god came from? Oh right, nowhere. So you believe that something that came from nothing created everything. Sigh

On the other hand we might never know where the universe came from but in that case we are still not justified in believing made up things on faith but we should be at peace with our ignorance and limitations and even if we can't be at peace with our ignorance that still doesn’t give you the right to believe made up things on faith, for now we do not know where everything came from but as physics shows it is physically possible for the whole universe to originate from nothing and there are many scientific books on the topic like "A universe from nothing" by Quantum Physicist lawrence Krauss, i do not know where the universe came from but as far as science has shown god comes as far as you can get to the last place on the ranking of the possible origins of the universe.

[TheStrangest]

You are clearly not reading my replies so stop asking questions and wasting my time

[Wolfie C.]

@topics27 Gods real or fake, who cares!

[Black_Beetle]

Yes of course!! Our parents are the real living gods!

[Love_to_love_.]

@thestrangest
It was on accident sorry

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@atharva said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@topics27 Gods real or fake, who cares!

Sure

[TheStrangest]

@atharva said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@topics27 Gods real or fake, who cares!

People who care about what's true or not. Like me

[TheStrangest]

@love_to_love_ said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

@thestrangest
It was on accident sorry

If you have anything left to say you better spend the 8-15 min it takes to read all the things i told you because if you ask anything that i already explained in the last 3 pages of this post i will just ignore you unless you are asking me for clarification on one of my replies. Ask new things or for clearification on something and i will happily answer.

[AlexTheAlien]

im god :)))))))

[tinamaybe]

God is an idea. He is by default an entity that is not tangible but that does not mean he is not real. He is real bc people believe he is real and that belief has an impact on their life. But God as a physical being is a lie. Bc no man is sth more than a human. And we all are just more developed mammals.