If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists)


  • @sumof1 wow it took me a whole hour to reply to you? Shit


  • You do realize that asking this is illogical if you mean by god an ultimate uncreated being that creates things...
    Also, your backdrop says “believe in science” that’s like believing in alternative facts. Science is evidence not a faith and you should never believe it but verify or falsify it depending on your position on the role of the scientific method.
    I understand the frustration your question is underlining. Because there is no exact proof of an ultimate creator and then people who believe in one ask you a question similar to what is outside of your system of thought? And expect you to prove their belief for them. Belief is rational and reasonable at times but there is no evidence for it.


  • @joewindsurf said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

    You do realize that asking this is illogical if you mean by god an ultimate uncreated being that creates things...

    No, it isn't illogic, it is a question that points out the special pleading fallacy in the religious argument saying that no-one created god

    Also, your backdrop says “believe in science” that’s like believing in alternative facts. Science is evidence not a faith and you should never believe it but verify or falsify it depending on your position on the role of the scientific method.

    You can disbelieve in the scientific method, that's what the "believe in Science" statement discourages. For example a lot of religious people don't believe in Evolution nor the Big Bang which if we go back in their past far enough, eventually we'll find that they don't because of a lack of understanding and belief in the scientific method. Btw are you suggesting that somehow faith can be used at the same time as alternative fact?

    When we use the 2nd meaning(from the definition of faith in the dictionary):strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.

    Do you NEED faith to believe in your religion, as in, can you believe in your religion without faith?

    Usually the answer is no

    i didn't chose to be an atheist, it happened because i saw no sufficient evidence behind the religious claims, if there was evidence i would believe and of course faith is not a reliable pathway to truth since it can lead you to true and wrong conclusions with incredible inaccuracy so using it is useless

    Why use an UNRELIABLE PATHWAY TO TRUTH to believe that something is TRUE. I don't thank that's a good idea

    I understand the frustration your question is underlining. Because there is no exact proof of an ultimate creator and then people who believe in one ask you a question similar to what is outside of your system of thought?

    Outside my system of thought? I have never heard such a question not do i even know what it means

    And expect you to prove their belief for them. Belief is rational and reasonable at times but there is no evidence for it.

    I don't see how it can ever be without proof, by the way you're being really vague


  • @thestrangest You’re the one who thinks that he doesn’t believe in God, why would he even mention God when he was being interviewed on the beginning of the universe why would he bring up something so controversial. His claims are a bit contradictory but that i think is because he doesn’t want it to be true. Astrophysicists are scientists so i don’t know why you would separate them. And Stephen Hawking played a very big rolein quantum physics, he’s the one who invented quantum chess. Not to mention he specialized in black holes, which is branched as ‘quantum mechanics’ ‘quantum’ ‘q u a n t u m’ which makes him a quantum scientist, the same way you call someone a mathematician because they use a lot of maths in their work.

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    @sumof1 said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

    @thestrangest You’re the one who thinks that he doesn’t believe in God

    YOU CUNTTTTTT. HE SAID IT HIMSELF YOU RETARD:

    Did you not watch the video?

    why would he even mention God when he was being interviewed on the beginning of the universe why would he bring up something so controversial

    Because the question involved the role of god in the universe, i watched that interview too you know.

    His claims are a bit contradictory but that i think is because he doesn’t want it to be true

    HIS CLAIMS ARE NOT CONTRADICTORY, what argument can you give for that assertion? And something can't be "a bit" contradictory, it either is or isn't.

    Astrophysicists are scientists so i don’t know why you would separate them

    Because in science there are different fields and Astrophysics and Quantum Physics are completely different. All scientific contributions are equal and you shouldn't dismiss someone's findings because they're less knowm

    And Stephen Hawking played a very big rolein quantum physics

    In quantum gravity m8, what Lawrence Krauss's work focusses on is completely different, they work in different fields

    he’s the one who invented quantum chess. Not to mention he specialized in black holes, which is branched as ‘quantum mechanics’ ‘quantum’ ‘q u a n t u m’ which makes him a quantum scientist

    M8, his degree is in cosmology and astrophysics, the point is that they work on completely different things which are not interconnected

    The same way you call someone a mathematician because they use a lot of maths in their work

    LOL, that's exactly what you don't do, you call someone by their profession not what they can or can't do, if so then everyone should be called a philosopher


  • @thestrangest Definition of a mathematician: A mathematician is someone who uses an extensive knowledge of mathematics in his or her work, typically to solve mathematical problems. Mathematics is concerned with numbers, data, quantity, structure, space, models, and change


  • @sumof1 said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

    @thestrangest Definition of a mathematician: A mathematician is someone who uses an extensive knowledge of mathematics in his or her work, typically to solve mathematical problems. Mathematics is concerned with numbers, data, quantity, structure, space, models, and change

    Every scientist is a mathematician but that's not what you should call them, because mathematicians do more advanced math than scientists


  • @thestrangest Definition of a mathematician: A mathematician is someone who uses an extensive knowledge of mathematics in his or her work, typically to solve mathematical problems. Mathematics is concerned with numbers, data, quantity, structure, space, models, and change


  • @sumof1 said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

    @thestrangest Definition of a mathematician: A mathematician is someone who uses an extensive knowledge of mathematics in his or her work, typically to solve mathematical problems. Mathematics is concerned with numbers, data, quantity, structure, space, models, and change

    Every scientist is a mathematician but that's not what you should call them, because mathematicians do more advanced math than scientists. Scientists focus on different problems than mathematicians, mathematicians these days focus on pure maths and scientists focus on applied maths


  • @sumof1 that's why, to avoid confusion, you should call a scientist with the name of their field


  • @thestrangest Definition of a mathematician: A mathematician is someone who uses an extensive knowledge of mathematics in his or her work, typically to solve mathematical problems. Mathematics is concerned with numbers, data, quantity, structure, space, models, and change


  • @sumof1 you do understand that repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make you right


  • @sumof1 Every scientist is a mathematician but that's not what you should call them, because mathematicians do more advanced math than scientists. Scientists focus on different problems than mathematicians, mathematicians these days focus on pure maths and scientists focus on applied maths. that's why, to avoid confusion, you should call a scientist with the name of their field
    Every scientist is a mathematician but that's not what you should call them, because mathematicians do more advanced math than scientists. Scientists focus on different problems than mathematicians, mathematicians these days focus on pure maths and scientists focus on applied maths. that's why, to avoid confusion, you should call a scientist with the name of their field
    Every scientist is a mathematician but that's not what you should call them, because mathematicians do more advanced math than scientists. Scientists focus on different problems than mathematicians, mathematicians these days focus on pure maths and scientists focus on applied maths. that's why, to avoid confusion, you should call a scientist with the name of their field
    Every scientist is a mathematician but that's not what you should call them, because mathematicians do more advanced math than scientists. Scientists focus on different problems than mathematicians, mathematicians these days focus on pure maths and scientists focus on applied maths. that's why, to avoid confusion, you should call a scientist with the name of their field
    Every scientist is a mathematician but that's not what you should call them, because mathematicians do more advanced math than scientists. Scientists focus on different problems than mathematicians, mathematicians these days focus on pure maths and scientists focus on applied maths. that's why, to avoid confusion, you should call a scientist with the name of their field
    Every scientist is a mathematician but that's not what you should call them, because mathematicians do more advanced math than scientists. Scientists focus on different problems than mathematicians, mathematicians these days focus on pure maths and scientists focus on applied maths. that's why, to avoid confusion, you should call a scientist with the name of their field
    Every scientist is a mathematician but that's not what you should call them, because mathematicians do more advanced math than scientists. Scientists focus on different problems than mathematicians, mathematicians these days focus on pure maths and scientists focus on applied maths. that's why, to avoid confusion, you should call a scientist with the name of their field
    Every scientist is a mathematician but that's not what you should call them, because mathematicians do more advanced math than scientists. Scientists focus on different problems than mathematicians, mathematicians these days focus on pure maths and scientists focus on applied maths. that's why, to avoid confusion, you should call a scientist with the name of their field
    Every scientist is a mathematician but that's not what you should call them, because mathematicians do more advanced math than scientists. Scientists focus on different problems than mathematicians, mathematicians these days focus on pure maths and scientists focus on applied maths. that's why, to avoid confusion, you should call a scientist with the name of their field
    Every scientist is a mathematician but that's not what you should call them, because mathematicians do more advanced math than scientists. Scientists focus on different problems than mathematicians, mathematicians these days focus on pure maths and scientists focus on applied maths. that's why, to avoid confusion, you should call a scientist with the name of their field
    Every scientist is a mathematician but that's not what you should call them, because mathematicians do more advanced math than scientists. Scientists focus on different problems than mathematicians, mathematicians these days focus on pure maths and scientists focus on applied maths. that's why, to avoid confusion, you should call a scientist with the name of their field


  • @sumof1 i can do the same


  • @sumof1 but if you continue I'll just ignore you because you're a waste of my time in such a case


  • @thestrangest do you understand that copying someone makes you a copycat


  • @thestrangest i am right, it’ll take too long to get you to understand, i’ll go head to head with you on debates after the 7th of June, right now i don’t have a lot of free time everyday

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    @sumof1 said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

    @thestrangest do you understand that copying someone makes you a copycat

    You do realise that repeating the same shit over and over again to remove any merit to the legitimacy of an argument is a dirty move and I'm free to fire back with whatever i want. I can literally just repeat "suck my dick" over and over again


  • @thestrangest suck my dick


  • @sumof1 said in If god created the universe, then who created god? (question for theists):

    @thestrangest i am right, it’ll take too long to get you to understand, i’ll go head to head with you on debates after the 7th of June, right now i don’t have a lot of free time everyday

    You are right. All scientists are mathematicians but that's not what you should call them, because mathematicians do more advanced math than scientists. Scientists focus on different problems than mathematicians, mathematicians these days focus on pure maths and scientists focus on applied maths. that's why, to avoid confusion, you should call a scientist with the name of their field