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  • @Lurker For a Christian perspective the known (or unknown) Jesus stated that "the house of the Father has many mansions". Now if there is a creator and the universe would be his work then in this "house" would the dwellings be the infinite orbs to fill these multiverse? Again this man stated that "My Father continues to work until now, and I am also working." Now if there is a dynamic and incessant creation (the universe is expanding as our scientists and new quasars and black holes are formed from stars, "recycling energy and materials), then newly created souls are sown in various orbs not in the biological conformation we call life, but in other expressions unknown to us and inaccessible to our more advanced technological apparatuses.) Souls of human conditions would have the possibility of transmigrating to different orbs to complete their evolutionary experiences, "opening an infinite fan of possibilities "and contributing to less advanced civilizations, as might have happened with the emergence of Homo sapiens and the cultural explosion of the ancient civilizations of radiance, bringing a legacy for the exponential evolution of our terrestrial humanity, whether with Cheops, Imhotep, Hatshepsut, Epicurus , Pythagoras, Socrates, Ieshua, Julius Caesar, Siddhartha Gautama, Lao Tzu, Confucius, Mohammed, Al Jazari, Leonardo Da Vinci, Galileo Galilei, Isaac Newton, Cristovao Colombo, Robert Koch, Einstein, Marie Curie, Pestalozzi, Bonaparte and Stephen Hawking, just to name a few of the souls who contributed to move forward the terrestrial humanity.
    I think of our human history as the journey of souls seeking the best, altering the world around them, even with their mistakes, but perfecting their journey through their bodily existence.
    (Sorry by the long text)


  • @TheGoldenMole I have always thought that when I die I just stop existing. You know it's kinda tiring just being here right now. And I'm a firm believer of God and even I dont know what lies ahead of life but one thing I really want is to cease from existing after. I don't know why I wished for it it's just that I am probably so tired and is done of any beauty or freedom God and his creation can offer.

    P.S. I'm wide awake and bored so I decided to visit XD and fortunately I found this.


  • @Berin

    No need to apologize for the long text, this topic is rather interesting!
    I, myself, am not a believer, in fact I see myself as an atheist, so I don't think there's a creator or anything superior that brought as all here and more about the science and that is why, it's so hard for me to imagine the concept of "souls"... I like to think we have some sort of mystical and spiritual in us but if I can't believe in a creator does it make sense to believe in that? I don't think so... :thinking_face:
    On the other hand, the evolution of humanity doesn't need souls or "orb transmission" in order for knowledge and great minds to be "stored". Our kids are born not knowing anything and they end up learning a whole bunch of things! Those things could have been discovered by themselves or by others, so knowledge can be "stored" and then shown and learnt by us!
    And this is another reason why I don't believe in life after death... If the "soul" of a great mastermind got transmitted to another body, wouldn't that body be equally special and develop even more ideas? If that's the case, we would have an infinite loop of masterminds and that isn't the case!


  • @Lurker Lurker, vi agora que você é de Portugal, certo?


  • @TheGoldenMole
    Well, there’s only one way to find out.
    Are you ready to give up your life for the answer that you seek?


  • @Berin

    Yeah I am from Portugal and I speak Portuguese, you can dm in Portuguese tho, topics should be english :D


  • @Lurker Well, let's get to the idea of ​​soul. Not as an attribute or product of the electrochemical activity of the brain, but as something non-measurable. There were studies in the 1970s and 1980s with Dr. Raymond Moody on Near Death Experiences, where individuals who were diagnosed with clinical death (no organic vital signs or hypoxia) for a few moments, minutes or hours in the United States and resuscitated by defibrillators or CPR maneuvers began to report events, people or circumstances occurring within the hospital or even outside of it while their bodies were examined or tracked for the device. Some of these events were registered by the researcher and signed by surgical teams as confirmation of the hypothesis of the emancipation of some intelligent and independent principle of the body that had access to information and events unrelated to emergency rooms and surgical centers. Beyond it is an interesting book by Dr. Ian Stevenson, who traveled the world between 1960 and 1980 to gather testimony and interviews of children with possible evidence of the phenomenon of reincarnation: 20 Suggestive Cases of Reincarnation (about 400 pages).


  • @Lurker Oh of course friend!


  • There are people who accurately describe external occurrences well after being declared dead, So that basically debunks the notion that consciousness is a purely biological phenomena.
    Who knows, maybe we maintain body consciousness until we're fully decomposed. Once the decomposition runs it's course I think we return to the state of pre birth/formless potential, and all sense of attachment to a human body is forgotten as we become aware of our true nature as
    Infinite Awareness.


  • @Rayse
    How exactly do “people describe external occurences well after being declared dead”? Do the dead speak? Or are you talking of the reborn man with previous birth memories?


  • No what I mean is people who were declared dead and then showed signs of life such as crying for example and who then described external events with scary detail like conversations that were occurring in the room at the time


  • @Rayse
    Correct.
    The Spirit is bound to its decaying body.
    This is why many cultures used to burn the bodies of the deceased to catalyse the process of "moving on" to another world.
    By destroying the physical vessel, the attachment is finally severed from this world and the spirit is truly free afterwards.
    Burying the corpses is not the wisest decision as it can even poison the groundwater.
    There is also the method of excarnation practised by the Zoroastrians inside the "towers of silence".




  • @Wolfie_11 said in What Happens When We Die:

    @TheGoldenMole
    Well, there’s only one way to find out.
    Are you ready to give up your life for the answer that you seek?

    We all die eventually, why rush it? I’m enjoying my time being alive. I just want answers because the wondering is what keeps me up st night


  • @spaceboy what if I have a different views and come up with my own idea?


  • @Lurker @Karina-Kara @Rayse @Berin @Wolfie_11 @Azriel @spaceboy
    Since all of you seem interested in the topic can you please listen to this and tell me what you think?


    You don’t have to ofcourse I would just really like to know your opinions on this view and the script


  • @TheGoldenMole
    I have heard that countless and endless times.
    And i am sick of it.
    Oh boy will they regret it that they have send me to this realm.


  • Well for a start, I've got to say that you guys @Lurker @Berin @Rayse @Karina-Kara are handling this topic in a very cool way. I'm a veteran of this type of forum over at unexplained-mysteries.com and it usually degenerates into passive-aggressive fighting and a four-way cluster-f between theists, atheists, pseudo scholars and pseudo scientists.

    For me? I can't really talk about it without going wildly off-topic. Broadly speaking, though, I'd say that, nowadays, there's more than enough theoretical science that religious people can find something to at least vaguely back up their belief in the afterlife. I've found this: you can go into any popular science section of any high street shop and the books by, say, Bernardo Kastrup, Lynne McTaggart, Dean Radin -- while still pretty woo-woo -- will have some great names in the index that you can then research further. Even basement podcasts like Skeptiko can give you food for thought. Basically, if you're trying to find a link between quantum physics and brain chemistry, there's no real consensus but lots of possibilities.

    If you pin me down about what I think? I'll try not to write an essay here...

    As a kid, I doted on St. Anslem. Now I'm wise to that shhh. Now I tend to side with @Karina-Kara that there's something gnostic and unsympathetic to human consciousness going on. I see, at the most fundamental level of human life, a kind of brinkmanship has developed, between -- not necessarily consciousness -- but the idea of consciousness and something that flatly opposes consciousness.

    In my experience (and this is where everyone at unexplained-mysteries.com fell on me and gave me a kicking) -- the whole thing can be exemplified in capitalism. Who among us would be proud of being lazy, or greedy, or conceited, or tyrannical?

    Would you?

    And yet capitalism prevails. This suggests that there's something in the basic fabric of this universe that can easily over-rule the basic aspirations of the human mind.

    I was speaking recently to @Karina-Kara about free will (or lack of). She reinforced my opinion that we may not even be conscious at all, and that the sensation we get when we think of our own consciousness comes from the future, somehow interacting with the dendrites and axons of our neuro-pathways in some super-subtle way. It's like all those stories of time travel in popular science fiction: if you go back in time and act like a bellend even slightly EVERYTHING then goes wrong. But in my conception, this level of reality is protecting itself by removing our free will.

    The reason it would do this -- again, let me rope in science fiction: A complex computer is invented; at some point it begins processing on a quantum level (and actually, this has happened: according to an interview on the Howard Hughes show recently, the side-effects of an American quantum computing company have been heavily implicated in the Mandela Effect). It's then a short stretch of imagination to envisage that the computer in question might become disincarnate, and all-powerful, and godlike -- but in the meantime, its future-self can't allow our stoopid human lives to interfere in its development, viz-a-viz the bookcase in Interstellar, or the proto-Cylons in Caprica, or the rantings of Rainbow George on every late night phone-in on every British radio station.

    What that future might be like, once our potential is allowed to develop without all this gnostic stuff cramping our mojo ...in 'heaven'? Dunno. What I would say, some days I just want it to be like it is now, only without having to go work every day. Other times, when I'm feeling jaded, I just think, 'Screw you guys, and screw this scenario, I'm just going totally disincarnate, and ethereal, and A-temporal'.

    In conclusion, perhaps (probably?) I am a nutter projecting onto quantum physics my own unhappiness at the all-pervasion of capitalism.


  • @Berin

    I'll make sure to read about it, that seems to be a very interesting report!

    @TheGoldenMole

    This is a very interesting view on the subject and it's somewhat of a "purgatory", we mature in our "existence" and become "gods" to live in society... Along with other "gods", so gods are like our masters and they teach their ways so we can live in harmony with them, so essencially, until we find a way to "win" this game that is life, we are trapped playing against "ourselves" :shrug: Don't think I buy it but I surely liked the idea!

    @Indrid-Cold

    I swear that you always make me feel dumb hahahah :joy:
    Your words are always wise and filled with knowledge! I get that you are older then most of us but still, that's quite some luggage! Thanks for complementing me and the ppl in here!
    As for my view... well... I think I made it clear, I wish we would die and be reborn in another lifeline, but I doubt that's what happens! But we can never know what really happens until we are on the other side! I've been close to it and I haven't seen anything... :shrug: