loop holes in religion

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@twistedbrain
1st the truth is not a matter of opinion
2nd there are important messages throughout this comment and most importantly at the end so read the whole comment
3rd thing, you do not have proof that the bible is written by a god but i have proof that it isn't, My proof is that an all loving, all good god wouldn't have ordered man to write down all of these things in his book:

SEXISM

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

HOMOPHOBIA

“In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)

VIOLENCE AND SADOMASOCHISM(loving a person you feer):

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

“Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)

“And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)

‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)

SLAVERY

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

And these are just a couple of verses

P.S. usually  after i show a Christian these verses he tells me that it doesn't matter because most of these are in the old testament, well the 10 commandments are also in the old testament so do you also not want the 10 commandements? And by the way, there are no scenarios where a just and all good god would say “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” or “In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” or “Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” and a lot of other verses

[TwistedBrain]

@how-to-make-a
1st Truth can be defined as "fact or belief that is accepted or true" or "which is in accordance with fact or reality." Which opinion is synonymous to "belief. And somehow, there is opinion based on facts or evidence like how a doctor tells you that you have a cancer after he performed tests on you. But still, I agree that truth is not a matter of opinion, because truth is what's about there, no matter what any agent believes.

2nd This is going to be long.
• That is not sexism. Wives to submit to their husbands does not make men to be superior given that they have the authority of the marriage relationship. That is to maintain order. And there's just different role placed for women and that's bearing children and managing them and the households. Also accompanying the command for the wives' submission is the command to love his wife.

• Bible records the practice of slavery, but that's not a natural condition. The Scripture regulates the practice of slavery. God rescue of his people out of it known as the Exodus. Also, the Bible provided masters not to mistreat their slaves and treat them justly and fairly.
"Masters, do the same to them and stop your threatening, knowing that He who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him." - Ephesians 6:9
It means even one does have superior status, but before God, the masters and slaves are equal for He is the true Master.

• Yes, God clearly command not to engage in homosexual behavior. Bible teaches honor, dignity and value of two sexes which is male and female as created in God's image. Making homosexuality as biblically immoral and a sin even supposed that you will say it is genetics, and one can't deny how he/she's created. Sin separates people from God and that's a bad news for everyone not just the LGBT since " for all have sinned and fall short of glory of God and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came from Jesus Christ." - Romans 3:24 What's wonderful is God is forgiving.

• God never accepted/ delighted in human sacrifice. God never intended to allow Abraham to kill his son. Also it was Jephtah who made vow to God, and keep his word. But Judges suggest that her daughter wasn't killed and remained a virgin for the rest of her life.

• God is compassionate, gracious and slow to anger. The judgments in the Old Testaments are for recognition of sins. Judgment were preceded by warnings and long periods of exposure to the truth and time to repent like for hundreds of years. He does so justly to destroy cities for they are "wicked" and spare the righteous eg Noah, Lot. But for the wages of sin is death and all fall short of glory of God then all of us are sinners therefore we deserve to die. And in the New Testament, Jesus did not offer a new interpretation of righteousness. God is just in condemning unrighteous but is also just in saving sinners. John 3:16 God poured out full measure of His righteous wrath upon His Son on the cross. Jesus Christ paid the full price suffering in our place so that sins are forgiven for those who believe in Him. Yes, Bible contains stories of sin, evil and death but it also includes grand story of love, redemption and grace.

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@twistedbrain  i don't want to waste my time answering all of your points because you will start to have cognitive distenence and ignore everything i say.
So I'm just going to disprove the one about homosexuality being unnatural, see if you aren't mundwashed to the point where you'll ignore the evidence i show you, and if you are open minded enough I'll go ahead and disprove the other points you made

you are wrong by the definition of the word unnatural.
Definition of unnatural:
"contrary to the ordinary course of nature; abnormal."

So since

1 there are a lot of animals that have sexual behaviours in nature
2 since being gay as a human is genetic and caused by the X28q chromosome
3 since being gay isn't a choice which is proved by the fact that in 2015 a professor created an algorithm that can guess the sexual orientation of someone with 70% accuracy
4 since being gay doesn't harm humanity because there is an overpopulation on earth
5 studies in psychology do not agree that homosexuality is a mental disorder

That means that being gay is not
"contrary to the ordinary course of nature; abnormal."
But it is it is natural
Definition of natural:
"existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind."

So you are by definition wrong when you say that "being gay is unnatural".

"The good thing about science is that it's true weather you believe in it or not"-Neil deGrasse tyson (a radical atheist)

The truth isn't a matter of opinion. If you disagree that's your right but if you actually want to prove me wrong you will have to prove that ALL, not just one but ALL these 5 points are true

1 there aren't a lot of animals that have sexual behaviours in nature

 https://www.google.fr/search?q=pictures+of+animals+doing+homosexual+acts&safe=strict&client=ms-android-orange-fr&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiGq8_e1IjVAhWJBsAKHRkWCRoQ_AUICSgB&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=_

And

 https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior&ved=0ahUKEwjE0NfE04jVAhUGWRoKHcc6DeUQFggjMAE&usg=AFQjCNGDP6wZDnS4FHtiu1M4KSTWSE3L8Q

2 being gay as a human is not genetic and caused by the X28q chromosome

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xq28

3 being gay is not a choice which isn't disproved by the fact that in 2015 a professor created an algorithm that can guess the sexual orientation of someone with 70% accuracy

 https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/08/algorithm-predicts-sexual-orientation-men-70-accuracy&ved=0ahUKEwiqrpP0jovVAhUHKcAKHYHEDQAQFggjMAA&usg=AFQjCNH-9bteaarEPqenxig4847QPtQwFQ

4 being gay somehow harms humanity because there is not an overpopulation on earth

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation

5 that studies in psychology do agree that homosexuality is a mental disorder

 https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/apa-blogs/apa-blog/2016/03/homosexuality-as-a-mental-disorder-simply-not-backed-up-by-science

[TwistedBrain]

@how-to-make-a I'm not going to discuss about animals nature since human is the most important that God creates. We are something different from animals because we can comprehend things that they cant.

I'm not saying that being gays are unnatural or natural either. Scientically or psychologically. And I am not saying to condemn or judge them for being like that. Biblically, it's a sin. And suppose that God created you for being that way, and you have no choice for that, but you have a choice to know God. And if you know God and obey Him, you will let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. And then you will know what God wants you to do. -Romans 12:2

[[[global:former-user]]]

@twistedbrain the good thing about science is that it's true if you believe in it or not. I have presented scientific evidence that disproves your claim that being gay is unnatural. Unless you disprove that the evidence i presented then all you're showing is that you don't believe in science. Is that understood?

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@twistedbrain to prove me wrong and stop making this a matter of opinion you'll logically need to disprove the scientific evidence i showed you. Go open up the linls i showed wrote down and read what's written there

[[[global:former-user]]]

@twistedbrain And then try to disprove it, anything else would be a logical fallacy

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@twistedbrain i already told you that i don't believe in your bible. It being a sin in your bible means that it's bad, if the only reason why you think that it's bad is because you believe in the bible that means that the bible is opposite to science. So fuck you're bible because science is true if you believe in it or not. Science has already proven that the earth is vastly older than 10 thousand years old and that evolution is true. As richard dawkins (richard dawkins is a PhD in biology and a professor at Oxford) says in his book "the greatest show on earth" that there's as much evidence for evolution as there is for the holocaust. So not believing in evolution is as wrong as not believing in the holocaust

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@twistedbrain I suggest that you read everything that is on this site. notjustatheory.com

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