Do you think ISLAM is a religion of terrorism ?


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    @i-am-male said in Do you think ISLAM is a religion of terrorism ?:

    @thestrangest

    3rd Just because you shoot up a place doesn't make you a terrorist and just because you shoot up a place whilst being religious doesn't make you a terrorist.

    Defenition of "terrorist":
    "a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."
    For example the IRA are white christian terrorists but there are just a handful of them.

    Just because white supremacists aren't labelled as a "political group" doesn't make their aims any less political.

    2nd the statistics don't say the white shooters are christian so don't add your own shit.

    Still easy to find evidence for, usually the smarter ones aren't part of the conservative-views package:
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    1st i said MOST terrorists are muslim

    Doesn't change the fact that shootings carried by non-muslims are an issue of equal importance, yet the media disproportionately represents one group over another thanks to social hegemony.

    Haha. Thats from 1999 to 2017, 8 years. I am guessing his statistic is only about the US.

    This shit that took 8 years to appen in the US probably happens in 1.5 years or less in muslim communities.

    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

    Those are logs of the last 30 days. Of course a big majority of attacks take more than 30 days to be reported so that'd be only 60% of what happened this month as a personal estimate but it's probably less. But even if you think that's 100%. Multiply that by 18 as for this year and 6 more months and you'd already have all those attacks on the 8 year statistic you showed me combined. Looooooook here. I am not saying that the media doesn't misrepresent Muslims, of course it does and that's bad. I'm not saying that the shootings you were talking about are not important because they are and they should get more media coverage. I am simply saying that if you tell me that all religions teach the same massage and that the religion of somebody does not determine if they are more or less likely to be violent/sexist/homophobic/whatever then you are bullshitting me. Islam is the worst religion by far and this meme going around that islam is a religion of peace or that the violent actions of men in the name of islam could've happened if they were from any other religion is just plainly wrong since islamic hadiths and the quran clearly support these types of actions. Islam is clearly more violent than Jainism or Buddhism for example, scriptually and historically and there is no denying that, but people loooove to fucking deny this shit because of their fairy tale fucking hope for a world where every one can live together peacefully without religion getting through the way. Well guess what? That's not gonna happen in a world where we cannot recognise and admit how violent and full of bad ideas religious teaching and in this case islamic teachings truly are. Because religious moderation has always been because of secular progress and scriptural ignorance(ignoring scripture).



  • @thestrangest I'm not denying that there could be some merit to that, what I'm against is the fact that given the damage is already done, there's probably a better approach than simply blaming it all on a belief system. The inherent problems are typically not actually rooted in religion itself, religion is just a means to justify taking action on behalf of the problems. Hence why conservatives in the U.S. defend religion as a package deal even though it hinders scientific and technological advancement, it's a political strategy to maintain power via common identity; the world is slowly starting to move away from strict adherence to religious texts and beliefs, making it difficult to even compare "religion" since one's beliefs are largely biased from an individual's point of view.

    On that note, it's challenging to compare the world to the U.S. and then claim Islam is the root of all problems, as this ignores geopolitical climate. It's like saying global warming isn't happening because it snowed the other day. If you look at it historically, Christianity has led to a lot of deaths as well, it's just currently given the socioeconomic conditions of the Middle East and the shitshow that led up to it has made the region more prone to violence, and Islam, being their primary faith, is a useful tool for spurring on conflict (by shitshow I mean: modernizing faith/Arab springs, big oil and invasion of Iraq, Kuwait, list goes on starting from WWII).

    Also, the media polarizing the issue to set the political agenda does not really help. It's great for the ratings though I bet.

    I would first resolve the tense geopolitical climate in the Middle East and other Islamic countries, and then if people are still batshit crazy about blowing themselves up, blame religion.



  • @muslim i think islam's itself is a fascist religion, it see the people who being non-muslim as a people who should be destroyed. there are exact verses in quran you can check and that make it terrorism-like religion like every fascist regime. muslims are not terrorist because %99 of them doesn't even aware of what their religion is.


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    @i-am-male said in Do you think ISLAM is a religion of terrorism ?:

    @thestrangest I'm not denying that there could be some merit to that

    That meens that you disagree with most of what i said. "I do not deny that some of what you said might be true"="I disagree with most of what you said" but you are pretty good at human communication because it seems you know how to say stuff without getting the other person angry or relying on his emotions rather than his reason to argue. 👏👏👏

    what I'm against is the fact that given the damage is already done, there's probably a better approach than simply blaming it all on a belief system.

    It clearly is not just because of belief systems. I never said that it was

    The inherent problems are typically not actually rooted in religion itself

    Ugh. Religion is a big part of the problem

    religion is just a means to justify taking action on behalf of the problems.

    In most cases it orders the actions in its scriptures. That's different

    I'll just repeat this until you get it. Religion moderation is a result of secular progress and scriptural ignorance. "Scriptural ignorance" is an important partvof that sentence

    Hence why conservatives in the U.S. defend religion as a package deal even though it hinders scientific and technological advancement

    True enough

    it's a political strategy to maintain power via common identity; the world is slowly starting to move away from strict adherence to religious texts and beliefs, making it difficult to even compare "religion" since one's beliefs are largely biased from an individual's point of view.

    I wonder where this is heading

    On that note, it's challenging to compare the world to the U.S. and then claim Islam is the root of all problems

    it is the biggest reason of the issues. I do not understand how you have come to the conclusion that it isn't. Of course it is not the only reason but aslong as there are a big number of muslims which ARE not scripturally ignorent of their religion then they are going to be causing BIG problems.

    as this ignores geopolitical climate.

    No matter the geopolitical climate that doesn't change what I'm saying. Even in the most secular, democratic countries research shows that a lot of muslims still would prefer to live under shariah law which supporys the death penalty for homosexuality, apostas, cheating along with other bad things.

    https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/738852/British-Muslims-Sharia-Law-enforced-UK-Islam-poll/amp

    "The report found that 26 per cent of Muslims did not believe in extremism and 48 per cent would not turn to the police if someone close to them became involved with people linked to Syrian terrorism."

    "Forty-three per cent of followers of the religion living in the country believed that parts of the Islamic legal system should replace British law while only 22 per cent opposed the idea.."

    https://www.google.fr/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/09/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/%3Famp=1

    "World Muslims who want Sharia

    Basically the straight forward answer is 69.7% (call it 70%) of the world’s Muslims want Sharia Law. That is a shocking 70% of about 1.8 billion people, which is 1.26 billion Muslims, 16.8% of the world’s population of 7.5 billion."

    It's like saying global warming isn't happening because it snowed the other day."

    I see 0 correlation. You really suck at explaining things. Until now i have not understood your train of thought on anything you are saying.

    If you look at it historically, Christianity has led to a lot of deaths as well

    Hum. Bullshit. Where are the sources of what you're saying here

    it's just currently given the socioeconomic conditions of the Middle East and the shitshow that led up to it has made the region more prone to violence

    Dude i agree but the geographical climate doesn't matter in the argument I'm making which is "All religions are bad and full of bad ideas but Islam is the most violent(and the motherload of bad ideas)"

    and Islam, being their primary faith, is a useful tool for spurring on conflict (by shitshow I mean: modernizing faith/Arab springs, big oil and invasion of Iraq, Kuwait, list goes on starting from WWII).

    Sure dude but that doesn't change the fact that if the primary faith was jainism or if there was no primary faith then the level of violence would definitely be a lot lower because guess what? Islamic teachings are naturally violent. Why is this so hard to get

    Also, the media polarizing the issue to set the political agenda does not really help. It's great for the ratings though I bet.

    Lol ok

    I would first resolve the tense geopolitical climate in the Middle East and other Islamic countries, and then if people are still batshit crazy about blowing themselves up, blame religion.

    Dude. Of course stuff will get better if you solve the geographical climate but you'll still have problems with islan as demonstrated by the polls i showed from the UK unless you really, really in force religious moderation by secular progress, values and scriptural ignorance.
    In islam the scriptures and history are clearly violent but there is hope in moderating muslims. It is not that complicated



  • @thestrangest are you sick ? i feel sad for you buddy..may you rest in peace..


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    @r_dx I'm not dead but I'm sure that eternal nothingness after death is peaceful. I'm not sick either and i don't need your pity. 😐



  • @thestrangest what are you blabbering about you fool ? im talking about sleep, not eternal sleep - dont overthink things --'


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    @r_dx said in Do you think ISLAM is a religion of terrorism ?:

    @thestrangest what are you blabbering about you fool ?

    SUCK MY DICK. If you are gonna call me names then i'll do the same. Fuck you

    im talking about sleep, not eternal sleep - dont overthink things --'

    What do you even mean. Do you not understand that "RIP" is usually said about a dead person.



  • Ofcourse Islam is not a religion of terrorism, no religion is. Islam only preaches people to be a good person and to worship their Lord, Allah(SBW). It doesn't teach anyone to go terror people and go on a killing spree. It's the people who do the wrong things for the 'sake' of Islam, but that's just to cover their deeds and what they are doing. So they can HIDE themselves.



  • @thestrangest i would if you had one haha get the feel now ? annoying right ? i hope you are as intelligent as you claim to be and understand what im saying, asshole 🙂


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    @r_dx said in Do you think ISLAM is a religion of terrorism ?:

    @thestrangest i would if you had one haha get the feel now?

    And then you would be killed if you are in a muslim country because the punishment for homosexuality in islam is death

    annoying right ?

    Yeah ofcourse it is annoying that you are annoyed and are calling me names for being against islam which is a horrible religion, all religions are horrible but Islam is the worst one.

    i hope you are as intelligent as you claim to be and understand what im saying, asshole 🙂

    No man, what was i supposed to understand. Was there a hidden message. I do not think i understand and that's not because i am not intelligent, you just suck at explaining things.



  • @thestrangest Maaaan chill, the part where i said get the feel, just coz theres no punctuality doesnt mean its in a single sentence, "get the feel now and annoying right?" - that was in a single sentence.
    Do you agree with me you're extremely curious, and want the best out of this world, from us, humanity ? Do you agree with me you're not wise, rather full of knowledge - continuously asking questions and seeking answers ?



  • @thestrangest said in Do you think ISLAM is a religion of terrorism ?:

    it is the biggest reason of the issues. I do not understand how you have come to the conclusion that it isn't. Of course it is not the only reason but aslong as there are a big number of muslims which ARE not scripturally ignorent of their religion then they are going to be causing BIG problems.

    as this ignores geopolitical climate.

    No matter the geopolitical climate that doesn't change what I'm saying. Even in the most secular, democratic countries research shows that a lot of muslims still would prefer to live under shariah law which supporys the death penalty for homosexuality, apostas, cheating along with other bad things.

    But here are the real questions, 1) are these Muslims first generation immigrants, because if they are, then you can hardly blame them for maintaining the conservative viewpoints they've had since their time in the Middle East, given their limited exposure to this new secular democratic environment. 2) To what extent are they willing to qualify Sharia Law, meaning do they have to take 100% of the Quran literally or are they willing to adopt and change bits and pieces, AND to take this question further, can you even generalize responses to this question? What if one person supports the death penalty for homosexuality but not for cheating, and another vice versa? Because if they don't all agree on the same view, then it's not really fair to lump them all as one group with a similar viewpoint, it's like how all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares.

    https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/738852/British-Muslims-Sharia-Law-enforced-UK-Islam-poll/amp

    "The report found that 26 per cent of Muslims did not believe in extremism and 48 per cent would not turn to the police if someone close to them became involved with people linked to Syrian terrorism."

    To qualify, "a majority of Muslims polled said they would attempt to personally intervene rather than contact police if someone they knew was getting involved with people who support terrorism in Syria." Which is basically saying if your buddy Bob who you've known since 5 years of age wanted to blow up a train station, would you take it seriously and call the police on him as though he were a stranger?

    Here's another statistic from the poll: Notably, the poll also found little support for terrorism, with 85 percent saying they condemn those who take part in suicide attacks, and 73 percent saying they opposed how the Islamic State was trying to create a caliphate (just 3 percent said they supported it). They're not deliberately trying to foster terrorism, if anything it's more an issue of mentality and education, I'm pretty sure they don't teach in school "what to do if your best friend Bob decides to become a terrorist". It's not exactly as simple as 1+1.

    "Forty-three per cent of followers of the religion living in the country believed that parts of the Islamic legal system should replace British law while only 22 per cent opposed the idea.."

    Again first I would ask what aspects of the legal system and whether or not they fully understand the implications. I mean, I wouldn't trust someone who isn't an expert in Sharia Law and the British Legal system to give advice on anything legislative just as I wouldn't trust a car mechanic to perform open heart surgery. If these are again Muslim first generation immigrants, their exposure to Britain would be extremely limited and they'd likely be isolated and even ostracized given the political environment, so how would they know better?

    https://www.google.fr/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/09/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/%3Famp=1

    "World Muslims who want Sharia

    Basically the straight forward answer is 69.7% (call it 70%) of the world’s Muslims want Sharia Law. That is a shocking 70% of about 1.8 billion people, which is 1.26 billion Muslims, 16.8% of the world’s population of 7.5 billion."

    Tried Cntrl+F'ing this 69.7% statistic but couldn't find it, this infographic is all I could find which is hardly a solid representation of the world:
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    Again assuming this "worst" case scenario, I would ask for further qualification of whether they 1) understand Sharia Law, 2) want 100% adoption, and 3) if not 100% adoption, which aspects.

    It's like saying global warming isn't happening because it snowed the other day."

    I see 0 correlation. You really suck at explaining things. Until now i have not understood your train of thought on anything you are saying.

    Let me break it down to a level that even an Elementary School student could understand. When you blame religion as the sole cause of all terrorism, internal strife, etc, you're ignoring fundamental issues at hand. These include but are not limited to the economic downfall of the Middle East, the shifting paradigms of the younger generation, and the intervention of bigger players like the U.S. and Russia in the form of NATO (for control over the region and oil/trade). These issues play an equally significant factor as religion does to spurring terrorism, but because the masses typically don't have enough education or care to even learn about how all these factors come into play, they usually just hone in on a simple idea like religion and use that to justify all their actions. Religion is used as a tool to create a sense of identity and empowerment for action, which for terrorism is a backlash against westernization.

    I'm not a fan of wikipedia but it provides a good overview:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_aspects_of_Islam
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_politics

    I'm using global warming as an example because ignoring geopolitical climate is like saying because it snowed, global warming isn't happening. You're ignoring the bigger picture that global temperatures (other factors) are also at play based off this one factor (which is religion in terrorism's case). If you didn't understand it's not important.

    ADDITIONALLY, considering that these polls conducted by media are typically heavily biased, I would be cautious when extrapolating the results to the rest of the Muslim population. You can read more about criticisms for this poll specific in the source I posted below, some key criticisms include:

    • The Post's Clement suggests that the only reason for focusing on an area with a heavy Muslim presence would be financial cost. "It’s cheaper to interview a sizable sample of Muslims in areas where they are concentrated," he says. That could be a problem, however. Muslims make up only about 4 percent of Britain's population and tend to be spread out rather than concentrated in small areas. Critics have argued that ICM may have been limiting its view of British Muslims to those who live in Muslim-heavy areas — areas that may be unrepresentative both ethnically and socioeconomically.
    • Martin Boon of ICM Research has confirmed that the survey used geographic units of about 1,500 people where at least 20 percent of the population was Muslim. Boon says that 51.4 percent of Britain's Muslims live in these areas. Although that coverage rate is higher than some critics had extrapolated, it is far from enough to dispel all doubts — many general-population telephone surveys have coverage rates well over 90 percent, because nearly the entire population has a land line or mobile phone. The limited sample range of the ICM survey presents significant problems. Muslims who live in areas with large Muslim communities may well have different views on assimilation and religion from those who do not. ICM’s data cannot tell us either way, as these people never had a chance of being contacted.

    Which further dampens the effect of the fact that they're living in a secular nation because this poll is only cherry picking Muslims who probably have limited interaction with the rest of the non-Muslim community.

    Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/04/12/a-poll-claimed-to-reveal-what-british-muslims-really-think-critics-say-it-failed/?utm_term=.9011581f7668

    If you look at it historically, Christianity has led to a lot of deaths as well

    Hum. Bullshit. Where are the sources of what you're saying here

    Specifically the bubble with the Christian Crusades (1-3 million deaths):

    Source: https://waitbutwhy.com/2013/08/the-death-toll-comparison-breakdown.html

    Dude. Of course stuff will get better if you solve the geographical climate but you'll still have problems with islan as demonstrated by the polls i showed from the UK unless you really, really in force religious moderation by secular progress, values and scriptural ignorance.
    In islam the scriptures and history are clearly violent but there is hope in moderating muslims. It is not that complicated

    The Crusades ended in 1300, ignoring all the deaths caused from the Conquest of the Americas and Manifest Destiny in the name of God, give it another 700 years (today 2018 - 1300 ~= 700), I'm sure Islam will be tame by then. But by then we'll be blaming some other religion or social factor for some kind of conflict, and I'm sure our posterity will be making the same bloody arguments.


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    @r_dx said in Do you think ISLAM is a religion of terrorism ?:

    @thestrangest Maaaan chill, the part where i said get the feel, just coz theres no punctuality doesnt mean its in a single sentence, "get the feel now and annoying right?" - that was in a single sentence.
    Do you agree with me you're extremely curious, and want the best out of this world, from us, humanity ? Do you agree with me you're not wise, rather full of knowledge - continuously asking questions and seeking answers ?

    Dude. The way you write and place words is so incomprehensible. I guess i agree with what you are saying as far as i understood



  • islam is one of biggest religion i think



  • religion is not terrorism
    what bad people do thing are

    world is not divided on basis religion like this religion is wrong or right
    world is divide into two one is right and second is wrong


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    @i-am-male sorry dude. I accidentally posted the unfinished reply


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    @mahmood-bhatti said in Do you think ISLAM is a religion of terrorism ?:

    yes quran teach to kill unbelievers

    So are you muslim?


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    @alexthealien i was clearly not talking to you


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