The Omnipotence Paradox


  • Freedom Writers - Writing

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    In the event of God existing, and

    1. He's omnipotent,

    2. He'd be able to create a rock that no one would be able to lift, coz He's omnipotent.

    3. He'd be able to lift it, coz He's omnipotent.

    4. But if #3 holds, #2 would be violated, and in turn #1 would become false.

    What do you guys think of this paradox?

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    P.S: It's almost 2019, so NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO THEISTS :))

    P.P.S: Credits to @ObviouslyLucifer for the inspiration, cheers! :))



  • @Thor-Odinson your IQ is 75 and you think its 220. 🙃



  • @Kakashi ugh :3 I mean, understanding the notion of omnipotence is not your cup of tea :3 * - * (neither mine)


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    @Barack-Obama yess... can you give me some of yours? 😄



  • It's just illogical to assume that thanks to omipotence he could create something that limits him. It just makes no sense. Omnipotence does not work this way.

    However you have stricken an interesting point: God is (per definitionem) not limited. And thus he is lacking one thing (and one thing only): Limitation.


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    @Kakashi

    deadlock


  • Freedom Writers - Writing

    @pe7erpark3r said in The Omnipotence Paradox:

    ....And thus he is lacking one thing (and one thing only): Limitation.

    It's a nice way to put it, like how they say to fear nothing but fear itself....



  • @pe7erpark3r If god is unable to lift the rock. It is by choice. He is choosing for the rock's nature to be unmovable at a specific point in time. He can simultaneously chose for the nature of the rock to be moveable and unmovable.



  • and baka he has the ability to manipulate the objects, plus its a theoretical philsophical question more than religious, no one would be offended


  • Freedom Writers - Writing

    @Firefly Another interesting pov, firefly~
    So if this holds, god has the capacity limit his powers as well, in contrast to what @pe7erpark3r said:

    God is (per definitionem) not limited. And thus he is lacking one thing (and one thing only): Limitation.

    So that means God is capable of giving himself limitation as well, so that adds to his capabilities, if that holds. I think this gives a better approach to resolve the paradox. Thanks, baka :3



  • @Kakashi just like those ''omnipotence paradoxical questions'' can God make a square circle? xD


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    @Firefly said in The Omnipotence Paradox:

    @Kakashi just like those ''omnipotence paradoxical questions'' , can God make a square circle? xD

    he can add a comma in the sentence tho xD



  • A square circle is illogical, because one is not the other. It's just a play of words without real meaning. If you were to throw out logic of the equation (square circle) you cannot conclude anything at all, because you are using logic to conclude things in the first place.

    Back to the op: this is a circular conclusion, meaning:

    If god is omnipotent -> he can create a stone -> he cannot lift -> he is not omnipotent -> cannot create stone -> can lift -> is omnipotent, etc. well more or less. In other words that is not really a paradox, since there is no logic to it. But honestly I'm having a hard time putting this in the right words. Has been done though about 1500 years ago or something...

    Maybe @Kakashi s take is easier to understand: If god has the ability to limit himself, that means he has the ability to take his own omnipotence away. However if he can do that, he is not really omnipotent in the first place because being able to limit himself just contradicts the concept of omnipotence. In other words a being that can be limited already is not omnipotent.

    Btw. there is a solution to god not being limited: he can become completely human and at the same time remain completely god. Thus he is limited and unlimited at the same time. However talking about this philosohpically is scholastic debate and really leaves the domain of logic (this is not philosophy anymore it is just a solution to the problem that in itself cannot be understood by human logic).



  • @Thor-Odinson If only I couldn't get this much focus on matters of national urgency I'd love to.



  • @Firefly said in The Omnipotence Paradox:

    @Kakashi ugh :3 I mean, understanding the notion of omnipotence is not your cup of tea :3 * - * (neither mine)

    May I be so blunt to also disagree with that? 😋 I think it was a very good idea to pose this question. You know people have debated these ideas for hundreds of years before they reached somewhat of a conclusion. And yet you realized the same problems they did, and I'm sure you also got a better understanding of the whole topic from this discussion. So why wouldn't you think about it?

    But I'll also agree with you: understanding how "god works" is not my cup of tea either :3, not anyone's I guess


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  • @Kakashi

    What if we take this POV to another level and add "another" god to the equasion?

    Gods n1 and 2 are omnipotent
    God n1 creates a rock only he can lift, thus making god n2 not omnipotent anymore... but then...
    God n2 creates a rock only he can life, making god n1 not omnipotent...

    At the end of the day who is omnipotent then? Isn't omnipotency something that should be compared with non "godly" creatures? 🤔



  • @Lurker said in The Omnipotence Paradox:

    @Kakashi

    What if we take this POV to another level and add "another" god to the equasion?

    Gods n1 and 2 are omnipotent
    God n1 creates a rock only he can lift, thus making god n2 not omnipotent anymore... but then...
    God n2 creates a rock only he can life, making god n1 not omnipotent...

    At the end of the day who is omnipotent then? Isn't omnipotency something that should be compared with non "godly" creatures? 🤔

    Very goo idea and absolutely correct! If there are 2 "omnipotent" gods, then there is not a single omnipotent god, or rather there is no god at all. The concept of omnipotence simply means that there can be only one.


  • Freedom Writers - Writing

    @Azriel I believe that I deserve every pani puri in the world xD



  • You're missing the point, fella, that God can break any rules He likes, even logical paradoxes, because he's a Sid Vicious-style punk and we're all just nerds trying to interview Him and getting upset like Bill Grundy.

    Besides which, I have photographic proof that he was able to lift The Rock.

    0_1545924552264_the rock.jpg






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