Is god real? Your thoughts

[Ephemeral]

@love_to_love_ I think it's fine for people to have religion as a guide for morality and social interaction, it's not fine when people use religion to explain natural phenomena in lieu of science.

Neil deGrasse Tyson describes the fallacy this way: "Does it mean, if you don’t understand something, and the community of physicists don’t understand it, that means God did it? Is that how you want to play this game? Because if it is, here’s a list of things in the past that the physicists at the time didn’t understand [and now we do understand] . If that’s how you want to invoke your evidence for God, then God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on - so just be ready for that to happen, if that’s how you want to come at the problem."

[lovely55]

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[TheStrangest]

@lovely55 in my life, i have never seen a person stupider than you.

[Sir Devil]

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[Elliestar]

you guys are hilarious. You see it is beyond ridiculous to believe that we know what is evil. Because a God we could understand would not be much of a God, would He? His ways are so complex, that if you were able to understand His "evil" it would make sense to you. Imagine you are an Amazon tribal member who never has seen civilization. He is taken to watch a surgery in a hospital. Based on all known facts this surgeon is murdering his mother, when in fact he is saving her life. You see, he does not understand the vastness that he was so closed off to. This is our limited human perception. If we were in fact able to see what was good, bad, evil, kind...well what kind of test of life would that be? What kind of free choice would we have Some lame test. Yes, Is it easier to complain about what pain (there's no denying some things are painful but whether or not they are evil is a whole diff story, pain always has a purpose in Gods calculation) goes on in the world and excuse that for the reason God dosnt exist and say "yay, now i dont have to calculate any of my actions!" in fact, this is just stupidity.
If We could understand God, why arent You and I God? That would be some stupid world. This world is but a hallway of preparation, to something much greater. How embarrassing would it be to come into the next world not wearing any clothes? Remember, God is only merciful. Even Hell is but a merciful act on His part. It is the process in which He removes your sins in order to hold you close whereas before you were too filthy. Imagine a guest at a wedding, he comes in and they are ready to begin when suddenly he defecates all over himself. The other guests are shocked, and the father of the bride says to a guest to help this man clean up instead of kicking him out. So he takes the man to a hotel room and turns on the hot water and scrubs him. It is painful and uncomfortable but in the end, he can return to the wedding. This man was no ordinary guest however, he was the groom himself, and the father in law loved him so much and wanted him to be able to be as close to the bride and himself as possible that he made him go get cleaned up. God is never evil, simply misunderstood. Our human brains cannot possibly ever understand HIs ways. We should act accordingly. Humble.

[TheStrangest]

@elliestar said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

you guys are hilarious. You see it is beyond ridiculous to believe that we know what is evil.

BULLSHIT. Good and bad (evil) is arbitrary. But we can define it whatever way we want.

By the way there can never be such a thing as an objective morality or objective good and evil.

I define good as what positively effects well being and bad as what negatively effects well being and/or causes unnecessary pain. By the way we can define well being objectively through science.

Because a God we could understand would not be much of a God, would He?

No. I never heard that a god has to be incomprehensible to be a god. You can surely understand a god. Depends on how you define a god

His ways are so complex, that if you were able to understand His "evil" it would make sense to you.

Bullshit. There is no reason to believe in a god in the first place and there is no way for an omnipotent and omniscient god to exist at the same time as evil which doesn't render him the cause of that evil, because he refuses to prevent it therefore he is the cause/creator of all evil and malevolent(evil) himself.

Imagine you are an Amazon tribal member who never has seen civilization. He is taken to watch a surgery in a hospital. Based on all known facts this surgeon is murdering his mother, when in fact he is saving her life.You see, he does not understand the vastness that he was so closed off to. This is our limited human perception.

Bullshit analysis. There is no way to justify the annual deaths of 9 million children under 5 with this type of comparison. We know scientifically that bone cancer in children, rape, murder, the annual deaths of 9 million kids under the age of 5 causes unnecessary objective neurological suffering in the people experiencing those things whilst they are alive(so what happens after they're dead is irrelevant) and there is no way to justify someone letting stuff like this happen when they can stop it whenever they want.

If we were in fact able to see what was good, bad, evil, kind...

We can. I explained this already

well what kind of test of life would that be?

There is no test of life. Life isn't a test and it has no inherent purpose. God doesn't exist

What kind of free choice would we have Some lame test.

Again.
1st Life isn't a test
2nd there is no god
3rd if god is testing people TO KNOW something(s), that means he didn't know the thing(s) before the test and he isn't omniscient. If he actually knew them then by definition it wouldn't be a test
4th you are suggesting that if he existed and was testing us therefore a certain level of difficulty is necessary so there always is an amount of people faip and burn in hell forever. That's evil
5th Free will is an illusion with or without the existence of god because the definition of free will is "Being able to chose between multiple choices" but in science there is something we call "cause and effect" and it means that the past determines the future (AKA determinism) and because the past decides the future that means that you can only have 1 possible chronological consecutive set of actions that you do and you NEVER have more than one choice. In other words your actions are all predetermined and you have no free will. Not to mention that if god(and there is no good reason to think he does) is all knowing then that means he knew what everyone will do throughout their lives before they even existed further demonstrates that their actions would be predetermined and they wouldn't have free will.

Yes, Is it easier to complain about what pain (there's no denying some things are painful but whether or not they are evil is a whole diff story

No dumbass. As i said evil=unnecessary suffering. Suffering is neurological and objective
I.a. can be measured objectively through neurology

pain always has a purpose in Gods calculation

There is no god and nothing has inherent purpose + most pain ( i said most because of surgery, sports...) negatively effects well being therefore is bad and should be rid of to improve quality of life.

goes on in the world and excuse that for the reason God dosnt exist and say "yay, now i dont have to calculate any of my actions!" in fact, this is just stupidity.

Oh fuck off.

1st I didn't chose to be an atheist it happened because i saw no sufficient evidence behind religious claims, if there was evidence i would believe and of course faith is not a reliable pathway to truth since it can lead you to true and wrong conclusions with incredible inaccuracy so using it is useless and....... STUPID. Why use an unreliable pathway to truth to believe something is true. It is better to be sceptical "proof 1st belief 2nd" than to be gullible(have faith) "belief 1st and proof or no proof 2nd"
2nd your actions are more important and have more value if there is no afterlife because that'd mean that there is no all equaliser(heaven and hell) which meaning that inequality doesn't get redeemed, that you only get 1 life so you better make other people's quality of life better because of A Intuitive sympathy, B that hopefully they'd do the same to you and C that you and everyone will do good and make the world better for your loved ones after they die.

If We could understand God, why arent You and I God?

Well it depends on how you define god. If you define god as something incomprehensible then
1st that's a stupid definition
2nd many things we know of fit that category like black holes, dark matter, dark energy.... my dick, lol jk jk. We will one day understand those things so is god an ever receding bubble of scientific ignorance. Seems like a stupid definition

There is no good reason to believe a god exists, period.

That would be some stupid world.

Yes the idea that a god exists is stupid just like the existence of unicorns, vampires and lepricons.

This world is but a hallway of preparation, to something much greater.

Bullshit. As far as we know you are nothing but an assembly of neurons that we call a brain and that will ceez to function after death resulting in never ending nothingness.

How embarrassing would it be to come into the next world not wearing any clothes?

I personally wouldn't care. I'd be pleasantly surprised that I'm alive

Remember, God is only merciful.

1st there is no good reason to believe a god exists
2nd mercy is a suspension of justice and therefore immoral

Even Hell is but a merciful act on His part.

Bullshit. Burning people for things they were predetermined to do is evil and immoral.

It is the process in which He removes your sins in order to hold you close whereas before you were too filthy.

1st the concept of sins is defined as "things god has forbidden" and since god doesn't exist sins don't either
2nd You'd have been predetermined to be "filthy" therefore it wouldn't be your fault.

Imagine a guest at a wedding

I'm sick of your "imagine a"... arguments.

he comes in and they are ready to begin when suddenly he defecates all over himself.

And of course the logical thing to do is to burn him alive over and over again for something that wasn't his fault. Stupid

The other guests are shocked, and the father of the bride says to a guest to help this man clean up instead of kicking him out. So he takes the man to a hotel room and turns on the hot water and scrubs him. It is painful and uncomfortable but in the end

(that's necessary suffering)

... but then at the end he burns the guest over and over again with emmensly painful fire and doesn't stop until he seems fit

he can return to the wedding.

After having been tortured for something predetermined and not his fault

This man was no ordinary guest however, he was the groom himself, and the father in law loved him so much and wanted him to be able to be as close to the bride and himself as possible that he made him go get cleaned up.

Of course he would since
1st cleaning up isn't a punishment
2nd you wouldn't marry covered in shit
3rd you wouldn't be kicked out from your own wedding r shitting yourself

this is not a good comparison

hell :
A. Punishment
B. For predetermined actions which aren't people's faults
C. With horrible unnecessary suffering

Your scenario:
A. Getting help from someone(not being punished)
B. For something which isn't your fault(this is is the only thing similar to hell from A, B and C
C. Seemingly necessary suffering

God is never evil
simply misunderstood.

I demonstratd that if he exists he would be evil by nature

Our human brains cannot possibly ever understand HIs ways.

Our human brains have made up the idea of god and that he has ways, this i have understood

We should act accordingly. Humble.

Admitting that there are things we don't know and answers we can't answer yet or even ever, instead of making up explanations and answers which is what religion does is pretty humble

P.S. Oh my fucking flying spaghetti monster you are obnoxious

[Xerxes98]

@topics27 to me, I fully believe in God and the Bible. Even though I don't have full knowledge on the bible, I still have some knowledge that makes me believe in him.

[TheStrangest]

@xerxes98 I doubt that you have any good reason o believe in a god but k

[Onyx]

Absolutely not. Religion and the idea of a god have become ways to control mass amounts of people. It's easier to talk to 'god' aka yourself or say that 'god' has a plan than it is to take some self responsibility and say "The good or bad things that have happened in my life are a result of my actions. I'm the only one who can make an impact in my life and guide it to where I want to be."

[TheStrangest]

@onyx said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

Absolutely not. Religion and the idea of a god have become ways to control mass amounts of people. It's easier to talk to 'god' aka yourself or say that 'god' has a plan than it is to take some self responsibility and say "The good or bad things that have happened in my life are a result of my actions. I'm the only one who can make an impact in my life and guide it to where I want to be."

My favourite philosopher ladies and gentlemen:

[Arshanad]

God is real.... depends on who you are asking though.

[xavier 0]

@topics27 god is belief only.

[JesusLovesYou]

We must Repent of our sins and forgive if we do not forgive and repent of our sins we will go to hell and will get tournamented day and night But Jesus paid the price for our sins so we can choose to follow Jesus or follow sin and we will go to hell if we follow sin. Jesus is the only way we must be born again to see the kingdom of God. Accept Jesus as your Lord and savior it is your choice but the time is short and Jesus will be back soon I love you and care about where you will spend eternity God Bless You

[Lucifer]

@jesuslovesyou said in Is god real? Your thoughts:

Jesus is the only way we must be born again to see the kingdom of God.

I did not get this line.
Could you please elaborate?

[brod3e]

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[TheStrangest]

@brod3e and god doesn't exist

[layla]

@topics27 I don't believe in God. My parents are Christian, but I decided that there is no proof that God truly exists. I know that we came from somewhere, and I'm still trying to figure that out.

[kumar12]

love is god

[TheStrangest]

@kumar12 love is just a bunch of serotonin, adrenalin and dopamine levels rising in your brain

God is what some people claim without proof, created everything and when there is no proof behind something there is no reason to believe it

[TRose18]

In my opinion, God is exist but we dont know what He looks like. Yes he created this world and there are many some proofs that He really exist.. But what im thinking that all things we heard are from human itself. Yes.. the prophet. Human is desperate and lost without them (Prophet). They guide human to become better and better. All Prophet in this world sacrifice their life to choose to abdicates to others. They are real hero and responsible for human life. Their belief system are applied until now likes all the law in each country. Without their teaching, we are still in ancient times, and without their guidance we are killing each other without reason.. Yes we are still killing our own races in the name of religion. I think we should stop that because our ancestor and our prophet not allowing it.. We are living in this world, we are their chosen one. We are responsible for what we live now. Like God said through Bible "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Yeah that tells us that at right now, we must not thinking about what we dont know, and what you must do is showing your attention to the environtment. And, if you do believe 100% or not if God really exist, don't defend It. Because God doesn't need to be defended. What you should do is to defend the poor and tormented. That's all my opinion...Thanks.