Posts made by Sheapard

@alwaysstranger : yeah, you don't need to care much when the videos r irrelevant nd strolling out of the crux of what's been questioned. go fill up intellectually bro, there is a major gap and it's quite obvious.. it's of no significance to continue on such disparity

@alwaysstranger you've got a major intellectual gap and just relying on the surface part of Evolution postulates, but when faced to its micro-level, you tend to be shutoff and bring irrelevancies for sake of argument..
Whatever dude, Human evolution is still nonsensical and that doesn't makes someone unscientific .

@alwaysstranger ,
We do see changes within species, but we do not see any changes into other species. And, as mentioned, we see no evidence of gradual change in the fossil record either.

Natural selection is based on circular reasoning: the fittest are those who survive, and those who survive are deemed fittest.
"Survival of the fittest" is a conversational way to describe natural selection, but a more technical description speaks of differential rates of survival and reproduction. That is, rather than labeling species as more or less fit, one can describe how many offspring they are likely to leave under given circumstances.The key is that adaptive fitness can be defined without reference to survival: large beaks are better adapted for crushing seeds, irrespective of whether that trait has survival value under the circumstances.

i spoke about chance : Mathematically, it is inconceivable that anything as complex as a protein, let alone a living cell or a human, could spring up by chance.
Chance plays a part in evolution (for example, in the random mutations that can give rise to new traits), but evolution does not depend on chance to create organisms, proteins or other entities. Quite the opposite: natural selection, the principal known mechanism of evolution, harnesses nonrandom change by preserving "desirable" (adaptive) features and eliminating "undesirable" (non-adaptive) ones. As long as the forces of selection stay constant, natural selection can push evolution in one direction and produce sophisticated structures in surprisingly short times.

i hate to continue, but serious there's a kind of intellectual gap as seen from your supposedly sitcoms with regards to discussing Human evolution. because there are some important criteria that supports evolution , but taking these criteria to a micro-level, it fails to uphold its consistency to the claim its trying to support

@alwaysstranger , You're really pro in beating around the bush.. Go read more on Human evolution, its obvious all what you have are some observatory sitcoms for evolution while ignoring fundamental of what its actually postulating. .

@alwaysstranger
am really not in the mood of some whatever sitcom you've piled up with flexible story-telling to ‘explain’ observations contrary to evolutionary theory.

just discuss briefly to me what is indeed the naturalistic origin of life and its diversity, cos in it lies several unanswerable question.

How did life originate? evolution or by Intelligent designer
How did the DNA code originate?
How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate?
How did multi-cellular life originate?
How did sex originate?
How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality?
Why is natural selection, a principle recognized by creationists, taught as ‘evolution’, as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life?
How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years ?

Except you want tell me it all happened because of probability , chance, randomness without any Intelligent designer..

hopefully , you don't give me another evolution sitcoms

@alwaysstranger .. and you really support some drunk made gibberish that you descended from the apes or your distance ancestors are apes .... biggest laughable joke by drunk darwin. you could try talking about other evolutionary theories but dude, Human evoution is purely nonsensical.

By the way i will be glad to hear you out, just for fairness in my criticism, so please, i will kindly ask, how is Human evolution theory logical, rational and makes one "scientific"?

@alwaysstranger .. just pointing out the inconsistency of some scientific fact.. i taught you knew that along,, so much for your arrogance

@alwaysstranger . rubbish.. keeping on eating own words "ohhhhh. Really. Send me 1 link or article where they say that the sun revolves" you're full of shit

@alwaysstranger

https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=4dntrK4vrtEC&pg=PR5&lpg=PR5&dq=Academic+papers+on+"the+rotation+of+the+sun"&source=bl&ots=Td0QPq9plK&sig=dlH9BLuYLUX_amMF-6uzgPR2zfM&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Academic papers on "the rotation of the sun"&f=false

https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=ORZSAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA100&dq=Academic+papers+on+"the+revolution+of+the+sun"&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilzpHusfDVAhUJPFAKHXwUDNAQ6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q=Academic papers on "the revolution of the sun"&f=false

https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=8fZRAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA263&dq=Academic+papers+on+"the+revolution+of+the+sun"&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilzpHusfDVAhUJPFAKHXwUDNAQ6AEIMTAC#v=onepage&q=Academic papers on "the revolution of the sun"&f=false

@alwaysstranger
links saying the sun rotates and revolves

https://www.space.com/58-the-sun-formation-facts-and-characteristics.html

http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/milky-way-rotation

https://www.windows2universe.org/sun/Solar_interior/Sun_layers/differential_rotation.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Big-Questions/Does-the-sun-revolve-on-an-axis-or-is-it-stationary-in-the-middleof-the-solar-system/2005/06/10/1118347582434.html

https://www.quora.com/Does-the-sun-revolve-or-rotate

@alwaysstranger like seriously, "I can't".. hahahahaha.. you're such a joke

@alwaysstranger i never knew you were really this arrogant

@alwaysstranger wow.. for real ..

@alwaysstranger and I don't know much about your bullshit swirling fantasy .. but most mentions do states that the sun does rotates and revolves... so stop being arrogant and ignorant in the combination

@alwaysstranger like i said, they are two widely separated and unparalleled plain of perspectives

@alwaysstranger whatever terminology dude... the fact that it was static according to scientific fact is inadmissible

@alwaysstranger
Whatever dude, we could agree to disagree,
but your sentiments on Human evolution doesn't holds to who is scientific or not.. at one point in the scientific history all planetary bodies revolves around the sun and sun remain static.. but today that's bullshit of a theory, cos evidence now dictates that the sun is also revolving and not static, keep on waiting until science comes out and tell you that recent facts has change their postulates on Human evolution..

@alwaysstranger rather are you to believe in Human evolution.. you believe your ancestors were apes and monkeys.. bullshit

@AlwaysStranger :
In English, there is no perfect translation, but the words used in Arabic (wa-ma) include living beings and non living beings altogether, instead of another word wa-min which refers to only non-living things. So these two verses are already pointing out that there is other life as well created in these six stages. Here are couple of other verses which further elaborates that there is indeed life in the universe.

[30:27] And to Him belongs whosoever is in the heavens and the earth. All are obedient to Him.

[37:6] Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them and the Lord of the sun’s risings.

[42:30] And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and of whatever living creatures He has spread forth in both. And He has the power to gather them together when He pleases.

Note that Sun’s risings - the word used is plural of East. In our context it might be referring to other places in the universe where sun rises on some intelligent beings. Sun rising also means these planets are rotating on their axis like Earth.

Now coming back to the original question of six stages, Personally, I believe that these verses refer not only to six stages of creation of the universe itself, but also it is dividing the creation of our particular solar system, and later life on our planet Earth also into six stages. The reason for this is some other verses which give more details of these six stages like following:

[41:10] Say: ‘Do you really disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two days? And do you set up equals to Him?’ That is the Lord of the worlds.

[41:11] He placed therein firm mountains rising above its surface, and blessed it with abundance,and provided therein its foods in proper measure in four days — alike for all seekers.

[41:12] Then He turned to the heaven while it was something like smoke, and said to it and to the earth: ‘Come ye both of you, willingly or unwillingly.’ They said, ‘We come willingly.’

[41:13] So He completed them into seven heavens in two days, and He revealed to each heaven its function. And We adorned the lowest heaven with lamps for light and for protection. That is the decree of the Mighty, the All-Knowing.

To me this also shows the significance of the number 6, plus a 7th and the final when creation is completed and has start performing its assigned functions or duties. This 7th stage is what the Quran refers to as He settled Himself on the Throne. You sit on a throne, or on the chair of authority and control, when your creation is ready to serve its purpose. Its a metaphorical reference.

@alwaysstranger , i got these response and it's so logical to the core and i have also taken understanding from it..

Quran needs to be understood correctly and not literally translated word by word. Its not a text book of science either but provides ample scientific signs to those who actually ponder upon it.

The word yawm which in some places is translated as day, refers to other meanings as well depending upon in which context it is being used. Stages, period, or phases are some other meanings of the same word. Definition of this particular word is also given at another place within the Quran where its says that our one day can be equivalent to many thousand days for Lord Almighty. Point is, it is not our one 24 hour day which is being referred to when time of creation in mentioned.

Quran starts the history of the universe from a phenomenon similar to what was discovered in 1950s, and which we know as the Big Bang.

[21:31] “Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a closed-up mass, then We opened them out?”

Heavens and the earth in this context refers to what we now call the universe. The Arabic words used for the closed up mass (fa-ta-qa) and the opening of it (ra-ta-qa), very clearly refer to a concept of singularity and its well planned opening, not some random blast or explosion. Interestingly, this verse is also a prophecy, that it’d be the disbelievers (atheists) who would one day made this discovery. Observe the words of this verse again.

Then coming back to your question, Quran has mentioned the creation of the universe in six stages, not in six days, and has mentioned it in seven different verses. It has also divided these stages further, for those who want to better narrow down their research on these stages of creation. As I mentioned earlier, the Arabic word yawm, which is translated as day has also other meanings, stages or phases being two of them.

[25:60] He Who created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six periods, then He settled Himself on theThrone. The Gracious God! Ask thou then concerning Him one who knows.

[11:8] And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods

[7:55] Surely, your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods; then He settled Himself on the Throne.

[10:4] Verily, your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods, then He settled Himself on the Throne; He governs everything.

[32:5] Allah it is Who created the heavens and the earth, and that which is between them, in six periods; then He settled on the Throne. You have no helper or intercessor beside Him. Will you not then reflect?

[50:39] And verily, We created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six periods, and no weariness touched Us.

[57:5] He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods, then He settled Himself on the Throne.

There can be a long discussion on various signs, hints and directions which these verses provide. But one thing is for sure, they all refer to six stages of creation and a final and last stage of sitting on the Throne.