@Muhammad-Qureshi as i respect yours. i don't believe in the senseless torture of any living creature, and i agree with your point about hypocrisy. i choose to believe that it's unintentional ignorance. they are children of their upbringing, as are we all.

This is conflation. Rape is always rape but no does not always mean no. They are not the same topic and can't be spoken about as if they were.

@jian your example doesn't even mention anyone saying no. that was your addition. i've been raped, and i realize this isn't kind, but you're setting up an environment for contention, not for truth.

that's exactly why we have courts, judges, juries, lawyers and prisons. because it can be difficult to decide who's telling the truth.

take a look at the catholic church. that is a literal refuge for pedophiles.

far more aggressors go free than free men are incarcerated. it's an unfortunate truth. so are all the victims of rape.

i'm not certain i get your meaning. would you mind elaborating?

that's exactly why we have courts, judges, juries, lawyers and prisons. because it can be difficult to decide who's telling the truth.

women are considered a resource to protect because they are the mechanism that makes babies. without female, no baby. one man, many baby. one woman, one baby. do the math.

that's why men go to war. women also fight. if they want to, they should be allowed.

@sky1234 thank you for not taking offense, and i sincerely appreciate your consideration. this is such an important subject to talk about. i was trying to explain to a group the other day that teaching children not to rape is not the same as blaming them for raping. that's also conflation. it's tricky territory, which is why we need to talk it out.

@jian your example doesn't even mention anyone saying no. that was your addition. i've been raped, and i realize this isn't kind, but you're setting up an environment for contention, not for truth.

This is conflation. Rape is always rape but no does not always mean no. They are not the same topic and can't be spoken about as if they were.

@Muhammad-Qureshi as i respect yours. i don't believe in the senseless torture of any living creature, and i agree with your point about hypocrisy. i choose to believe that it's unintentional ignorance. they are children of their upbringing, as are we all.

@Muhammad-Qureshi respect is difficult when it doesn't mean the same to all people. i'm not morally against eating meat, but i am against commercial farming. i think it's disgusting. pasteurized milk is full of diseased pus and gunk from the ghb which causes severe pain, infection and swelling in the cow, and then they try to bleach it out before marketing. i can't drink milk.