Best posts made by somerandomperson

@marklad88 said in Here’s a topic: Are feelings a thing or just another form of manipulation?:

@somerandomperson both

Care to elaborate?

@Tall-M said in Here’s a topic: Are feelings a thing or just another form of manipulation?:

@somerandomperson then its a case per case

I know, the short answer is both, but the specifics of these cases seemed interesting.

@Tall-M said in Here’s a topic: Are feelings a thing or just another form of manipulation?:

@somerandomperson well that's the short answer to something that is too complicate to have a dfinitive answer

Life is complicated, math is complicated, philosophy is complicated, lots of things are complicated... I know that "simple" tends to be closer to "happiness" than "complicated", but does this mean that we should just refrain from searching for answers for "complicated" questions?

@Lazz said in Here’s a topic: Are feelings a thing or just another form of manipulation?:

@somerandomperson I see. Similar to philotic twining, only on a conscious level, with thought and control and drives behind the idea. Ok, yeah I get that.

Is your answer based on science fiction or mythology? I do appreciate you understanding the topic.

Hey.. Who likes secrets and aren't we all in search for a meaning to all of this?

@wet-teri said in What's the secret to/meaning of life?:

Doing something good for humanity something that helps everyone out.
That is the answer how to achieve it is the question.
Barring that a good life doing no harm to others providing for your family and leaving a good and true legacy is the best you can hope for.

But, isn't it human nature to always have a motive/desire? Something in exchange for your actions? Even when all you want is to help others, isn't that another way of saying "I'm doing this because it makes me feel good"? You're only doing it because it gives you some kind of rush... Does this mean that we do things in exchange for what we desire? I'm not sure if you were talking about selflessness, but can humans actually be that way?

@wet-teri said in What's the secret to/meaning of life?:

@somerandomperson
Sometimes not always I would say the majority of the times no not human beings in general although I know certain peoplewho would always be that way and I know certain people we would never be that way and whether it's human nature or not it is a common occurrence for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
I do a lot of things that I do not get pleasure from some of those I am compensated for others I am not. And sometimes I just do it to get it out of the way because that would be the lesser of the two evils

Something like a family member thinking in a way that does not "mix" with your way of thinking and you'll just side with them in order to avoid a "discussion"? Or a friend that is having a bad day or is just in a bad place and is trying to pick a fight with everyone and you just ignore common sense to make things better? There are more examples out there, but the conclusion is the same. Your goal is to have a good/calm/happy life, to still have someone close to you when the day ends. You have a desire and, probably, a limit. We're always able to go to some lengths to achieve what we want.

@Vlad20 said in What's the secret to/meaning of life?:

@somerandomperson
You don’t have to tell me I have got my own opinion, I already know that lol. Don’t get offended by it, no need.

That's not a bad thing. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's hard do get offended, I actually use common sense. You do your thing and I'll do mine. I respect your way of "being", just don't presume that everyone else will do the same.

Manipulation (or persuasion) can be used to change the behavior or perception of others (guess that I've answered the first part of my question...). One might have "good" intentions, but get "bad" results. This is not a question of intentions. We've all thought that we were doing the right thing, at some point, and we were terribly wrong about it. The question is; Is the existence of this "technique" harmful or not?

@D1Vne said in What is manipulation and is it harmful?:

@somerandomperson
Manipulation is, how I understand it, changing the outcome of something using actions which arent in line with the principle system or the morality system.

Manipulation is completely natural, and is made for us to exploit. From materialistic manipulations of basic laws of nature to give us the luxurious life, to simple manipulations of behaviour to give us desirable results.

It is not the act of manipulation which is harmful, but I would argue, that the intent is.
Take this anecdote. A leader manipulated his people into fighting the enemy nations. Now in one instance put the leader as Hitler, and in the other as Churchill. Both did the same acts of manipulations, but history treats one kindly and the other not.

Very well said. I've never expected to get a complex answer, well, here.
Now, let's analyse the facts. They both had grand ideas about the future (Let's just ignore the "politics" and "semantics" here) and thought that was the way to go further. Evidently, one lost and the other won. What does this say about the topic or, even, common seance?