Posts made by Julia

@emily He meant Sura 4, verse 34. A simple mistake.

@emily

Cool. That doesn't change the fact that the Quran is telling men that they're allowed to hit their wives.

Muslims can be okay but fundamentally Islam is not.

@how-to-make-a

Quadrillions.

Make that billions.

@emily
"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

Sura 4, verse 34.

@emily

It's written quite clearly that women are subservient to men and are worth 1/2 of a man.

It's also written quite clearly that Muhammad prompts Muslims to forcefully convert all infidels.

@emily

It's funny because those 'extremists' are technically the true muslims if you use the Quran and the Hadiths as reference material.

@how-to-make-a

Don't yell. Don't call anybody an idiot. That will never convince him of anything.

@Muslim First off, I apologize for @how-to-make-a behaviour. He's an idiot.

You don't try to refute my points, once again. They are valid, then. They are true.

Also, ad hominem arguments, arguments attacking the discussant instead of the thesis, are not valid in any way excepting arguments based on ethos, and that is largely irrelevant because we're on the internet.

The splitting of the moon - it's not proven that it's been split. There's a long hole on the moon, but no, it's not split in half and has not been in the same vein as you're thinking.

Also, could you just rephrase your mosquito part? I don't really understand that.

As for the glass part - no. His reasoning is the sound they make when they're crushed. It'd also require that life on Earth was silicon based, not carbon based, which nobody on this dirtball is.

@Muslim

First off, I never said that I was an atheist. I'm agnostic, stop assuming everyone refuting your religion to be atheists. Also, don't ask people to "tell me what do you think about islam" and then tell us we don't know anything about Islam. That's moronic - why did you ask in the first place?

You don't even try to refute my arguments. You instead point to other 'arguments' you have. That's called misdirection. It only shows that my arguments are valid and you desperately trying to stay true to your thesis.

Also, Terrorism, by Merriam-Webster: "the use of terror especially as a means of coercion"

Hiroshima and Nagasaki does not fall into that category, arguably, and the total casualties for Hiroshima was 135,000 people, not 300,000 people. Get your facts straight.

Mate, I'm not American. I don't get why'd you assume that, but okay.

When did I tell you that cows fly? Are you referring to evolution? Because according to evolution cows can't fly, but their ancestors, far back enough that they according to anthropology are not their ancestors, could fly.

@how-to-make-a Yes. Reading this thread made me angry due to the fact that nobody had fully debunked these heathens beliefs.

Eitherway, I'm still mad at you for not doing what I did. At least you know the truth.

Firstly, it's very obvious that Islam is not a religion of terrorism. However, it's still a religion of war, violence and sexism, among other nasty things.

How I know this, you may ask. It's very simple - just read the Quran casually.

First off, the matter of gender equality. Sura 4, verse 11, establishes that a man is worth twice the amount than women, legally. In other words, in Islam sexism is mathematically established.

Secondly, the rape part. Muhammad was not a peaceful hippie like Buddha or Jesus. He was a warlord. He kept hundreds of sex slaves and raped women in front of their husbands, defeated in battle, before he executed or enslaved them. He personally slew 800 Jewish men and boys. Not in combat, no - he executed them. (Abu Dawud 4390)

There's nothing especially wrong with this, though, as muslims are not Muhammad. Excepting the part about Islam where you're supposed to follow Muhammads example - try to be as much as a Muhammad as you can. So, technically, muslims are supposed to kill infidels, rape women and execute Jews! Incredible! (Sura 33, verse 21).

There's also the part where men are allowed to strike their men. Sura 4, verse 34 establishes that a man is allowed to hit his wife if she disobeys him, in all matters. You don't want to cook that evening? Well, it's his, your husband, right and duty to hit you.

Fourthly, Muhammad did not simply go to war with the infidels and non-believers. He also beckoned all muslims to do the same! He told his fellow muslims to fight against the infidels wherever they would find them, until they submit to Allah or die. This can be found in sura 9, verse 29.

Islam is also the only world religion that retains its followers membership by threatening to kill those that leave it. This is set by Muhammad's example. Hadith, Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260.¨

There's also the practical evidence. 18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).

Lets compare Muhammad to Jesus shortly. This is not to endorse Christianity, but only to show the contrast. Muhammad stoned a woman for adultery, (Muslim 4206
). Jesus? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." (John 8:7).

Ever heard an eye for an eye? If the world applied that logic, "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.", wise words as said by Gandhi. Muhammad had a different idea, though.

"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Quran 2:194)

Jesus?

"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)

There's also the matter of holy wars. These two prophets had entirely different ideas when it came to those, and war in general. Not only due to their actions in life, but also their preachings. Lets compare them.

"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)

This basically means that all that don't believe in Allah must die or convert to Islam. Splendid.

Jesus had, once again, another idea.
"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)

A final comparison will be the simple fact that Muhammad crucified people. Jesus was himself crucified, simply due to the fact that he did not comply in belief to others.

On top of all this, Islam is against democracy. It cannot exist in a secular society alongside a functioning government if you were to follow the beliefs advocated by the Quran and other holy texts. (Sura 33, verse 36, and sura 18, verse 26.)

It's pretty obvious what the answer to your question is. As a final gift, I leave you this wonderful quote:

"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)