loop holes in religion
Viktor last edited by
If god exists because how could intelligent beings such as us come to life, then who created the intelligent creature such as god.
Why would god make us the exact way we are and then punish some for being that way.
Y'all got any other plot holes or wanna answer my questions?
Religion is full of loopholes. You don't need to be a genius to find them.
"Is god willing to prevent evil but not able?
Then his is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?" - Epicurus the creator of epicurianism
P.S. the religious argument that says that "god gave us free will" is the reason for evil is disproven by neurology PhD Sam Harris which explains why free will is just an illusion caused by the fact that a brain isn't able to remember all the things that happened before a choice that caused it to make the choice
"God is all-powerful. God is all good. Evil exists. If god exists, there would be no evil. Therefore god does not exist" - Epicurus
@emily "he is wrong path" 10/10 english
@twistedbrain if everything can't come from nothing, your god isn't and can't be an exception just because you want to.
"Where did the universe come from?
-God made it
which doesn't really solve the problem for me because then let's say "who mede god?" And if they say "well he's always been around" well let's just say the universe has always been around, let's just cut out the middle man, it saves time" - Ricky Gervais
@viktor "can god make a rock so heavy that he can't lift it" - some greek philosopher, probably zeno
@twistedbrain Are you stupid. Why say that there is something which created the universe but he was never created instead of just saying that the universe was always around and was never created (P.S. Stephen Hawking made a documentary explaining how the view that the universe was always around and was never created is something that's backed up by science). And also using verses from the quran that also say that Allah was always around doesn't prove that allah exists, using verses from the bible that say that god always existed doesn't prove that god exists. Your argument is unvalid since it can also be used to prove the existence of zeus, Allah and the flying spaghetti monster
Ilija Gromovnik last edited by
@how-to-make-a I wonder how much the ''New Age and LGBTQ'' lobists are paying you for spreading so many lies and propaganda?!
@totenkopf you're crazy. I'm not getting paid by anyone. I dont have money, I'm poor as fuck
@totenkopf and what you're doing right now is using an ad-hominim fallacy. You're saying "you're getting paid by the LGBTQ organisation there for everything you say is a lie and wrong" which doesn't mean anything. Even if i was getting paid by the LGBTQ organisations that doesn't mean that everything i say is a lie. You need to prove that the things i say are lies. If you just say "you're wrong" without explaining how, you're just wasting everyone's time
You are saying that I'm out if my mind and crazy, explain why. You're saying that I'm wrong, explain why. You can't just say things for no reason
@totenkopf just saying that you explained your points and proved me wrong but I'm just ignoring your perfect arguments because I'm mind washed doesn't make it true.
What did you explain?
What is the thing that you proved wrong?
1st the truth is not a matter of opinion
2nd there are important messages throughout this comment and most importantly at the end so read the whole comment
3rd thing, you do not have proof that the bible is written by a god but i have proof that it isn't, My proof is that an all loving, all good god wouldn't have ordered man to write down all of these things in his book:
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)
“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)
“In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)
VIOLENCE AND SADOMASOCHISM(loving a person you feer):
“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)
“Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)
“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)
“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)
“And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)
‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)
“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)
And these are just a couple of verses
P.S. usually after i show a Christian these verses he tells me that it doesn't matter because most of these are in the old testament, well the 10 commandments are also in the old testament so do you also not want the 10 commandements? And by the way, there are no scenarios where a just and all good god would say “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” or “In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” or “Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” and a lot of other verses
@twistedbrain i don't want to waste my time answering all of your points because you will start to have cognitive distenence and ignore everything i say.
So I'm just going to disprove the one about homosexuality being unnatural, see if you aren't mundwashed to the point where you'll ignore the evidence i show you, and if you are open minded enough I'll go ahead and disprove the other points you made
you are wrong by the definition of the word unnatural.
Definition of unnatural:
"contrary to the ordinary course of nature; abnormal."
1 there are a lot of animals that have sexual behaviours in nature
2 since being gay as a human is genetic and caused by the X28q chromosome
3 since being gay isn't a choice which is proved by the fact that in 2015 a professor created an algorithm that can guess the sexual orientation of someone with 70% accuracy
4 since being gay doesn't harm humanity because there is an overpopulation on earth
5 studies in psychology do not agree that homosexuality is a mental disorder
That means that being gay is not
"contrary to the ordinary course of nature; abnormal."
But it is it is natural
Definition of natural:
"existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind."
So you are by definition wrong when you say that "being gay is unnatural".
"The good thing about science is that it's true weather you believe in it or not"-Neil deGrasse tyson (a radical atheist)
The truth isn't a matter of opinion. If you disagree that's your right but if you actually want to prove me wrong you will have to prove that ALL, not just one but ALL these 5 points are true
1 there aren't a lot of animals that have sexual behaviours in nature
2 being gay as a human is not genetic and caused by the X28q chromosome
3 being gay is not a choice which isn't disproved by the fact that in 2015 a professor created an algorithm that can guess the sexual orientation of someone with 70% accuracy
4 being gay somehow harms humanity because there is not an overpopulation on earth
5 that studies in psychology do agree that homosexuality is a mental disorder
@twistedbrain the good thing about science is that it's true if you believe in it or not. I have presented scientific evidence that disproves your claim that being gay is unnatural. Unless you disprove that the evidence i presented then all you're showing is that you don't believe in science. Is that understood?
@twistedbrain to prove me wrong and stop making this a matter of opinion you'll logically need to disprove the scientific evidence i showed you. Go open up the linls i showed wrote down and read what's written there
@twistedbrain And then try to disprove it, anything else would be a logical fallacy
@twistedbrain i already told you that i don't believe in your bible. It being a sin in your bible means that it's bad, if the only reason why you think that it's bad is because you believe in the bible that means that the bible is opposite to science. So fuck you're bible because science is true if you believe in it or not. Science has already proven that the earth is vastly older than 10 thousand years old and that evolution is true. As richard dawkins (richard dawkins is a PhD in biology and a professor at Oxford) says in his book "the greatest show on earth" that there's as much evidence for evolution as there is for the holocaust. So not believing in evolution is as wrong as not believing in the holocaust
And watch this too
Big History: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8dPuuaLjXtMczXZUmjb3mZSU1Roxnrey
Have fun : )
TwistedBrain last edited by
Well for me, God is as He is. No one created Him, because it's He who created us. If there is no God, then there is nothing. And God gives us the free will. The choice to obey/follow Him or not. And yeah, just saying this, but I am not going to deny that I believe in God