CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted)



  • ON FAITH
    Q. What is Faith?
    A. According to the definition of St. Paul, Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (Heb. xi. 1); that is, a trust in the unseen as though it were seen, in that which is hoped and waited for as if it were present
    Q. Is faith necessary to salvation?
    A. It is; St. Paul assuring that without faith it is impossible to please God. Heb. xi. 6. and St. Mark, xvi. 16, saying, He that believeth not shall be condemned.
    Q. What is the difference between knowledge and faith?
    A. Knowledge has for its object things visible and comprehensible; faith, things which are invisible, and even incomprehensible. Knowledge is founded on experience, on examination of its object; but faith on belief of testimony to truth. Knowledge belongs properly to the intellect, although it may also act on the heart; faith belongs principally to the heart, although it is imparted through the intellect.
    Q. Why must a life accord to faith, and good works, be inseparable from this faith?
    A. Because, as the Word of God testifies, Faith without works is dead James ii. 20.
    Q. Why is knowledge need in faith?
    A. Primarily by way of the study and assimilation of the teachings of the Messengers of Light and of the seers and sages of the Christian faith and by way of the amplification of these by individual insight. Jesus proclaimed to the Jews that “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John viii. 31-32
    Q. Why is faith important to gaining knowledge and necessary in religious instruction?
    A. Because the chief object of this instruction is God invisible and incomprehensible, and the wisdom of God hidden in a mystery; consequently, many parts of this learning cannot be embraced by knowledge, but may be received by faith. Faith, says St. Cyril of Jerusalem, is the eye which enlightened every man's conscience; it gives man knowledge. For, as the prophet says, If ye will not believe, ye shall not understand. Isa. vii. 9; Cyr. Cat. v.
    Q. Can you illustrate further the necessity of faith?
    A. St. Cyril thus illustrates it:
    It is not only amongst us, who hear the name of Christ, that faith is made so great a thing; but everything which is done in the world, even by men who are unconnected with the Church, is done by faith. Agriculture is founded on faith; for no one who did not believe that he should gather in the increase of the fruits of the earth would undertake the labor of husbandry. Mariners are guided by faith when they intrust their fate to a slight plank, and prefer the agitation of the unstable waters to the more stable element of the earth. They give themselves up to uncertain expectations, and retain for themselves nothing but faith, to which they trust more than to any anchors. Cyr. Cat. V

    On Divine Revelation.
    Q. Whence is the doctrine of the orthodox faith derived?
    A. From divine revelation.
    Q. What is meant by the words divine revelation?
    A. That which God himself has revealed to men, in order that they might rightly and savingly believe in him, and worthily honor him.
    Q. Has God given such a revelation to all men?
    A. He has given it for all, as being necessary for all alike and capable of bringing salvation to all; but, since not all men are capable of receiving a revelation immediately from God, he has employed special persons as heralds of his revelation, to deliver it to all who are desirous of receiving it.
    Q. Why are not all men capable of receiving a revelation immediately from God?
    A. Owing to their sinful impurity, and weakness both in soul and body.
    Q. Who were the heralds of divine revelation?
    A. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and other Prophets, received and preached the beginnings of divine revelation; but it was the incarnate Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ, who brought it to earth, in its fullness and perfection, and spread it over all the world by his Disciples and Apostles For No man knoweth the Son but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Matt. xi. 27.
    Q. Cannot man, then, have any knowledge of God without a special revelation from him?
    A. Man may have some knowledge of God by contemplation of those things which he has created; but this knowledge is imperfect and insufficient, and can serve only as a preparation for faith, or as a help towards the knowledge of God from his revelation. For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead. Rom. i. 20.

    Articles of Faith
    Q. What are Articles of Faith?
    A. The Creed is an exposition, in few but precise words, of that doctrine which all Christians are bound to believe.
    Q. What are the words, of this exposition?
    A. 1. I believe in one God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible; (S. Petrus.) 2. I believe in Jesus Christ His only Son our Lord; (S. Andreas.) 3. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, and born of the Virgin Mary; (S. John Evangelist.) 4. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. (S. Jacobus Major.) He descended to the dead. 5. On the third day He rose again. He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.(S.Thomas.) 6. He ascended into heaven, & sitteth on the right hand of God the Father almighty. (S. Jacobus Minor.) 7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. (S. Philippus.) 8. And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord, the Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, who spake by the Prophets. (S. Bartholomew.) 9. I believe one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church and the Communion of Saints. (S. Matthew.) 10. I believe in the baptism for the remission of sins.( S. Simon.) 11. I look for the resurrection of the dead; (S. Judas Thad.) 12. And the life of the world to come. Amen. (S. Matthias.)

    On the First Article
    Q. What does the first article mean?
    A. I believe in God the Father almighty, Creator of heaven & earth. We must believe in god the Father almighty, the first person in Trinity, the Creator and maker of heaven and earth, and of all creatures therein, both visible and invisible.(Gen I.)
    Q. Can you show from Holy Scripture that faith in God must consist in this?
    A. The Apostle Paul writes: Without faith it is impossible to please God; for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them, that diligently seek him. Heb. xi. 6. The same Apostle expresses the effect of faith on Christians in the following prayer for them to God: That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man, that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith. Eph. iii. 16, 17.
    Q. Why is it not said in the Creed simply, I believe in God, rather than with the addition, in one God?
    A. In order to contradict the error of the heathen, who, taking the creature for God, thought there were many gods.
    Q. What does Holy Scripture teach us of the unity of God?
    A. The very words of the Creed on this point are taken from the following passage of the Apostle Paul: There is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as there be gods many, and lords many, but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Cor. viii. 4, 5, 6.
    Q. What signifies the word Father?
    A. It signifies the first person of the most blessed Trinity, who by nature is the Father of his own only begotten Son, the second Person of the blessed Trinity; by adoption is the Father of all good Christians; and by creations is the Father of all creatures
    Q. Why is God called the Almighty ( Παντοκράτορα )?
    A. Because he upholds all things by his power and his will.
    Q. What is expressed by the words of the Creed, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible?
    A. This: that all was made by God, and that nothing can be without God.
    Q. Are not these words taken from the Holy Scripture?
    A. They are. The book of Genesis begins thus: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. The Apostle Paul, speaking of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, says: By him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him. Coloss. i. 16.
    Q. What is meant in the Creed by the word invisible?
    A. The invisible or spiritual world, to which belong the angels.

    Q. What are the angels?
    A. Incorporeal spirits, having intelligence, will, and power.
    Q. What means the name angel?
    A. It means "messenger", for the most frequent role of angels is that of messengers and mediators between the PLEROMA and the world of humans.
    Q. Is there any example of Angles acting as mediators?
    A. An example would be, Gabriel was sent by God to announce to the Most Holy Virgin Mary the conception of the Saviour.
    Q. Which angelic hierarchies and individual angels are known to us?
    A. There are nine orders or "choirs" of angels: Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominions (or Dominations), Virtues, Powers, Principalities (Kingdoms), Archangels and Angels. The canonical scriptures mention three angels by name: the Archangels Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel. Scripture also mention most of these angels and add numerous others such as t, Eleleth, and many others.
    Q. When did God create the angels?
    A. On the first day when he created heaven and earth, Gen. i. where Moses implies the creation of angels in the word heaven, and makes no other mention of it. The Nicene Creed, interpreting the Apostles' Creed, says, that the words Creator of heaven and earth mean all things visible and invisible.
    Q. Which was created first, the visible world or the invisible?
    A. The invisible was created before the visible, and the angels before men.
    Q. Can we find any testimony to this in Holy Scripture? In the book of Job God himself speaks of the earth thus: Who laid the corner-stone thereof?
    A. When the stars were CREATED, all my angels praised me with a loud voice. Job xxxviii. 6, 7.
    Q. For what end did God create them?
    A. To be partakers of his glory, and our guardians.
    Q. Has each one of us his guardian angels?
    A. Without doubt. Of this we may be assured from the following words of Jesus Christ: Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones: for I say unto you, that in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father, which is in heaven. Matt. xviii. 10.
    Q. Do the angels know our necessities, and hear our prayers?
    A. Doubtless they do, since God has deputed them to be our guardians; which is also proved out of Zach. i 12. where an angel prays for two whole cities; the words are 'Then the angel of the Lord answered and said, O Lord of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on the cities of Juda and Jerusalem, against which thou hast been angry these seventy years?'
    Q. Is conscience the voice of god or of our guardian angel?
    A. When the spirit passes out of the body at death, the panorama of its past life passes before it during the first three and one-half days after its release from the body. These pictures are etched into the desire body and form the basis of? Life in Purgatory and the First Heaven, which are located in the Desire World. The past life is reproduced in pictures shifting backward so that the scenes which happened just previous to death are first gone over; then follows the life toward childhood and infancy. In Purgatory only the scenes where the soul did wrong are reenacted, and the soul sees itself as being the one whom it wronged and suffers as those suffered whom it wronged in earth life. The record of these sufferings is indelibly engrave upon the seed atom, which is the only part of the dense body the soul takes with it and keeps permanently from life to life. This is, in a way, the "book" of the "Recording Angel," and as the suffering caused by a certain act has been engraved upon this seed atom in Purgatory, it is evident that when in a new life similar circumstances arise and the old temptations come before us, the suffering which we experienced because of that wrong deed is present in the seed atom to warn us that such and such a course of action is wrong. That is the "voice of conscience," and if the suffering entailed in Purgatory was sufficiently intense, we shall have the power to resist whatever temptation comes before us. If, on the other hand, from certain different causes, the suffering was not keen enough, we may yield permanently or temporarily in another life to the same temptations that cost suffering in previous lives; we may yield even against the small murmurings of conscience. But when we are released from our bodies and pass into Purgatory the next time, we shall there have the added suffering caused by our yielding to temptation, and the cumulative effects of this suffering will at last be sufficient to restrain us from the course which caused us pain. When a temptation has come before us in an earth life and has been put aside consciously, we have learned the lesson and conscience has accomplished its purpose. Replying definitely to the question, we may therefore say that conscience is the spirit's memory of past sufferings occasioned by the mistakes in previous lives.
    Q. What Scripture have you for praying to angels?
    A. Gen. xlviii. 16, where Jacob on his death bed prayed to an angel for Ephraim and Manasses, saying, 'The angel of the Lord that delivered me from all evils, bless these children.' This place is cited for prayer to the angels in the notes of the Rhemish Testament upon it, and is confirmed to signify a created angel by St. Basil, lib. 3. cont. Dunon. sub initio: And St. Chrysosthom. 7. in laudem Sancti Pauli.
    Q. Whence is taken the name of guardian angels?
    A. From the following words of holy Scripture: He shall give his angels charge over thee, to guard thee in, all thy ways. Psalm xci. 11.
    Q. Has each one of us his guardian angels?
    A. Without doubt. Of this we may be assured from the following words of Jesus Christ: Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones: for I say unto you, that in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father, which is in heaven. Matt. xviii. 10.
    Q. Are all angels good and beneficent?
    A. No. There are also evil angels, otherwise called devils.
    Q. How did they get consumed by nefariousness?
    A. They were created good, but they swerved from their duty of perfect obedience to God, and so fell away from him into self-will, pride, and malice. According to the words of the Apostle Jude, they are the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation. Jude 6.
    Q. What means the name devil?
    A. It means slanderer or deceiver.
    Q. Why are the evil angels called devils that is, slanderers or deceivers?
    A. Because they are ever laying snares for men, seeking to deceive them, and inspire them with false notions and evil wishes. Of this Jesus Christ, speaking to the unbelieving Jews, says: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it. John viii. 44.
    Q. That has Holy Scripture revealed to us of the creation of the world?
    A. In the beginning God created from nothing the heaven and the earth; and the earth was without form and void. Afterwards God successively produced: on the first day of the world, light; on the second, the firmament or visible heaven; on the third, the gathering together of waters on the earth, the dry land, and what grows thereupon; on the fourth, the sun, moon, and stars; on the fifth, fishes and birds; on the sixth, four-footed creatures living on the earth, and lastly, man. With man the creation finished; and on the seventh day God rested from all his works. Hence the seventh day was called the Sabbath, which in the Hebrew tongue means rest. Gen. ii. 2.
    Q. Were the visible creatures created such as we see them now?
    A. No. At the creation everything was very good, that is, pure, beautiful, and harmless.
    Q. Are we not informed of something particular in the creation of man?
    A. God in the Holy Trinity said: Let us make man in our own image, and after our likeness. Gen. i. 26. And God made the body of the first man, Adam, from the earth; breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; brought him into Paradise; gave him for food, beside the other fruits of Paradise, the fruit of the tree of life; and lastly, having taken a rib from Adam while he slept, made from it the first woman, Eve. Gen. ii. 22.
    Q. In what consists the image of God?
    A. It consists, as explained by the Apostle Paul, In righteousness and holiness of truth. Eph. iv. 24.
    Q. What is the breath of life?
    A. The soul, a substance spiritual and immortal.
    Q. How may the human soul being be described?
    A. The human soul is a spark of God's light, an effective part of God, separated from God in outer manifestation, but retaining a living connection with its ultimate source.
    Q. How do you prove the soul to be immortal?
    A. Out of Matt. x. 28, where Christ saith, 'Fear not them that kill the body, and cannot kill
    the soul.'
    Q. What other proof have you?
    A. Out of Eccles. xii. 7. At our death the dust returns to the earth from whence it was, and the spirit to God that gave it.
    Q. In what state did God create man?
    A. In the state of original justice, and perfection of all natural gifts.

    Q. Do we owe much to God for our creation?
    A. Very much, seeing he made us in such perfect state, creating us for himself, and all
    things else for us.
    Q. How did we lose original justice?
    A. By Adam's disobedience to God, in eating the forbidden fruit.
    Q. In what state are we now born?
    A. In the state of original sin, and prone to actual sin, subject to death.
    Q. How prove you that?
    A. Out of Rom. v. 12. 'By one man sin entered into the world, and by sin death; and so unto all men death did pass, in whom all have sinned.'
    Q. Had man ever died, if he had never sinned?
    A. No, he had not, but had been converted by the tree of life, and been translated alive into the fellowship of the angels.

    On the Second Article
    Q. What does the second article mean?
    A. We must believe in Jesus Christ the second person in Trinity, his only Son our Lord, begotten of his Father before the beginning of the world: very God of the true God, light of light, being of the same substance with the Father. (Matth. 16., Heb. I.)
    Q. How are we to understand the names Jesus Christ, the Son of God?
    A. Son of God is the name of the second Person of the Holy Trinity in respect of his Godhead: This same Son of God was called Jesus, when he was conceived and born on earth as man; Christ is the name given him by the Prophets, while they were as yet expecting his advent upon earth.
    Q. Why was this name given to the Son of God at his conception and birth on earth?
    A. Because he was conceived and born to save men.

    Q. What means the name Jesus?
    A. It signifies a Saviour, St. Matt. i. 21.
    Q. By whom was the name Jesus first given?
    A. By the Angel Gabriel.
    Q. Is any special honour due to that name?
    A. There is, because it is the highest title of God made man.
    Q. How prove you that?
    A. Out of Phil. ii. 8, 9, 10, where we read, 'God hath given unto Christ because he has humbled himself unto the death of the cross, a name which is above all names, the name of Jesus.'
    Q. What other proof have you?
    A. Because there is no other name under heaven given to man, in which we must be saved. Acts iv. 12.
    Q. How prove you that we must bow at this name?
    A. Out of Phil. ii. 10. That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow of those that are in heaven, on earth and in hell.
    Q. What means the name Christ?
    A. Anointed.
    Q. Why is he called the Anointed?
    A. From the anointing with holy ointment, through which are bestowed the gifts of the Holy Ghost.
    Q. Is it only Jesus, the Son of God, who is called Anointed?
    A. No. Anointed was in old time a title of kings, high-priests, and prophets.
    Q. Why, then, is Jesus, the Son of God, called The Anointed?
    A. Because to his manhood were imparted without measure all the gifts of the Holy Ghost; and so he possesses in the highest degree the knowledge of a prophet, the holiness of a high-priest, and the power of a king.
    Q. What mean the words, his only Son our Lord?
    A. They mean that Jesus Christ is the only Son of God the Father, begotten, as he is God, and of the same Father from all eternity, without a mother; and therefore is coequal and consubstantial to his Father; and consequently infinite, omnipotent Creator, and so Lord of us and all things, as the Father is.
    Q. Does Holy Scripture call Jesus the Only-begotten?
    A. It does. For instance, in the following places of the Evangelist John: The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the Only-begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John i. 14. No man hath, seen God at any time; the Only-begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. John i. 18.



  • @Vicious-Retard said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    Introduction
    Q. What is man?

    A: man is a biological creature found on planet Earth with a certain amount of DNA that differentiates if from other creatures.

    @Vicious-Retard said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    Q. Whom do you call a Christian Catholic man?

    A: some guy that thinks another guy has magical powers just because he goes to a certain building and splashes water on people.

    @Vicious-Retard said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    Q. How, or by what means are you made a Christian?

    A: by saying "i found god" even though there has been no missing person report filed regarding him.

    @Vicious-Retard said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    Q.Of what things ought a Christian man first to be instructed and taught

    A: the same thing that everyone else should first be taught: be good to each other. And that doesn't take an item list.

    @Vicious-Retard said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    Q.By what entrance must we come unto God?

    A: oh this one is just begging for me to cum up with a pun

    @Vicious-Retard said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    Q. What is faith

    A: faith is believing something is true... Regardless of facts that may prove otherwise.

    @Vicious-Retard said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    Q. Is faith necessary to salvation?

    A: insufficient information provided. The definition of salvation is not in this post. Please specify:
    Salvation Army?
    Salvaged vehicle title?
    Salvage Ship Claim?
    Etc.

    I love questionnaires 😊



  • @ScruffyMutt said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    @Vicious-Retard said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    Introduction
    Q. What is man?

    A: man is a biological creature found on planet Earth with a certain amount of DNA that differentiates if from other creatures.

    You know I like your humor 🤗

    @Vicious-Retard said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    Q. Whom do you call a Christian Catholic man?

    A: some guy that thinks another guy has magical powers just because he goes to a certain building and splashes water on people.

    But I don't agree with your mockery 😋

    @Vicious-Retard said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    Q. How, or by what means are you made a Christian?

    A: by saying "i found god" even though there has been no missing person report filed regarding him.

    You know I bet someone did file that report in history. Always with those unfounded accusations 😂

    @Vicious-Retard said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    Q.Of what things ought a Christian man first to be instructed and taught

    A: the same thing that everyone else should first be taught: be good to each other. And that doesn't take an item list.

    People these days really think true religion is about being good people. But it is quite the opposite. True religion is about God and God only. Doing good will not save you...

    @Vicious-Retard said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    Q.By what entrance must we come unto God?

    A: oh this one is just begging for me to cum up with a pun

    @Vicious-Retard said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    Q. What is faith

    A: faith is believing something is true... Regardless of facts that may prove otherwise.

    The word you were looking for is ideological possession. I don't even understand how you would imagine this to be a good counterargument against the christian catholic faith, since nobody has ever found the slightest proof of god's nonexistence...

    True (christian) faith on the other hand is a form of trust. Dogmata (things you believe) only are of secondary importance.

    @Vicious-Retard said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    Q. Is faith necessary to salvation?

    A: insufficient information provided. The definition of salvation is not in this post. Please specify:
    Salvation Army?
    Salvaged vehicle title?
    Salvage Ship Claim?
    Etc.

    I love questionnaires 😊

    @Vicious-Retard the cathechism has never converted anyone to christianity 😂. I wonder what your motive is for posting it here 🤔 no offense 😋



  • @petrapark3r said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    I don't even understand how you would imagine this to be a good counterargument against the christian catholic faith, since nobody has ever found the slightest proof of god's nonexistence...

    I can not find the slightest proof of the nonexistence of bikini-wearing-transgender-wife swapping-Natzi-dinosaurs living near the hollow core of our moon. That does not mean they exsist.



  • @ScruffyMutt said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    @petrapark3r said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    I don't even understand how you would imagine this to be a good counterargument against the christian catholic faith, since nobody has ever found the slightest proof of god's nonexistence...

    I can not find the slightest proof of the nonexistence of bikini-wearing-transgender-wife swapping-Natzi-dinosaurs living near the hollow core of our moon. That does not mean they exsist.

    Of course not. But you called faith believing regardless of facts that prove otherwise. There are no facts that prove otherwise 🤷

    However there is quite a bit of evidence (no scientific proof though 🤷) that God, in contrast to bikini-wearing-transgender-wife-swapping-nazi-dinosaurs, might in fact exist...

    However I'm not even so sure that bikin-wearing-transgender-wife-swapping-nazi-dinosaurs might not be another official (existing!) gender in our strange times 😂



  • @petrapark3r ah, but if the proof of God is the Bible, so much of the Bible has been disproven. There is no other proof of God.



  • You are confusing me... Are you talking about the church of zion or the catholic church?



  • @ScruffyMutt said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    @petrapark3r ah, but if the proof of God is the Bible, so much of the Bible has been disproven. There is no other proof of God.

    There is no proof of God, period. The bible is not a proof of God, and in all honesty, if you think the bible has been disproven, you haven't begun to understand what the bible speaks about...

    Let's take Genesis for example. In Genesis there are actually two stories of how the world was created. In the first the order of creation is as follows:

    • Heaven & Earth
    • Light
    • Water
    • Plants
    • Stars
    • Fish & Birds
    • Land Animals, Man & Woman

    In the second the order of creation is this

    • Heaven & Earth
    • Plants
    • Man
    • Garden of Eden
    • Animals
    • Woman

    So, which one is to be understood literally? Answer: none. Genesis does not even speak of how the world was literally created. It speaks of God's relation to His creation. Both stories speak (among other things) about who we as human beings are in relation to God, and in relation to each other and to the world. In fact it is an amazing story because it is thousands of years older than the bible itself, and it already speaks of man and woman both being created in God's image. If you want to get a non-religious understanding of the significance of stories like the one in Genesis I suggest Peterson's lectures on the bible.

    About the "proof" thingy, the following topic might be an interesting read 🙂



  • @ScruffyMutt said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):

    @petrapark3r ah, but if the proof of God is the Bible, so much of the Bible has been disproven. There is no other proof of God.

    This is a fun thing really: because many of the things that people thought were disproven in the bible, have actually been discovered to be true in recent years, like the burning bush for example, or the fact that people can indeed sweat blood. I think I shall make a topic about that soon.



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