Indians,how exactly do you identify the caste of a person?



  • Is it just by knowing a part of a person's name or is it skin colour/hair pattern/height/ethnicity/shape and structure of face/location or what?
    Another question is that:if names are the only way to identify castes then why don't people belonging to lower caste change their names and become upper caste? (Obviously some might have done this but why not the remainig ones are doing so?)

    *please do not post anything offensive against anyone.


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    @99mbd said in Indians,how exactly do you identify the caste of a person?:

    Is it just by knowing a part of a person's name or is it skin colour/hair pattern/height/ethnicity/shape and structure of face/location or what?

    Just the last name is enough.

    There are no certain defining traits, but one rule of the thumb is that most of the people belonging to the so called "lower castes" have lower incomes or are poorly educated so you can identify using those factors. You can check the Socio-economic caste census's figures to check out that most of the people living Below Poverty Line either belong to scheduled castes or scheduled tribes.

    @99mbd said in Indians,how exactly do you identify the caste of a person?:

    Another question is that:if names are the only way to identify castes then why don't people belonging to lower caste change their names and become upper caste? (Obviously some might have done this but why not the remainig ones are doing so?)

    It doesn't work that way.

    1. Social Reasons:

    Even if you change your last name, you will still be living in the same area knowing and talking to the same people and they will remember and on purpose refer you using your earlier last name and then say it was a mistake as they have used your castiest last name for years.

    2. Legal Reasons.

    • When you change your last name legally government publishes your new name and changes in a official gazette, but it refuses to change any or your old documents. And you are supposed to attach a xerox of this gazette every time you submit your documents for any purpose. And since you have all your old documents using your castiest surname, the legal change counts for nothing, but instead it creates a image in the eyes of the document verifier that you tried to become one of the "elite castes".

    • And since all the new documents need some sort of proof or a basis of earlier document they will issue the new documents based on the castiest surname and again your legal change will amount to nothing.

    • For the kids, its the same thing, they use father's and mother's documents to issue documents for the newborn kids so the documents will be issued on the castiest surnames and kid is stuck with the name.

    For girls, the Supreme Court has stated that caste is decided by birth and not by marriage so they can marry anyone their caste won't change.

    Your father's caste if your caste so there is no way to get rid of it. You can try to change your religion but it still legally doesn't change your status and you will carry your caste into the new religion.

    So if you are born in the so called "lower castes" in India, you are stuck with it.

    @99mbd said in Indians,how exactly do you identify the caste of a person?:

    Aryanism

    There is no proof about an Aryan invasion, there are just myths and stories, and only the marxist and the other leftist historians stick to that Aryan invasion view.



  • @99mbd

    Is it just by knowing a part of a person's name or is it skin colour/hair pattern/height/ethnicity/shape and structure of face/location or what?

    These things might be considered while identifying a caste of an individual, but it doesnt work all the time and in all cases

    Another question is that:if names are the only way to identify castes then why don't people belonging to lower caste change their names and become upper caste? (Obviously some might have done this but why not the remainig ones are doing so?)

    No idea about this.



  • @obviouslylucifer u mean that it is illegal to have a different surname for a newborn child that is different from his/her father's? (I know at least one hindu who doesn't have any surname.his maternal one is "chakraborty")

    Plus,a few hindus(not the most) i personally know have secular surnames which dont indicate any specific religion...what about such cases?


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    @99mbd said in Indians,how exactly do you identify the caste of a person?:

    it is illegal to have a different surname for a newborn child that is different from his/her father's?

    They won't register your kid under a different surname from his father's surname.
    And without registration the kid will get no facilities from the state.
    So there is no question of legality.

    @99mbd said in Indians,how exactly do you identify the caste of a person?:

    I know at least one hindu who doesn't have any surname.

    It is pretty common custom in South Indian states to not use surnames.

    They usually stick to just first names or first name and fathers name, and in certain cases if they are compelled to use a last name they use their village name of the name of their house.

    eg. PT Usha or P Chidambaram.

    @99mbd said in Indians,how exactly do you identify the caste of a person?:

    i personally know have secular surnames which dont indicate any specific religion...what about such cases?

    In that case that person is one lucky guy and will probably never be directly discriminated against.

    But then again, the Old Indian uncles are never too shy to directly ask to your face "Which caste do you belong to?" They will always try to justify it in some of the other sense but some of them are shameless enough to ask you that directly with a stone cold face.


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  • @obviouslylucifer does the rule of inherited surname also apply to any other communities(like muslims, christians etc.)to whom names are not that important ?

    is it necessarily surname that is to be inherited or is it any part of the father's name (like part of a name that doesn't indicate any caste)?

    does the national id card or other documents directly contain the caste of a person ?






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