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    @sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

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    He means the ethical question of weather an embryo is human life or not which has a religious answer that is anti-research

    Yes, it has a religious answer but that doesn't mean that everyone opposed it just for that one answer.

    THAT'S THE ONLY ANTI E.S.C. RESEARCH ANSWERS AND ITS RELIGIOUS=EVERYONE WHO WAS AGAINST STEM CELL RESEARCH WAS USING RELIGIOUS LOGIC

    THEY ARE RELIGIOUS STATEMENTS

    They are

    You are repeating my statement. You used the same argument against me once, remember.
    https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/does_ethics_require_religion

    ETHICS CAN EITHER BE RELIGIOUS OR SECULAR
    SECULAR = SUPPORTS STEM CELL RESEARCH
    RELIGIOUS = OPPOSES STEM CELL RESEARCH
    THEREFORE THIS WAS RELIGIOUS ETHICS

    ethical concerns pondered by scientists and by parents who want to help their children, or who want to have children; recognized widespread religious debate

    Again, I talked about this. Religion is shown to be one of the reasons.

    Let me fix this:

    ethical concerns pondered by scientists and by religious parents who want to help their children, or who want to have children; recognized widespread religious debate

    Scientists were always around 75% pro-E.S.C. because that is what is and was the percentage of neurologists and biologists back then research as evident from the book.

    The percentage of atheists is so today but I'm not sure 15 years ago but it was probably very similar.

    All the rest of the people who were against stem cell research were religious.

    And the rest of the ethical reasons and there's no mention about whether that ethics are influenced by the religion or rather based on a more secular reason.

    YOU DON'T NEED A MENTION.

    There is NO FUCKING WAY FOR SECULAR MORALITY TO OPPOSE ESC RESEARCH BECAUSE YOU PRIMARILY NEED TO BELIEVE THE AN EMBRYO IS A SACRED LIFE FORM WITH A SOUL TO OPPOSE ESC RESEARCH THEREFORE THE ETHICS WAS RELIGIOUS. FUUUUUUUCK. HOW IS THIS NO CLEAR TO YOU

    Here Bush finally stated his belief that life is a “sacred gift from our Creator,” and that he feels compelled to promote the protection of and respect for life.

    Now, this is slightly tricky. In here he is saying that life is a sacred gift and it is meant to be protected and the prevalent ethicist (Scientist, doctors and proffesor) in that opposition believes that the embryo is a life in itself.

    Wrong. It was just him who believed that. Non-religious Scientists (which are most scientists) were clear on that an embryo was not a sacred form of human life and so were atheists. This is a purely religious belief as evident. But forget the doctors. A lot of US doctors don't even believe in evolution, they're idiots so not for the sake of argument they're opinion is irrelevant. As apparent from the fact that lots of US doctors don't believe in evolution that means that a lot of them are religious so of course they'd be taking the religious side if the argument.

    It could either mean that he thinks due to religious reason or since the ethics says that the embryo is a life and he wants to protect and respect lives.

    No.

    He thinks that the embryo is a life because of religious reasons like he said "sacred gift from our creator" and the ethics he was holding are religious ethics. Or did you mean burrow of ethics, yeah they also believed it was sacred life and should be preserved because of religious reasons since that's not what scientists stood for at the time and they're not scientists.

    You could say that, that was a religious statement but you can't prove that his beleif of embryo being a life is due to relegion or ethics and since

    I can. He said "sacred gift from our creator" which means that it's a religious belief. He was Christian. Duh

    I don't/can't find anything to prove or oppose this, I would stop arguing against this.

    Man. Do your own research please. It is very known among secularists and scientists that the reason for the ban of funding stem cell research is strictly religious. I was only explaining this to you, it has always been proven


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    @sir-devil i just finished reading the whole liliad. Oh man that was some messed up shit at the end. Those are definitely some feels. I didn't know you only sent me the 1st to 3rd chapter out of like 7 or 8 but now that I'm done i get what you were talking about


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    @sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

    @thestrangest said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

    THAT'S THE ONLY ANTI E.S.C. RESEARCH ANSWERS AND ITS RELIGIOUS=EVERYONE WHO WAS AGAINST STEM CELL RESEARCH WAS USING RELIGIOUS LOGIC

    THEY ARE RELIGIOUS STATEMENTS

    NO FUCKING WAY FOR SECULAR MORALITY TO OPPOSE ESC RESEARCH BECAUSE YOU PRIMARILY NEED TO BELIEVE THE A EMRYO IS A SACRED LIFE FORM WITH A SOUL TO OPPOSE ESC RESEARCH THEREFORE THE ETHICS WAS RELIGIOUS. FUUUUUUUCK. HOW IS THIS NO CLEAR TO YOU

    How many times should I repeat? We are talking about a period almost 20 years ago.

    17 but m'kay

    Back then, it wasn't a widespread knowledge that the embryo can't be considered to be life.

    Oh but it was as evidenced from what Sam Harris wrote in chapter 7 of the end of faith in 2003

    Back then, in this context, Secular ethics is not much different from Religious ethics.

    But it is as evidenced from the sam harris book

    Can't you see the point?!

    No i can't

    Back then, almost everyone thought that the embryo was just a tiny form of the baby and thus, killing it would be similar to killing a baby.

    NO. America is 80% religious people and those are practically the only people that believed that and made scientists listen to their bullshit and obey their superstition when they resulted in the ban of government funding.... as evidenced in the sam harris book

    I will repeat again, it was not a widespread knowledge that embryo can't be considered to be a baby.

    Amongst scientists and secularists it definitely was

    To have that thought, one doesn't need to think that baby has a soul

    But religious people did and that's why the ban was passed as evidenced of the description of both sides you watched and the "sacred gift from our creator" comment from G. Bush

    he just needs to look at that as a tiny baby.

    And still think that it has a soul. Religious people thought all simple forms of human life have souls from embryos to even some religious people thinking that sperm and eggs have souls today.

    He thinks that the embryo is a life because of religious reasons like he said "sacred gift from our creator" and the ethics he was holding are religious ethics. Or did you mean burrow of ethics, yeah they also believed it was sacred life and should be preserved because of religious reasons since that's not what scientists stood for at the time and they're not scientists.

    Like I said, I don't have anything on bush's statement

    I'll just understand this as you agreeing with me because you wrote that badly

    Do your own research please. It is very known among secularists and scientists that the reason for the ban of funding stem cell research is strictly religious. I was only explaining this to you, it has always been proven

    I have shown you stuff that proved my point that ban was not strictly due to religion. Here's more

    NO YOU HAVEN'T

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2726839/
    http://www.pewforum.org/2008/07/17/stem-cell-research-at-the-crossroads-of-religion-and-politics/

    What are these links and how do they prove what you said. If you don't quote the parts you are referencing as i did then they don't prove shit because i won't bother opening them


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    @thestrangest said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

    @sir-devil i just finished reading the whole liliad. Oh man that was some messed up shit at the end. Those are definitely some feels. I didn't know you only sent me the 1st to 3rd chapter out of like 7 or 8 but now that I'm done i get what you were talking about

    It was my first 4chan feels thread


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