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  • @sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

    @thestrangest I knew what I was saying in the beginning. I didn't needed to reaseach about the suicidal rates nor the condition of mars.

    What. "I didn't needed"?


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    @sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

    @thestrangest I knew what I was saying in the beginning. I didn't needed to reaseach about the suicidal rates nor the condition of mars.

    I meant a debate on stem cell research


  • @thestrangest and did you knew about the article or the doctors who opposed it.


  • @sir-devil of course not. I read that after you told me


  • @thestrangest and if you didn't knew about it completely, why bring that up?
    You were the one to bring that topic up. I didn't know much about it. What? Should I have accepted what you said, instead of doing my research to find if you are wrong? Are you suggesting that?


  • @sir-devil So, you can do such things but I can't???
    NIce, very nice.


  • @sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

    @thestrangest and if you didn't knew about it completely, why bring that up?

    Because i know that stem cell research was hugely held back by religion as i read that in books previous to this debate but didn't know the details of the whole story

    You were the one to bring that topic up. I didn't know much about it. What? Should I have accepted what you said

    I thought that everyone knew about it. It is a very well known thing from what i remember. I still think it is a very known topic atleast in the US. I forgot where you're from

    instead of doing my research to find if you are wrong? Are you suggesting that?

    You should have done research without asking me to explain stuff to you. The videos were plenty for you to start. I seriously thought you were pretending not to know about stem cell research being held back by religion


  • @thestrangest Are we going back to the same thing again?
    I have already argued against that using the article for that time period.
    Why are you repeating yourself?


  • @thestrangest That thing was finished a long ago. I showed that although Religion actively opposed the research, they were not responsible for that ban, which was the prime example you cited.


  • @sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

    @thestrangest That thing was finished a long ago. I showed that although Religion actively opposed the research, they were not responsible for that ban, which was the prime example you cited.

    THEY WERE. That's what I'm still saying


  • @thestrangest and I asked you to show a evidence proving that instead of some video about a scientist explaining the ideology behind the religious people involved in the ban and not explain why religion was the primary reason behind the ban.
    You made the statement and you have the burden of proof.


  • @sir-devil I am going to say this one more time. DO you have any proper evidence against my argument or something of significance to add to this argument?

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    @sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

    @thestrangest and I asked you to show a evidence proving that instead of some video about a scientist explaining the ideology behind the religious people involved in the ban and not explain why religion was the primary reason behind the ban.

    George Bush was religious. The only/most used arguments against the research are religious. G. Bush took the side of the religious people on the 2 questions he wanted to answer to make the ban which is that embryos are human life whilst atheists and scientists even back then said that they were not. Do I have to continue or recite the info I already gave about this

    You made the statement and you have the burden of proof.

    I already provided proof


  • @sir-devil this is boring man


  • @sir-devil sorry I didn't write that correctly. I just edited it


  • @thestrangest Ah... again are we. First I asked a proper evidence. Like something that has some credibility like an article or something not some speculations from your side. I presented one that in his speech he just included religion as one of the reason and for the reminder he said things that were in the favor of "Ethicist" who are not the same as religious people. Although the statements of "Ethicist" were similar to religious people, they are not one and the same. I need you to provide something that can explicitly prove this wrong, can you?


  • @thestrangest FINALLY.


  • @thestrangest but not for me, lol! I'm enjoying this. Haha

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    @sir-devil said in Depression and anti-social issues. We all need help.:

    @thestrangest Ah... again are we. First I asked a proper evidence.

    Which I didn't want to re-recite but instead referenced and asked if I really need to re-recite them

    Like something that has some credibility like an article or something not some speculations from your side.

    Sure I'll reproved them

    I presented one that in his speech he just included religion as one of the reason and for the reminder he said things that were in the favor of "Ethicist" who are not the same as religious people.

    Same shit. He means the ethical question of weather an embryo is human life or not which has a religious answer that is anti-research

    Although the statements of "Ethicist" were similar to religious people

    THEY ARE RELIGIOUS STATEMENTS

    they are not one and the same.

    They are

    I need you to provide something that can explicitly prove this wrong, can you?

    I hope what I wrote here is enough.

    George Bush says in his speech:

    "The speech began with a description of stem cell research and the debate surrounding it. It pointed to ethical concerns pondered by scientists and by parents who want to help their children, or who want to have children; recognized widespread religious debate; and noted that there is disagreement even between people sharing the same faith. Bush described the current state of stem cell research by identifying the source of embryos preferred by scientists, namely excess embryos left over after couples attempt in vitro fertilization (IVF). Some of these extra embryos are frozen, he said, some implanted in mothers, and some donated to science for research."
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    "In considering these ethical concerns, Bush continued, two key ethical questions must be addressed. First, do embryos qualify as human life, and second, if embryos are going to be destroyed anyway why shouldn’t they be used for the greater good?"
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    NOT FROM THE ARTICLE ABOUT GEORGE BUSH AND HIS SPEACH : Sam Harris wrote a book published in 2004. 3 years after the G. Bush speech and explains in chapter 7.1 as he did in the video how religious people consider an embryo to be a form of human life or at least be sacred and that atheists and scientists of course did not at the time (he was writing this in 2003 which is close enough to the George B. Signing and therefore explains the views of both sides in that time)

    Pages of chapter 7.1 CONTAIN THE SAME SHIT AS THE VIDEO

    Link to the book:

    https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.popeye-x.com/downloads/other/Sam.Harris.-.The.End.of.Faith.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjomsDzt5vZAhXDOhQKHS1eCB4QFjAAegQIDxAB&usg=AOvVaw3vdRTGmdwrxxCWxtxmOjHQ
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    From the article:

    "Regarding the first question, he said, one scientist had told him that a five-day-old cluster is not even a real embryo, but is actually a pre-embryo, not deserving to be called life because it cannot develop on its own. On the other hand, an ethicist with whom Bush had spoken argued that because all human life has humble beginnings, embryos deserve protection as what the ethicist referred to as the seeds of the next generation."
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    "It is important to note that the desire to protect human life as cited by Bush would not be an issue if some did not think embryos qualify as a type of human life."
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    "These statements were intended, however, to show comprehension of the ramifications of restricting federal funding for research on embryos, not support for funding research on human embryos. Here Bush finally stated his belief that life is a “sacred gift from our Creator,” and that he feels compelled to promote protection of and respect for life. Not wanting to completely eliminate potential benefits that could arise from research, he enjoined scientists to proceed with caution. He then outlined a compromise intended to allow for scientific advances without sponsoring the crossing of ethical lines with tax dollars."

    The things that George Bush said came from here

    https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/president-george-w-bushs-announcement-stem-cells-9-august-2001